Qatar VS NZ Abandonment

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LA-KINGS

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has anybody seen/read about this - quite strange - a Qatar player was given a fee kick - little contact and the NZ Player said something to him - then the Qatar player got up and shouted something at the NZ player which made quite a few players suddenly look at the ref and then demand action - was just before half time and NZ refused to come out for the second half claiming that the comment was racial and the referee refused to act.
now everybody is no doubt scrambling for their own good - the ref is claiming not to have heard, and the Qatar player is claiming he was racially abused and not the other way round.
I know it is unacceptable but to abandon a game on being called a name seems over the top - could set a bad president - views ?
 
LA-KINGS said:
has anybody seen/read about this - quite strange - a Qatar player was given a fee kick - little contact and the NZ Player said something to him - then the Qatar player got up and shouted something at the NZ player which made quite a few players suddenly look at the ref and then demand action - was just before half time and NZ refused to come out for the second half claiming that the comment was racial and the referee refused to act.
now everybody is no doubt scrambling for their own good - the ref is claiming not to have heard, and the Qatar player is claiming he was racially abused and not the other way round.
I know it is unacceptable but to abandon a game on being called a name seems over the top - could set a bad president - views ?
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There is a danger that stating “being called a name” is downplaying it. If racist abuse has occurred then they are correct to make a stand. Something needs to be done as current measures are not tackling the problem.
 
You should not stop or abandon a game because of name calling.
Now, that doesn't make name calling, racist or other right.
There is audio of the abuse Zidane too prior to his sending off in a World cup final ...did anything happen to Materazzi? Zidane shouldn't have taken the law into his own hands. No player should. I wonder how much abuse Zidane took in that game to finally crack?
When I played football name calling to wind your opponent up was common, more than common if that's possible. It still happens now. Some of it was harsh.
It was used to try to gain an advantage against your opponent, cricketers call it sledging.
If you're weak enough to let it get under your skin or into your head then that's your problem.
As my username suggests, I have Ginger hair.
Because I'm different I have had dogs abuse all of my life, some of it was good natured banter some downright vitriolic abuse.
Change the prefix black for the word ginger and it's acceptable. I've, you fat Ginger cnut.
Oi you ginger tosser.....is that ok? Well seemingly it is.
I was called names from as early as I can remember.
I was told by my mum to ignore it which I did. Rather than use it as an excuse to complain I used it as a motivation to be a better player than my opponent.
If there is evidence of racial abuse it should absolutely be dealt with but unless an official has heard anything then the authorities MUST deal with it after the game with SEVERE consequences for those found guilty, not the players in the pitch.
It's the authorities who are weak and need to take a lead and make a stand.
The authorities run the game, not the players.
 
Opens it up for a team to be losing at half time and falsley claiming something happened or blowing something out of proportion on purpose.
 
I hope somebody comes out and says what was actually said that was viewed so bad. The kiwi is of Samoan heritage. I am not sure how much a Qatari would know of Samoan culture. The Qatari player is of Darker skin so I cannot imagine reference just to skin colour. I have Samoan mates..maybe he told him he dances like a Pakiha (white fella)
 
FIFA have explicitly said that the players should stand up to racism in all forms.

That's exactly what the NZ players have done (and they were winning at the time).

It's not name-calling, and even if it was, why should that be acceptable?

Just because it's gone on in the past doesn't make it right. If that was the case we'd still be drowning witches.
 
It's up to the authorities to take action against racial abuse not the players. If the report is true New Zealand has gone down in my estimation and I'll just see a bunch of big soft arses when they stand there doing the haka.
 
Try playing in Newcastle when not a Geordie; you get called all the names under the sun (Lancashire accent is considered 'posh' in these parts).
 
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Cuthbert said:
Try playing in Newcastle when not a Geordie; you get called all the names under the son (Lancashire accent is considered 'posh' in these parts).
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The examples quoted, and I'm just using @Cuthbert as an example, condone abusive behaviour. Where does it stop and go beyond the pale?
 
Wizaard said:
FIFA have explicitly said that the players should stand up to racism in all forms.

That's exactly what the NZ players have done (and they were winning at the time).

It's not name-calling, and even if it was, why should that be acceptable?

Just because it's gone on in the past doesn't make it right. If that was the case we'd still be drowning witches.
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It's deciding at times what is racial and what isn't. Some stuff is obvious, some isn't.
An example I'll give you is 2 weeks ago a white team mate of mine pulled out of a challenge and the striker dived. My team mate called him a cheeky Monkey in what he believes was a friendly/laughing way. The striker was Chinese and took offense and now this is at the stage of the league sending letters and incident forms and so on.
Turns out the white guy is married to a Chinese lady and the children are/look Chinese. This seems to have softened the stance as he has said he calls his own kids cheeky little monkeys. I do imagine if his family were non Asian I.E Black or white, it would be taken further in regards to bans/fines etc.
To me it seems over the top if the game was abandoned/club fined or player banned.
I'm English playing in Australasia... I'd be in a lot of abandoned games if I took offence every time I was called a Pommie C haha..
I'd rather get on with it and play the game as opposed to having to pack up and travel back etc.
 
Cuthbert said:
Try playing in Newcastle when not a Geordie; you get called all the names under the son (Lancashire accent is considered 'posh' in these parts).
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Just say sorry I don't understand what you said. I don't speak Scottish. That will make them laugh or kick u mate...
 
tommytwojags said:
It's up to the authorities to take action against racial abuse not the players. If the report is true New Zealand has gone down in my estimation and I'll just see a bunch of big soft arses when they stand there doing the haka.
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How can the authorities take action of the players don't mention it? The first line has to be the players.
 
Wizaard said:
How can the authorities take action of the players don't mention it? The first line has to be the players.
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The players can mention it and the authorities take the appropriate action. Pretty much what happens in English football/rugby/cricket.
 
Wizaard said:
Yes, and that's what's happened here.
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... apart from the players kicking off and then NZ refusing to come out for the second half like a bunch of petulant kids.

Imagine if Liverpool, Manu etc arbitrarily decided not to appear for the second half. It could cause a riot and put the safety of the spectators at risk. The incident needs to be investigated and the players charged as appropriate. And NZ should be fined and banned from their next tournament.
 
tommytwojags said:
... apart from the players kicking off and then NZ refusing to come out for the second half like a bunch of petulant kids.

Imagine if Liverpool, Manu etc arbitrarily decided not to appear for the second half. It could cause a riot and put the safety of the spectators at risk. The incident needs to be investigated and the players charged as appropriate. And NZ should be fined and banned from their next tournament.
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A Liverpool/Man U riot?

Is that when loads of people around the planet kick in their television screens and trash their own front rooms?
 
tommytwojags said:
... apart from the players kicking off and then NZ refusing to come out for the second half like a bunch of petulant kids.

Imagine if Liverpool, Manu etc arbitrarily decided not to appear for the second half. It could cause a riot and put the safety of the spectators at risk. The incident needs to be investigated and the players charged as appropriate. And NZ should be fined and banned from their next tournament.
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Why should they have to put up with racist abuse because the referee didn't act on it?
 
Wizaard said:
Why should they have to put up with racist abuse because the referee didn't act on it?
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Because those are the rules. National team managers, and even less players, have no right to take matters into their own hands to abandon a game. It would be a completely mad world if every club that decided it's players had been abused pulled the plug and went home half way through. Dealing with that kind of incident is the role of governing bodies.
 
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Wizaard said:
The examples quoted, and I'm just using @Cuthbert as an example, condone abusive behaviour. Where does it stop and go beyond the pale?
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It does not Condone, how on earth do you come up with that interpretation? especially as the abuse has been directed at me! Get a grip please and stop being so pious. I really think you need to be careful on this one as my own family have been subject to racial abuse and physical attacks in recent years because of the colour of their skin (have yours?). I don't like the way you express matters and evidently want to be some type of 'know all', fine but don't point fingers and seek to be some type of saint.
 
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