put yourself in simon sadlers position

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alanm

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a fan but also a businessman
his vision is and was to make bfc self sufficient
he wants to be supportive to his managers but think since he has been the owner how much money has been wasted where we have spent money
nuttall hardie dale etc not his fault poor recruitment
maybe only jerry yates and expiteta could turn a profit in truth cant remember if we paid for marv
free transfers have at least given value for salary overall
for long term he wants to see players come through system none have to date though some look promising development squad doing well
huge investment needed for training ground which by definition will only show long term benefits
again money needed for east stand which of course wouldnt be needed if relegated
he appoints a manger with long term in mind someone who can develop players in critchley critchley moves on we get compensation so more instability
up to that point virtually no criticism headed in simons direction

at some stage it was always going to happen
he would make a decision that was unpopular he appoints michael appleton
a modern day manager has to be pr aware
needs to say the right things at the right time
think what olly was like positive /funny/challenge status quo
appleton gets a lot of stick but i actually think he is an ok coach a manager he isnt
fans werent pleased with appointment and as season has gone on perception has worsened
simon has backed him with some key signings
the mood picks up for 3 days then we lose at watford
appleton cant win damned if he does and damned if he doesnt
simon is at heart loyal and has a good team around him

reality is they must discuss appletons future
i am sure he will be given at least another month
however it is a ticking time bomb

simons natural instinct is to look to the long term
fans instinct is always short term
championship survival is crucial for long term structure and finance

so real question is this if in simons position do you make change now
 
If they fail to beat Huddersfield then it’s time for Appleton to go.

A bit like when we faced Leyton Orient in 2006.
A disastrous start and Simon was in last chance saloon.
We won 3-1 and the rest is history.
 
alanm said:
a fan but also a businessman
his vision is and was to make bfc self sufficient
he wants to be supportive to his managers but think since he has been the owner how much money has been wasted where we have spent money
nuttall hardie dale etc not his fault poor recruitment
maybe only jerry yates and expiteta could turn a profit in truth cant remember if we paid for marv
free transfers have at least given value for salary overall
for long term he wants to see players come through system none have to date though some look promising development squad doing well
huge investment needed for training ground which by definition will only show long term benefits
again money needed for east stand which of course wouldnt be needed if relegated
he appoints a manger with long term in mind someone who can develop players in critchley critchley moves on we get compensation so more instability
up to that point virtually no criticism headed in simons direction

at some stage it was always going to happen
he would make a decision that was unpopular he appoints michael appleton
a modern day manager has to be pr aware
needs to say the right things at the right time
think what olly was like positive /funny/challenge status quo
appleton gets a lot of stick but i actually think he is an ok coach a manager he isnt
fans werent pleased with appointment and as season has gone on perception has worsened
simon has backed him with some key signings
the mood picks up for 3 days then we lose at watford
appleton cant win damned if he does and damned if he doesnt
simon is at heart loyal and has a good team around him

reality is they must discuss appletons future
i am sure he will be given at least another month
however it is a ticking time bomb

simons natural instinct is to look to the long term
fans instinct is always short term
championship survival is crucial for long term structure and finance

so real question is this if in simons position do you make change now
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Yes, I'd sack him now, he's very very lucky not to have been, not many managers could stay in a job with his recent record. He's not building anything, there's no visible long term planning, it's just (non) reactive management.

Grayson was sacked for the same reasons and with a better record.
 
alanm said:
a fan but also a businessman
his vision is and was to make bfc self sufficient
he wants to be supportive to his managers but think since he has been the owner how much money has been wasted where we have spent money
nuttall hardie dale etc not his fault poor recruitment
maybe only jerry yates and expiteta could turn a profit in truth cant remember if we paid for marv
free transfers have at least given value for salary overall
for long term he wants to see players come through system none have to date though some look promising development squad doing well
huge investment needed for training ground which by definition will only show long term benefits
again money needed for east stand which of course wouldnt be needed if relegated
he appoints a manger with long term in mind someone who can develop players in critchley critchley moves on we get compensation so more instability
up to that point virtually no criticism headed in simons direction

at some stage it was always going to happen
he would make a decision that was unpopular he appoints michael appleton
a modern day manager has to be pr aware
needs to say the right things at the right time
think what olly was like positive /funny/challenge status quo
appleton gets a lot of stick but i actually think he is an ok coach a manager he isnt
fans werent pleased with appointment and as season has gone on perception has worsened
simon has backed him with some key signings
the mood picks up for 3 days then we lose at watford
appleton cant win damned if he does and damned if he doesnt
simon is at heart loyal and has a good team around him

reality is they must discuss appletons future
i am sure he will be given at least another month
however it is a ticking time bomb

simons natural instinct is to look to the long term
fans instinct is always short term
championship survival is crucial for long term structure and finance

so real question is this if in simons position do you make change now
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The real question is, whatever happened to capital letters and full stops? And apostrophes. They have their uses in sentences.
 
Why wait until Huddersfield, he’s shown he do choose the right players, for his formation, he’s shown he won’t change and beef up the midfield. Nothing is going to change against Huddersfield.
 
alanm said:
a fan but also a businessman
his vision is and was to make bfc self sufficient
he wants to be supportive to his managers but think since he has been the owner how much money has been wasted where we have spent money
nuttall hardie dale etc not his fault poor recruitment
maybe only jerry yates and expiteta could turn a profit in truth cant remember if we paid for marv
free transfers have at least given value for salary overall
for long term he wants to see players come through system none have to date though some look promising development squad doing well
huge investment needed for training ground which by definition will only show long term benefits
again money needed for east stand which of course wouldnt be needed if relegated
he appoints a manger with long term in mind someone who can develop players in critchley critchley moves on we get compensation so more instability
up to that point virtually no criticism headed in simons direction

at some stage it was always going to happen
he would make a decision that was unpopular he appoints michael appleton
a modern day manager has to be pr aware
needs to say the right things at the right time
think what olly was like positive /funny/challenge status quo
appleton gets a lot of stick but i actually think he is an ok coach a manager he isnt
fans werent pleased with appointment and as season has gone on perception has worsened
simon has backed him with some key signings
the mood picks up for 3 days then we lose at watford
appleton cant win damned if he does and damned if he doesnt
simon is at heart loyal and has a good team around him

reality is they must discuss appletons future
i am sure he will be given at least another month
however it is a ticking time bomb

simons natural instinct is to look to the long term
fans instinct is always short term
championship survival is crucial for long term structure and finance

so real question is this if in simons position do you make change now
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One thing for sure .. we go down and he doesn’t need to splash out on a new stand as it won’t be needed !😞
 
What do you mean "Appleton cant win dammed if he does dammed if he doesnt"?
He's under pressure because we haven't won in ten games, if "he does" and wins the next ten all will be forgiven.
His position is of his own making, ok he inherited a squad of players he didn't bring in but they were here when he took the job. Players played out of position is his own doing, playing Gary Madine as a lone striker is his decision.
He certainly isn't dammed if he does.
 
The only real Fan on that board is BG. Mr Sadler has spent the majority of his life outside of the UK. Yes, he supports Blackpool, but he no longer knows the Town.

We've had money for Critch
Money for Bowler.

We have yet no planning permission through to start construction of the new training ground as of yet? Correct me if I'm wrong.

My view is.. a successful football team brings in revenue and all other things will fall into place with good planning.

Is that the case here?

I'm not convinced at all yet sadly.
 
Victorsponge said:
What do you mean "Appleton cant win dammed if he does dammed if he doesnt"?
He's under pressure because we haven't won in ten games, if "he does" and wins the next ten all will be forgiven.
His position is of his own making, ok he inherited a squad of players he didn't bring in but they were here when he took the job. Players played out of position is his own doing, playing Gary Madine as a lone striker is his decision.
He certainly isn't dammed if he does.
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I wouldn’t know if he’s damned if he does or not, because up until now he hasn’t.
 
If I was in Sadlers position I wouldn’t have hired Appleton in the first place.

If I’d bought the club and inherited this manager who had delivered up the crap performances and results this dour clueless excuse for a manager has, he’d have been gone before the World Cup started.

If I was Sadler right this minute I’d be pressing send on the thanks but no thanks dismissal email.
 
As much as I like to not think this this is my opinion of Mr Sadler and the financial status at Blackpool Football Club.
It seems we are being run as described, as a self sufficienct, sustainable club at this moment in time. Mr Sadler has not been using "his" money to keep us going this season.
We have had 8 million for being a championship club, we got compensation from Ditchley going to Villa (unknown amount but speculation was in the millions) we sold Bowler last minute for reputedly 4 million we signed Appleton on a 4 year deal (4 year deal would mean a much lower annual salary) what have we spent on actual contracted players owned by Blackpool Football Club?
Very very little out of all that money.
The new training ground and East stand is all just speculation, plans are plans - they cost little.
I don't think Mr Sadler has the money to run a championship football club the way it should be, to be competitive, we have to get used to that.
We've been in a similar position not that long ago where we were far from competitive, we were joyous when we escaped that regime but maybe the new one is not all rainbows and roses.
 
alanm said:
a fan but also a businessman
his vision is and was to make bfc self sufficient
he wants to be supportive to his managers but think since he has been the owner how much money has been wasted where we have spent money
nuttall hardie dale etc not his fault poor recruitment
maybe only jerry yates and expiteta could turn a profit in truth cant remember if we paid for marv
free transfers have at least given value for salary overall
for long term he wants to see players come through system none have to date though some look promising development squad doing well
huge investment needed for training ground which by definition will only show long term benefits
again money needed for east stand which of course wouldnt be needed if relegated
he appoints a manger with long term in mind someone who can develop players in critchley critchley moves on we get compensation so more instability
up to that point virtually no criticism headed in simons direction

at some stage it was always going to happen
he would make a decision that was unpopular he appoints michael appleton
a modern day manager has to be pr aware
needs to say the right things at the right time
think what olly was like positive /funny/challenge status quo
appleton gets a lot of stick but i actually think he is an ok coach a manager he isnt
fans werent pleased with appointment and as season has gone on perception has worsened
simon has backed him with some key signings
the mood picks up for 3 days then we lose at watford
appleton cant win damned if he does and damned if he doesnt
simon is at heart loyal and has a good team around him

reality is they must discuss appletons future
i am sure he will be given at least another month
however it is a ticking time bomb

simons natural instinct is to look to the long term
fans instinct is always short term
championship survival is crucial for long term structure and finance

so real question is this if in simons position do you make change now
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Great post.
Thing is we haven’t seen very much of Appleton as a coach or manager.
He seems very technically and tactically naive, has no idea when to make impact substitutions and does not instal confidence at all when he continually stands in his technical (how ironic) area with hands planted firmly in his pockets OR, in milder weather his arms folded.
Didn’t like his appointment at the time and I have seen nothing whatsoever since to convince me that he is a good manager let alone possess the skills or ability to save us.
 
It’s gone on this long you might as wait until Huddersfield now. With the new signings, it will help make Simon’s mind up either way.

The sad thing is we could be without Poveda and Ekpiteta. We aren’t winning without those.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Yes, I'd sack him now, he's very very lucky not to have been, not many managers could stay in a job with his recent record. He's not building anything, there's no visible long term planning, it's just (non) reactive management.

Grayson was sacked for the same reasons and with a better record.
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And I think Grayson was sacked around this time of year as well.
 
I’m not in the know here but was told on good authority that SS is awaiting Paulco’s most considered musing before taking the next step either way!
 
I’d have a bit more sympathy if he actually looked and acted bothered. Stood there like a Taylor’s dummy, sipping water with your hands in your pocket and rolling out the same post match drivel each game doesn't instil confidence! In fact it’s pissing the majority of fans off.
We just don’t look like a team and it’s the Managers job to ensure that we do.
 
Is there any way back for him? Is he going to suddenly change to a manager that is more pragmatic and know when to make substitutions? Is he ever going to lose the chip on his shoulder and develop some charisma? The answer is no, he should have been potted weeks ago.
 
Appleton needs to be sacked to give us any hope of staying up. I have defended Sadler today and think that we do need to stay appreciative of him buying the club and putting his hard earned money in.

The only thing that does bewilder me is why on earth he appointed Appleton in the first place. Sadler is a fan and I didn't hear from any other fan that they wanted Appleton. Taking the emotion out of it and thinking as purely logically as possible about the decision and even then it is a struggle. League one manager that was out of work and finished 17th in his last season at Lincoln. Never done it in the Championship.

Hopefully he gets rid soon and we can get back on track.
 
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alanm said:
a fan but also a businessman
his vision is and was to make bfc self sufficient
he wants to be supportive to his managers but think since he has been the owner how much money has been wasted where we have spent money
nuttall hardie dale etc not his fault poor recruitment
maybe only jerry yates and expiteta could turn a profit in truth cant remember if we paid for marv
free transfers have at least given value for salary overall
for long term he wants to see players come through system none have to date though some look promising development squad doing well
huge investment needed for training ground which by definition will only show long term benefits
again money needed for east stand which of course wouldnt be needed if relegated
he appoints a manger with long term in mind someone who can develop players in critchley critchley moves on we get compensation so more instability
up to that point virtually no criticism headed in simons direction

at some stage it was always going to happen
he would make a decision that was unpopular he appoints michael appleton
a modern day manager has to be pr aware
needs to say the right things at the right time
think what olly was like positive /funny/challenge status quo
appleton gets a lot of stick but i actually think he is an ok coach a manager he isnt
fans werent pleased with appointment and as season has gone on perception has worsened
simon has backed him with some key signings
the mood picks up for 3 days then we lose at watford
appleton cant win damned if he does and damned if he doesnt
simon is at heart loyal and has a good team around him

reality is they must discuss appletons future
i am sure he will be given at least another month
however it is a ticking time bomb

simons natural instinct is to look to the long term
fans instinct is always short term
championship survival is crucial for long term structure and finance

so real question is this if in simons position do you make change now
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Yes of course you do and you start sounding out potential replacements 6-8 weeks ago. I was told they did at least look at options and as Mansford himself said after Quitchley legged it, you have to have a ‘succession plan.’ I’d be horrified if they hadn’t done so as this appointment was doomed from the off which begs the question why him in the first place. A club like ours (all clubs really) but a club like ours which has been through the mill and effectively lost virtually all its fan base for 4 years, needs a manager who identifies and connects with the supporters. Critchley did but decided making Slippy G’s brews was a better option for him. Michael Appleton has always been an awkward joyless individual, having spent a small amount of time in his company when he was here first time, I can absolutely vouch for the fact that he genuinely isn’t a people person at all. When I was told 3 days before it was announced that it was going to be him, my heart and spirits sank, not because he walked out 10 years ago, but because it was obvious that he would never unite our fan base and also that his CV isn’t impressive and neither his the style of play. He was Sadler’s undisputed first choice too, which terrified me then and it obviously does still. Appleton will take us down … if he’s allowed to. Where are the 8 required wins coming from. There’s clearly no guarantee that a replacement would save us, far from it, I actually think that we’re screwed anyway unless they miraculously find a combination of 3/4 more additions plus a better manager, but a manager who the fan base can buy into should be recruited ASAP and kept regardless of the division we’re in come the Summer.
Please Simon, act now and correct your horrendous mistake.
 
Load of namby pamby nonsense the O/P

If I were Sadler I would never have bought the club in the first place, what the fuck were you thinking, total madness. Too inexperienced and on a whim, was it love for the club or a vanity project?

I wouldn't have appointed Grayson, Quitchley or Appleton, all as dull as dishwater and he was able to drift on the crest of the fall of the stains but instead of grabbing the opportunity and making the good time feelings continue he made far too many naive mistakes and we are where we are now,

If I was Sadler, I would have employed Evo from the start but he didn't. If I was Sadler now I would pot Appleton tomorrow and get on the blower to Ollie and Thommo and get them back at the club immediately. Promote Dobbie to a first team coach and come out and say you have made mistakes and you are going to put them right.

If I was Sadler I would reduce walk in prices to £20 next season, not £30 and some membership scheme. Supporters are financially fucked at the moment and it's Blackpool FFS,not Chelsea!

Pot Mansford and get a real football man in as CEO and back the manager with players, not just a load of kids who may or may not make it and make a big profit. We need experience and we need to sign our own players not 7 loan players!

Keeping Appleton will mean certain relegation, can't he see and feel the unrest in the crowd? He should never ever have been employed, never! I have never witnessed such an underlying hatred of a manager as I did yesterday, it was horrible and it is only going to get worse.
 
I'll start by saying he's got a lot right and I'm sure still wants to do a lot.

But he's made 2 very odd manager choices for sure, this last one was an obvious error, just so obviously wrong at the time, would never unite fans and the feelgood evaporated almost immediately, all for a guy who hasn't done much, we had before and was disliked.

I don't understand how a fan can make such a misjudgement, none of us on here would have gone for him, it would have been pretty easy to keep things going and also easy to fill the stadium with more reasonable prices.

Yes maximise revenue where possible but also its got to be more affordable for the fans in the area. We've got to put more effort into filling it and growing for the future. Plus we've seen what having more fans can do at home cheering us and with the atmosphere rocking. It intimidates teams and pushes our players on. Without a doubt would help us achieve better results and therefore stay up easier, so even if the lower price higher attendance model brings in a bit less revenue, it'll probably help us earn more if we stay up.
 
Steve Thompson is the man who can coach training, set a team up, read play and see strategy during a match.
Frankly, the manager can do what he likes with motivational stuff, and the D-of-F can sign who he likes, but Thommo is the man to get results. Twas always thus.

That is who we have been missing for many years. Forget Holloway, Evatt, Adam, Dobbie or whoever. For the moment.
Keep the manager, or replace him. But get Thommo back.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Steve Thompson is the man who can coach training, set a team up, read play and see strategy during a match.
Frankly, the manager can do what he likes with motivational stuff, and the D-of-F can sign who he likes, but Thommo is the man to get results. Twas always thus.

That is who we have been missing for many years. Forget Holloway, Evatt, Adam, Dobbie or whoever. For the moment.
Keep the manager, or replace him. But get Thommo back.
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Don't go back. Haven't we learnt our lesson?
It doesn't work we went back for Grayson then Appleton and its proven us to be both bad appointments.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Steve Thompson is the man who can coach training, set a team up, read play and see strategy during a match.
Frankly, the manager can do what he likes with motivational stuff, and the D-of-F can sign who he likes, but Thommo is the man to get results. Twas always thus.

That is who we have been missing for many years. Forget Holloway, Evatt, Adam, Dobbie or whoever. For the moment.
Keep the manager, or replace him. But get Thommo back.
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And yet he’s only head of recruitment or something at Oldham . Strange .
 
JJpool said:
I'll start by saying he's got a lot right and I'm sure still wants to do a lot.

But he's made 2 very odd manager choices for sure, this last one was an obvious error, just so obviously wrong at the time, would never unite fans and the feelgood evaporated almost immediately, all for a guy who hasn't done much, we had before and was disliked.

I don't understand how a fan can make such a misjudgement, none of us on here would have gone for him, it would have been pretty easy to keep things going and also easy to fill the stadium with more reasonable prices.

Yes maximise revenue where possible but also its got to be more affordable for the fans in the area. We've got to put more effort into filling it and growing for the future. Plus we've seen what having more fans can do at home cheering us and with the atmosphere rocking. It intimidates teams and pushes our players on. Without a doubt would help us achieve better results and therefore stay up easier, so even if the lower price higher attendance model brings in a bit less revenue, it'll probably help us earn more if we stay up.
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This thread is about putting yourself in Simon Sadler's shoes (without using any punctuation). You haven't really done that have you? 😆
 
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SS knew the appointment wasn't going to be a popular one, it was essential we got off to a good start. A poor summer window and cruel injury list have hampered Appleton but he's scored enough own goals with his mystifying selections, formations and tactics, to warrant some of the flak he was receiving before the World Cup break.

I guess the hope was our injuries would clear up and with the extra coaching time we'd see an upturn in performances and with that results. Regardless of how long they decide to stick with Appleton the gaps in the squad needed addressing, if we can bring in another couple, we'll have a squad capable of avoiding the drop.

To be successful in business you obviously need to back your own decisions, you also don't want to go down the slippery slope some owners do and sack managers for fun. I don't think anyone would accuse him of being trigger happy if he does get rid now, 10 league games without a win is enough in its own right but more so are the performances which I firmly believe are being hampered by the manager. The final straw is Appleton's perception of our play, if he thinks that performance against Warford was fine margins, we are royally screwed. Every single stat was in their favour.

The final point is when does Simon see Appleton's tenure as the point of no return, in respect of winning the supporters over? There is really no point continuing to flog the proverbial dead horse. We need to look to the future, can anyone really see Appleton ever being accepted or only ever a few games away from being back to being disliked by fair percentage of our supporters. I know I'm blinkered but I just can't see how keeping Appleton ends well.
 
If Simon doesn’t feel like we do at 14:00 or 17:45 when the team is announced then there’s some kind of blind loyalty to this cretinous so called head coach. 💩
 
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The Watford game was fine margins. As were many others. Trouble is we are always on the wrong side of the line. He needs to fix that, but has he got the nous?
 
voyeur said:
This thread is about putting yourself in Simon Sadler's shoes (without using any punctuation). You haven't really done that have you? 😆
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I can't for the managers choice, it was an obvious no no. How can I put myself in the shoes of making an obvious mistake that I would not have made.
 
thedevilsadvocate said:
I honestly think he needs to make a statement on his intentions regarding Appleton. If he does that and wants Appleton to see out the season, then the fans are more likely to get behind the team knowing that the negativity isn't going to get rid of him until the season's end.
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Probably doesn’t want to tie himself to that

I wouldn’t

As fans we need to get behind the team as Everton did last season regardless of the manager or board decisions

We can’t effect a change of manager but can feck things up if we don’t support the team

We don’t want to be watching league 1 next season
 
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Have a feeling the Board are still influenced in part by Critchley walking out suddenly on them. They are trying their best not to sack someone in order not to look two-faced.
 
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