Yeah it was quite cathartic doing itEnjoyed that, cathartic.
But why does Sadler have this mindset. I still think he bought the club with the best of intentions admitting he knew nothing about running a football club and it turning into a bit of a nightmare for him.
If the rumours are true, and he reads this board and other social media then I am sure it is going to bother him. If this is the case he should be avoiding social media and just getting on with it.
It’s all gone so flat and boring so quickly after he took over I think that was the last any of us expected and ts really disappointing when we should still be on the crest of a wave. At the end of the day, taking back Critchley was a mistake and it hasn’t worked and isn’t going to work so the best thing he can do is get rid and stop these ridiculous 4 year contracts, after the way Critchley behaved last time I would have given him 12 months and told him prove you are worth longer (I wouldn’t have employed him at all).
Sadler has put a lot of money into the club, particularly in off the field staff and analytical Support and for me we haven’t seen the results from them that merits their cost. The club is also terrible at communicating with the supporters and you feel that Sadler sees the supporters as the enemy and we’re not, but the odd sound bites we do get are defensive and closed or things like the Critchley interview with Sadler which was just cringeworthy, and the dossier business just goes to show all these algorithms and chucking data is just a load of total bollocks and is the same as doing one of these questionnaires in a magazine to find out who your perfect match is. Just get out there and speak to managers, if you want someone like Wellens then go and get him, stop being so “nice” and stop taking on managers who the supporters are obviously going to be unhappy with, don’t fight your supporters, listen to them.
So I would get rid of Critchley, put Debbie in as caretaker with Thommo and Eardley and tell them they have the job until the end of the season but you will be actively looking for a new manager but if they do well between now and the end of the season they will be in with a very strong chance of getting the job permanently. If they don’t then we get a new manager.
I hope soWill it upset Sadler?
Our expectations were a lot less and I don't accept that the Oystons were much better than SS at choosing managers.I think it is crystal clear that there is an absence of experienced football league know how in the building and if we don't change that, nothing will change. The likes of Stephen Dobbie and Neil eardley do have a fair bit of that, as players. But SD turned down the opportunity to work with NC last summer. So we either need to change our head coach, or bring someone in to work with him, which he won't be keen on. Sadler shouldn't just sit on his hands, he was adamant NC was the best man and he needs to accept that he isn't very good at choosing head coaches and find a better way to go about it. Independent dossiers obviously don't work.
The Oystons were actually much better at it. Karl even was, and he hated football and wasn't interested in the football side at all. So it's about instinct, i guess. I reckon it helped that his policy was to break even with zero family investment. It meant everyone knew exactly where we stood and there was no fear of losing money and very little expectation. Holloway reeerse psychologised the whole situation to turn it into a positive. 20 blokes on a windy desolate training pitch with wheelie bins, against the world. With a 5m pot of gold over the rainbow. At the moment, we look capable of beating anyone on our day, even premier league Forest. But we look capable of losing to anybody, on ots of other days. So I think the problem is largely mental, not about team selection or formations. We have a pretty passive group of players, and NC is unable to get them firing on a regular basis. We need more character on the coaching staff, and more character on the grass.
SS has chosen Larry, Critch, Appleton, Mick, Critch. One out of five success rate.Our expectations were a lot less and I don't accept that the Oystons were much better than SS at choosing managers.
Oyston took over 1986/87 promotion 1992 after going through 3 managers.
SS takes over 2019 Promotion couple of years later .
So comparing the timeframes under SS we have been better
"During the long years of Oyston ownership, Blackpool were relegated into the fourth tier in 1990, promoted via the play-offs in 1992,"
Stop comparing SS to OO its not on. Compare the two after 30 years.
Sadler just isn’t a “people person”. I could tell that when all that stuff about his ranty work emails came out and it shows in his selection of managers and also his open letters to fans, and possibly why he is so close to a beige method man like Critchley. He is well meaning and probably is involved in things regularly but from afar via his appointed people but it often doesn’t have the desired effect. He is singularly uncommunicative but also vague.SS is a far better person but he seems to lack judgement.
Agree.Sadler just isn’t a “people person”. I could tell that when all that stuff about his ranty work emails came out and it shows in his selection of managers and also his open letters to fans, and possibly why he is so close to a beige method man like Critchley. He is well meaning and probably is involved in things regularly but from afar via his appointed people but it often doesn’t have the desired effect. He is singularly uncommunicative but also vague.
KOKO was singularly uncommunicative but also very clear with his objectives (money preservation) could be a nice enough bloke when it wasn’t about money or football, and he could spot a disaster or someone who could do something for him easily and by and large left them to it. He had a lot of success that probably wasn’t warranted.
Andy came out with some good points but Raggy stole the show (yet again)
Over 13 years. SS has owned the club less than 5. In the first 5 years the record is comparable. One promotion and one relegation both.KO appointed McMahon, Hendry, Grayson, Parkes, Holloway. 4 out of 5 success rate and a lot of excellent football. Then the club went into meltdown.
I'm not comparing the whole thing, I'm comparing the selection of managers. I'm not saying the oystons were better owners or club managers. I'm saying that karl made a series of good appointments when he took over in spite of his attitude to the fans and the club, and in spite of how he behaved and how he refused to spend on the squad or washing machines or whatever. I'm simply saying he had a better gut feeling for who might make a good head coach for the club than SS seems to have. On other criteria, SS wins hands down. It's possible that his fear of seeing millions of pounds evaporate feeds into his 'safe' approach that keeps backfiring. We've oonly done well for one spell since he took over, under one coach. He seems totally averse to appointing any sort of unknown quantity, of assessing whether they may have the skills and personality to succeed. KO didn't worry about that and mad some good calls on a gut basis, I think. I'm sorry if that offends you or anybody else.Over 13 years. SS has owned the club less than 5. In the first 5 years the record is comparable. One promotion and one relegation both.
No probable with comparisons as long as they are fair.
Dont just jump on this bandwagon that Oystons were good at appointing managers and SS isnt. Think about what you are saying and back it up properly you cant just cherrypick.
The Oystons appointed plenty of duds and SS has appointed a few too. When he's been in charge as long as them you can compare properly.
Has anyone checked on GriceyI think Andy is still sat there on his sofa ranting at a blank screen.
I didn't know it was Andy Grice, I thought it was Mark E Smith from the Fall (RIP)!!Has anyone checked on Gricey
Ok we've now gone from the Oystons to just Karl Oyston.I'm not comparing the whole thing, I'm comparing the selection of managers. I'm not saying the oystons were better owners or club managers. I'm saying that karl made a series of good appointments when he took over in spite of his attitude to the fans and the club, and in spite of how he behaved and how he refused to spend on the squad or washing machines or whatever. I'm simply saying he had a better gut feeling for who might make a good head coach for the club than SS seems to have. On other criteria, SS wins hands down. It's possible that his fear of seeing millions of pounds evaporate feeds into his 'safe' approach that keeps backfiring. We've oonly done well for one spell since he took over, under one coach. He seems totally averse to appointing any sort of unknown quantity, of assessing whether they may have the skills and personality to succeed. KO didn't worry about that and mad some good calls on a gut basis, I think. I'm sorry if that offends you or anybody else.
Yepis the podcast still streamed on You Tube?
5 managers each seems a fair comparison to me. The oystons were terrible - try to understand what i am saying. It certainly isn't that the oystons were better than SS. But SS has been very poor so far in terms of appointments. If he doesn't improve he will lose a lot more money and we will wallow in L1 feeling more frustrated.Ok we've now gone from the Oystons to just Karl Oyston.
Lets look at that then .
Karl Oyston became chairman in 1999.
Appoints Steve McMahon 1999 we get relegated and then we get promoted 2004 McMahon leaves.
Same period of ownership SS takes over 2019 -2024 . One relegation one promotion.
Why is Karl Oyston so much better at appointing Managers ?
Nothing what you have said has offended me personally i just think its unfair to compare SS to KO even if its on the very narrow issue of managers . SS hasnt had as much time which is why the comparison is unfair.
See the OP!is the podcast still streamed on You Tube?
Well said. I agree with all you and Raggy ( on podcast) said. An extra ( valid) point made was that we are not hearing from Mr Sadler and the good point that a lot of people will not be represented- they probably don’t want to be and therefore meetings should be available to all reva live streamI've just watched the Pod through after an enjoyable Valentine's Day evening, far removed the phhhht feeling hanging in the air from that shambles last night. I agree with Raggy's summary of the Fan engagement meeting, which was a strange affair indeed. There is a lack of excitement and ambition about our great club at the moment that you can touch and feel. It really feels like we are going through the motions. Like for like subs on 70 minutes if you will..... The official minutes didn't reflect a number of things, including the fact that both MSG and BST (yes) voiced a wish to see true and fair representation. This wasn't minuted, but believe me it was said. Let's face it, most fans don't want to be a member of anything. Most fans don't see the need for any organised or even informally constituted group/s to represent their views - unless maybe there is a true crisis to respond to, creating a need circle the wagons - like during the boycott. Do those fans deserve any less of a say in their ambitions for our club? Of course not. We are all Blackpool fans. The unaffiliated might even have the best ideas, but without a voice, those ideas will be lost and existing and future future Blackpool supporters will be lost as people give up and drift away.
After all we've been through, we find ourselves at something of a crossroads as a club. Do we slip back to being comfortable somewhere in the lower reaches of Div 1 or worse, on crowds of 4, 5, 6 or 7 thousand, or do we actually push for where we should be - as stated by the club's representatives at the fan engagement meeting - competing in the upper levels of the Championship? This season has probably slipped away from us, but in it's own way, now is every bit as critical a moment for Blackpool Football Club and its fans as the boycott. We can't just assume everything will be alright. We and the club need to re-find the passion.
my work PC has restricted mode enabled so I cant see the OP screen - just a black block - hence the question5 managers each seems a fair comparison to me. The oystons were terrible - try to understand what i am saying. It certainly isn't that the oystons were better than SS. But SS has been very poor so far in terms of appointments. If he doesn't improve he will lose a lot more money and we will wallow in L1 feeling more frustrated.
McMahon operated in very difficult circumstances - you are still comparing the whole thing, which is not what i am saying. McMahon was a good coach who did a good job in the circumstances. He got us close to the play offs in L1 before he left - I suspect KO was keen for us to stay in L1, and didn't back him when he needed it. We actually saw some good football, and won three times at Wembley in a short space of time, despite all the Oyston tightness and obnoxiousness. Grayson was an excellent appointment, first time - gut instincts from KO, who saw his potenrtial when he was coaching the reserves, doing Dobbie's job.
See the OP!
McMahon - Got us promoted .5 managers each seems a fair comparison to me. The oystons were terrible - try to understand what i am saying. It certainly isn't that the oystons were better than SS. But SS has been very poor so far in terms of appointments. If he doesn't improve he will lose a lot more money and we will wallow in L1 feeling more frustrated.
McMahon operated in very difficult circumstances - you are still comparing the whole thing, which is not what i am saying. McMahon was a good coach who did a good job in the circumstances. He got us close to the play offs in L1 before he left - I suspect KO was keen for us to stay in L1, and didn't back him when he needed it. We actually saw some good football, and won three times at Wembley in a short space of time, despite all the Oyston tightness and obnoxiousness. Grayson was an excellent appointment, first time - gut instincts from KO, who saw his potenrtial when he was coaching the reserves, doing Dobbie's job.
See the OP!
Good post Herts but if it's the Debbie that did Dallas I am all in.put Debbie in as caretaker
I get the feeling there is only one person who makes the decisions at the club, it's more like a Dictatorship!Were we in a better shape when Mansford was here? I think we were. He wasn’t popular with some but we seemed to go downhill after he left. Could it be that he was the driving force?
Great points. We asked for minutes of the meeting to be public and live streaming of future meetings right at the start of the meeting. We got the minutes though our amendments to the club's draft were not included this time. We will see what happens re live streaming and full disclosureWell said. I agree with all you and Raggy ( on podcast) said. An extra ( valid) point made was that we are not hearing from Mr Sadler and the good point that a lot of people will not be represented- they probably don’t want to be and therefore meetings should be available to all reva live stream
I am indeed... And the fact the club have said nothing since the debacle of Tuesday night probably exasperates that rantingI think Andy is still sat there on his sofa ranting at a blank screen.
Regarding Grayson first time round, maybe Koko saw him as a cheap option and just got lucky?5 managers each seems a fair comparison to me. The oystons were terrible - try to understand what i am saying. It certainly isn't that the oystons were better than SS. But SS has been very poor so far in terms of appointments. If he doesn't improve he will lose a lot more money and we will wallow in L1 feeling more frustrated.
McMahon operated in very difficult circumstances - you are still comparing the whole thing, which is not what i am saying. McMahon was a good coach who did a good job in the circumstances. He got us close to the play offs in L1 before he left - I suspect KO was keen for us to stay in L1, and didn't back him when he needed it. We actually saw some good football, and won three times at Wembley in a short space of time, despite all the Oyston tightness and obnoxiousness. Grayson was an excellent appointment, first time - gut instincts from KO, who saw his potenrtial when he was coaching the reserves, doing Dobbie's job.
See the OP!
To some extent certainly, he always went for the cheap option. But he sacked Hendry to appoint Grayson, and I reckon he at least had an inkling he was better suited than Hendry. Like i said before, his whole policy was based on minimum cost and no caring about success, so he could take risks that Sadler seems terrified to make. Some luck involved, no doubt.Regarding Grayson first time round, maybe Koko saw him as a cheap option and just got lucky?
To some extent certainly, he always went for the cheap option. But he sacked Hendry to appoint Grayson, and I reckon he at least had an inkling he was better suited than Hendry. Like i said before, his whole policy was based on minimum cost and no caring about success, so he could take risks that Sadler seems terrified to make. Some luck involved, no doubt.
To some extent certainly, he always went for the cheap option. But he sacked Hendry to appoint Grayson, and I reckon he at least had an inkling he was better suited than Hendry. Like i said before, his whole policy was based on minimum cost and no caring about success, so he could take risks that Sadler seems terrified to make. Some luck involved, no doubt.
Worthington was before Karl. Are we going to wangle Kazball into the avftt lexicon? I'm up for it.To a degree, the psychology of sporting success is about not caring about failure. I love how England play cricket now. It's about chucking away fear and enjoying the game. It's kind of odd to cite Karl in the same breath as a 'bazball' philosophy, but in a perverse way, the fact he wasn't really arsed about anything but balancing the books at all gave a kind of freedom where some success happened.
He did also appoint Worthington (or was that Vicky?) and Hendry and they were some eras of some ** awful football to be honest so lets not give him too much credit.
Worthington was before Karl. Are we going to wangle Kazball into the avftt lexicon? I'm up for it.
I think managers put up with KO cos the flip side of the nonsense was that he had no expectations and left them alone to get on with it, albeit in massively under resourced circumstances! The pressure and hassle of most manager jobs was absent. Think of Macca's carefree total football period. We knew it was the best we could hope for, it was kind of fun, and there was no foul mouthed twitter mob kicking off every time we lost a couple! Holloway clearly thought the regime helped him do his job the way he wanted to. The evil bastard...
To the people sat near me in the South I said our football is like painting by numbers…very structured,boring and not much fun/ Flare…Kazball lol.
There's definitely a sense at the moment that it's not 'fun' - Critch looks irritable and tired. The players look robotic and uninspired.
I think we need someone to go in and go 'Lads, this is a ** football club! - it's mental, we all get paid to do football?! How mad is that? Lets enjoy it for fucks sake. No point moping around with our heads up our arses'
That doesn't mean everyone loses discipline or it's about the squad going on benders or owt. It's just about a culture where we encourage the enjoyment of the game as that encourages all the positive things we want to see in the players. Coaching is great, coaching is important, but players playing with a bit of verve and self determination will always be the best outcome. Right now, I can't see past the coaching. I can't see players making decisions.
Morgan is about the only one I've looked at this year and thought 'he's got noticeably better'