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Dougall

Dougall

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Even if they had won both of their last two games, it still would have been out of their hands mathematically, so Dobbs could only do so much.
He’s certainly done himself no harm, but it will be interesting to see what the club go for. The elephant in the room is Neil Critchley, isn’t it?
We all know the qualities he has, but would that cause too much hassle? His credentials are there for us all to see.
He was adored the last time he was here, he had a real rapport. But I’m not sure if the fans would be receptive to it given the manner of his departure.
The fans never took to Michael Appleton from the start and that made it difficult.
Critchley had his reasons for going, he wanted to go away and better himself. If he came back and hit the ground running I’m sure no-one would be saying anything, but that’s football for you.
It’s an important appointment, but it’s not just a head coach they need though, there’s some other big vacancies behind the scenes that also need filling.
There’s been a few departures recently, Ben Mansford being the big one the other day, so Simon Sadler needs to get someone in to sort it all out. It’s literally rebuilding from the start again.
There’s no reason why they can’t do it though, they’ve done it once before. Sometimes to move forward you have to take a step back.
Monday’s game against Norwich doesn’t mean a great deal. It’s all done for both teams so the pressure is off. Hopefully they can go out and play with a bit of freedom and send the fans home with a victory.
I’m sure Dobbs will be taking it seriously though because he might still have one eye on the job, so he’ll be wanting to win and impress.
 
Dougall said:
I’m sure Dobbs will be taking it seriously though because he might still have one eye on the job, so he’ll be wanting to win and impress.
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Does Brett know something there as surely Dobbs will have both eyes on the job and will want to win for that reason? Maybe they've already appointed?
 
If Barry Ferguson had won the last game of his temporary tenure as boss I believe he would have been offered the job permanently. However it was a 0-3 loss to Charlton who were managed by... Jose Riga.
 
It's hard to believe that this time last year things were looking great. I remember sitting down to have my Sunday dinner and my Nobber brother in law came in grinning like a Cheshire cat and tells me Critchley has left the club. I must admit it made things quite exciting forva short while. Who are we going to get was speculated amongst fans and talk was quite positive despite the manner of Critchleys departure. A year on and the whole season has been one huge headache. From.a club that was on the up to one that was riding on the crest of a slump. Critchleys departure was a curve ball that none of us saw coming and quite honestly was one that we haven't managed to recover from. Personally for me I think the way forward is Stephen Dobbie. It's a totally clean slate and he's a young hungry manager who the supporters respect and like. We know from what we have seen from the games he has been at the helm that he likes his team selections to play attractive attacking football. It is definitely worth giving him a chance. If it fails then it's nothing ventured nothing gained but on the other hand if it's successful it's paper hats and squeakers and we all love a party. UTMP!
 
I know he’s a legend and I’m sure a great bloke Brett but he really does state the obvious in his columns and on commentary doesn’t he. Why doesn’t he stick his neck out and say who should get the job in his opinion??
 
PR3BFC said:
I know he’s a legend and I’m sure a great bloke Brett but he really does state the obvious in his columns and on commentary doesn’t he. Why doesn’t he stick his neck out and say who should get the job in his opinion??
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It's one of them...
 
Hazi said:
He was told to say nothing when he left, shame it’s left everyone thinking he’s a tw@t for not waving on the way out. Take him back in n a heartbeat
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I can help thinking though… are things ever as good the second time around? He had a better squad back then and had a decent number two in McCall…
 
Chunkylad said:
The logic for a Critch return is very clear. The only reason I can see not to have him is the fans have an issue with his departure attitude and actions.
Outside of that why wouldn’t you?
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Yep.

No matter what the reaction to any managerial appointment is, it's results that count, had Appleton actually won a game since October he would have been more popular.
 
Chunkylad said:
The logic for a Critch return is very clear. The only reason I can see not to have him is the fans have an issue with his departure attitude and actions.
Outside of that why wouldn’t you?
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I think we’ve done the previous manager reappointments to death though. Let’s get some new fresh ideas into the club as it’s all gone a bit stale….and if that means looking a Critch-horse in the mouth then I can live with that.
 
Hazi said:
He was told to say nothing when he left, shame it’s left everyone thinking he’s a tw@t for not waving on the way out. Take him back in n a heartbeat
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I think you might bee right about being told to say nowt, which is worrying in itself.
 
Hazi said:
He was told to say nothing when he left, shame it’s left everyone thinking he’s a tw@t for not waving on the way out. Take him back in n a heartbeat
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I can't believe that the Board stopped him from saying
"Thank you BFC for taking a chance on me which has now given me the opportunity to take a job with a PL Club".
Of course they may have gagged him from saying
"I'm leaving because they won't let me sign Cameron Brannagan."
 
Insider said:
I can't believe that the Board stopped him from saying
"Thank you BFC for taking a chance on me which has now given me the opportunity to take a job with a PL Club".
Of course they may have gagged him from saying
"I'm leaving because they won't let me sign Cameron Brannagan."
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FFS he left because he got offered a pot of gold with his buddy.

Whether he was stopped saying anything on the way out or not .... he'd have to eat a large slice of humble pie to get a second shot now for sure.
 
Hazi said:
He was told to say nothing when he left, shame it’s left everyone thinking he’s a tw@t for not waving on the way out. Take him back in n a heartbeat
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that was my take on it at the time. i had a feeling that a non-disclosure agreement (or something similar in principle) may have been part of the t's and c's of the 'transfer' package agreed with villa.

the motivation? possibly BFC's way of 'controlling the narrative'; possibly corporate paranoia to paint NC as the baddie. i think it's fair to say that SS and the rest of BFC would have been as hurt and shell-shocked as the rest of us fans were, and it's entirely possible that this clouded the club's judgment. Not a good PR move for either party as it turned out. Especially if they want him back.

i am speculating, however.
 
Trammo said:
If Barry Ferguson had won the last game of his temporary tenure as boss I believe he would have been offered the job permanently. However it was a 0-3 loss to Charlton who were managed by... Jose Riga.
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I had almost forgotten about Jose. One of the most admired managers even despite results. He seemed promising when appointed. Decent bloke poor manager.
 
voyeur said:
It's worrying how much abuse he's had off the back of it. All a bit Mansford. 😉

I was a big supporter of Critch but I'd rather embrace the new and appoint Dobbie or Wellens, now.
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If SS doesn't want to cut off his nose to spite his face then NC must go on the shortlist. i'd accept him back but i can see both sides of the argument.

Dobs is on the shortlist you would feel. wellens is a must too- some fine work in trying circumstances at swindon and obviously, a promotion with the o's. pete wild could be, ahem, a wildcard - didn't know much about him but found that info on the other thread to be intriguing.

i honestly could envisage NC back with Dobs as his de facto no.2, and ready to step up if it goes belly up. i am a betting man and i think NC at 10/1 is a decent price.

that said, i feel wellens could be the one and i'd be happy if we appointed him or even punted for Dobs too.
 
Is there a world where we might get a new manager who ....

a) hasn't managed us before
b) didn't used to play for us

Maybe?
 
Critchley wouldn’t be my choice, but I’ve no doubt that if he came back it would be with a tinge of regret that he left in the first place.
It won’t be said in football, but a bit of, I will not be leaving again until I’m sacked may appease the baying mob.

Realistically he is prime candidate, due to getting us out of this division, and his stock as a manger quite low currently(not as a coach)

I’d probably go with dobbie, but they have worked together(I think) and maybe that is the way to go.
 
Voice of Reason said:
Is there a world where we might get a new manager who ....

a) hasn't managed us before
b) didn't used to play for us

Maybe?
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it's funny to think that when we appointed allardyce, he was considered to be a left-field appointment at the time - his only experience was managing PNE's kids/reserves and at Limerick, but he was the outstanding candidate at interview. we were all set to appoint someone else (but i can't remember who). maybe we'll be surprised again but i doubt it.
 
Voice of Reason said:
Is there a world where we might get a new manager who ....

a) hasn't managed us before
b) didn't used to play for us

Maybe?
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We tried that a few times under Oyston, Ollie was someone that fit that criteria.

Maybe with Critch the biggest problem was that we failed to get the players he wanted, we had John Stephenson doing the recruiting
with the model to develop players and sell them on, that went out of the window with Appleton and he just went for a load of kids
on loan.

Now was Ben Mansford responsible for hiring John Stephenson, but we seem to ditch that model when Critch left
apart from Lyons. Appleton just signed a load of kids on loan, I know that Nixon has said that if a player goes on loan
they get a development fee if they get a big move in the future. But we seemed to switch from developing our own players to
developing loan players with Appleton. Then it changed again when we the Coventry guys came in and signed older players,
with no development value to try and keep us up.
 
Dougall said:
Even if they had won both of their last two games, it still would have been out of their hands mathematically, so Dobbs could only do so much.
He’s certainly done himself no harm, but it will be interesting to see what the club go for. The elephant in the room is Neil Critchley, isn’t it?
We all know the qualities he has, but would that cause too much hassle? His credentials are there for us all to see.
He was adored the last time he was here, he had a real rapport. But I’m not sure if the fans would be receptive to it given the manner of his departure.
The fans never took to Michael Appleton from the start and that made it difficult.
Critchley had his reasons for going, he wanted to go away and better himself. If he came back and hit the ground running I’m sure no-one would be saying anything, but that’s football for you.
It’s an important appointment, but it’s not just a head coach they need though, there’s some other big vacancies behind the scenes that also need filling.
There’s been a few departures recently, Ben Mansford being the big one the other day, so Simon Sadler needs to get someone in to sort it all out. It’s literally rebuilding from the start again.
There’s no reason why they can’t do it though, they’ve done it once before. Sometimes to move forward you have to take a step back.
Monday’s game against Norwich doesn’t mean a great deal. It’s all done for both teams so the pressure is off. Hopefully they can go out and play with a bit of freedom and send the fans home with a victory.
I’m sure Dobbs will be taking it seriously though because he might still have one eye on the job, so he’ll be wanting to win and impress.
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No
 
Danny Ocean said:
We tried that a few times under Oyston, Ollie was someone that fit that criteria.

Maybe with Critch the biggest problem was that we failed to get the players he wanted, we had John Stephenson doing the recruiting
with the model to develop players and sell them on, that went out of the window with Appleton and he just went for a load of kids
on loan.

Now was Ben Mansford responsible for hiring John Stephenson, but we seem to ditch that model when Critch left
apart from Lyons. Appleton just signed a load of kids on loan, I know that Nixon has said that if a player goes on loan
they get a development fee if they get a big move in the future. But we seemed to switch from developing our own players to
developing loan players with Appleton. Then it changed again when we the Coventry guys came in and signed older players,
with no development value to try and keep us up.
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I don’t think John Stephenson was necessarily doing the recruiting. His background is in setting up academies. We had Tommy Johnson for a time but he left … which seemed to be about the time recruitment started becoming a problem.
 
I'm not bothered who the next manager is. As long as he's successful. If it's Critch fair enough, if it's an ex nobber I'm not bothered. It's all about the results he gets for BFC. Any manager who brings us success should win over the fans no matter what his past history is. Of course, if he fails with us, then he's gonna get criticised and that criticism will be worse because of his past history. That's the nature of football and football fans.
 
I wouldn't grumble at any of: Dobbie, Wellens or Wild.

I just hope the process of picking one is done properly, there has been 4 poor appointment's to 1 good under Sadler's reign. They need to get this one right.
 
Hazi said:
He was told to say nothing when he left, shame it’s left everyone thinking he’s a tw@t for not waving on the way out. Take him back in n a heartbeat
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I don't believe he wasn't allowed to say... 'thanks, I had a great time. This is a special club and your support has meant everything to me'

He would have been told he wasn't allowed to say anything confidential or damaging.
 
Chunkylad said:
The logic for a Critch return is very clear. The only reason I can see not to have him is the fans have an issue with his departure attitude and actions.
Outside of that why wouldn’t you?
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Cos Dobbie plays exciting football, the players clearly get what he's saying and he's the fresh new man now, whereas Critchley is a known quantity on the back of two failed jobs who plays percentages and won't have the advantages he had last time or probably the relationships?
 
Hazi said:
He was told to say nothing when he left, shame it’s left everyone thinking he’s a tw@t for not waving on the way out. Take him back in n a heartbeat
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Thought we lived in a democracy where you can say or do what you want 🤔
 
Trammo said:
If Barry Ferguson had won the last game of his temporary tenure as boss I believe he would have been offered the job permanently. However it was a 0-3 loss to Charlton who were managed by... Jose Riga.
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He wouldn’t. Karl told me in the hospitality lounge weeks before he didn’t fancy him as manager.
 
Chunkylad said:
So that really only leaves Dobbie which I have stated I am in favour of. Any other manager is likely to have failure on their CV.

Holloway came with just that.
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I can't see why ruling the Judas out only leaves Dobbie , but if you say so , I won't argue because I like him. Will he be successful ,I'm not that sure.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Thought we lived in a democracy where you can say or do what you want 🤔
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Not on Coronation Day it seems. Those t-shirt wearers are a danger to society to the Met.
The Met hate big days in London as they see others working but not being paid overtime.
 
20togo said:
I'm not bothered who the next manager is. As long as he's successful. If it's Critch fair enough, if it's an ex nobber I'm not bothered. It's all about the results he gets for BFC. Any manager who brings us success should win over the fans no matter what his past history is. Of course, if he fails with us, then he's gonna get criticised and that criticism will be worse because of his past history. That's the nature of football and football fans.
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Spot on 20’s, the only word you missed out was fickleness.
 
Not much difference between the guy going back to Tranmere and NC going to Villa, people move in football for whatever reason, friendship, money, working conditions combination of all 3.
All for exciting football but I prefer a winning team if they are exciting to watch as well all the better.
 
td53 said:
I don't believe he wasn't allowed to say... 'thanks, I had a great time. This is a special club and your support has meant everything to me'

He would have been told he wasn't allowed to say anything confidential or damaging.
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All it needed was a simple few words either in an interview or on e.g Twitter as Keogh did, l don’t believe anyone would have prevented him doing this in the world we live in today. If he had done this he would be back in place after the Norwich game and we’d all be wetting our beds again!
 
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