Norburn v Virtue

Norburn plays better when one of Virtue, Dougall or Morgan also playing with him. With It looking like Doughal is going, we do need another quality addition.
 
see them as different players. Firstly, i think Norburn is much better technically. Secondly for me Virtue is a box to box player getting up and down the pitch. Norburn is the holding player always making himself available to receive the ball from others and keep the ball ticking over. And yes that is often by a simple square or backwards pass.
 
20togo said:
see them as different players. Firstly, i think Norburn is much better technically. Secondly for me Virtue is a box to box player getting up and down the pitch. Norburn is the holding player always making himself available to receive the ball from others and keep the ball ticking over. And yes that is often by a simple square or backwards pass.
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Spot on.

In certain games or game situations, you might want Virtue as a more forward thinking 6 to carry the ball - but generally, you need a 6 to be able to shield the ball and recieve it and judge whether to turn/spray or recycle. I'm not Norburn's biggest fan, but I think he's a useful player and is getting a bit of stick simply for playing his role.

We've also got to be cautious with Virtue as we do with Lavery as the raw facts are - over a period of time, neither seems able to avoid injury. I want both to be key players - but I can see the danger in nailing the flag to their mast in terms of how we plan.
 
Superbretty said:
I think there was a reason why Peterborough let him go, despite him having been club captain. Critchley brought him in so he is obviously going to play him.
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Norburn wanted to leave. Peterbrough actually held onto him despite the face he put in a transfer request.
 
BWseasider said:
I struggle to see what Norburn has brought to the team to be honest. Open question to people on here who know better than me, what kind of player is he supposed to be and has he been doing it effectively?
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The number six role rarely gets any plaudits unless their a Rodri at Man City.
It's doing the dirty side of the game breaking up play, protecting your centre half's,staring moves by shifting the ball around they rarely get a 8/9 out of ten more a 6/7.

Jay Spearing was our last decent player in the role but for some of our fans they used to get on his back but in certain formations having the number 6 is essential, playing Virtue who is a different type of player wouldn't work as Morgan would end up in the position then you lose his attacking quality.
 
BWseasider said:
I struggle to see what Norburn has brought to the team to be honest. Open question to people on here who know better than me, what kind of player is he supposed to be and has he been doing it effectively?
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He was MOTM for what seemed to be every game until he got injured. Since coming back he hasn’t had the same impact but he’d get in my starting XI every day of the week. Virtue has great energy and an adequate replacement if either Norburn or Morgan are unavailable. I think similar to Gabriel Critch is carefully managing Virtues game time.
 
King Billy said:
Nah not even close. And I’m not even saying Norburns that great he’s just a lot better than Virtue.
Virtue is a bang average league 1 player who if isn’t injured struggles to get into the team anyway.
He come into the fold last season but quickly taken out again because he clearly is nowhere near championship standard.
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Virtue was shipped out to allow Appleton to bring in a bunch of loanee teenagers to run midfield for us.
 
I can just about buy Virtue as a squad player but I dont think hes quite good enough for a first 11 slot every game...he is too slow and injury prone...I still think we need to bring in an upgrade on Dougall to play with Morgan and Norburn
 
tangysider said:
Virtue was shipped out to allow Appleton to bring in a bunch of loanee teenagers to run midfield for us.
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Well yeah, shipped out on loan because better options are brought in. The fact your trying to use their age as a detriment isn’t really relevant.
 
poolseasider said:
The number six role rarely gets any plaudits unless their a Rodri at Man City.
It's doing the dirty side of the game breaking up play, protecting your centre half's,staring moves by shifting the ball around they rarely get a 8/9 out of ten more a 6/7.

Jay Spearing was our last decent player in the role but for some of our fans they used to get on his back but in certain formations having the number 6 is essential, playing Virtue who is a different type of player wouldn't work as Morgan would end up in the position then you lose his attacking quality.
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yep,Norburn is playing te same role as Spearing and before him it was Barry Ferguson. Two players who came in for the same sort of criticism as Norburn is getting.
 
20togo said:
yep,Norburn is playing te same role as Spearing and before him it was Barry Ferguson. Two players who came in for the same sort of criticism as Norburn is getting.
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Maybe I am over critical and maybe there are games which better suit either player.
Virtue in EFL trophy game against Burton gave glimpses of what Virtue can offer, he ran midfield and I think midfield looked strong in that match.
 
tangysider said:
I honestly believe Virtue is a better player than Norburn.
Now he is over his massive injuries and he feels confident again, he is more forward thinking ans stronger in the tackle.
Norburn continually loses a 50 /50 and complains to ref
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i think every central midfielder is better than Norburn. I think you could put Morgan or virtue in that central role and be more effective, from what ive seen of Oakley booth id put him ahead of Norburn. If there is an actual need for a very defensive player connolly would be a better option frankly.

Ive said it before, Norburn seems to be a bit of a destabilizing influence on the team, wouldnt surprise me if Kennys issues are related to Norburns role in the squad.
 
tangysider said:
Maybe I am over critical and maybe there are games which better suit either player.
Virtue in EFL trophy game against Burton gave glimpses of what Virtue can offer, he ran midfield and I think midfield looked strong in that match.
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But Oakley-Booth was the sitter that game not Virtue so why are we trying to compare totally different roles?
 
Costero Poderoso said:
i think every central midfielder is better than Norburn. I think you could put Morgan or virtue in that central role and be more effective, from what ive seen of Oakley booth id put him ahead of Norburn. If there is an actual need for a very defensive player connolly would be a better option frankly.

Ive said it before, Norburn seems to be a bit of a destabilizing influence on the team, wouldnt surprise me if Kennys issues are related to Norburns role in the squad.
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You'd put OB before Norburn.😲
Against Oxford and Fleetwood away he was so bloody awful I'm surprised after those two performances he'd ever get near the first team again.
 
I'd read plenty on here about Norburns poor performances and lack of contribution. I saw him at the first Forest game and - surprise surprise - he was perfectly fine. As someone else says, his role is to sit in front of the defence, offer abd receive the ball and keep it moving until something opens up. That's his role in the set up and it's important he holds his position and with discipline because (in theory) it's good for the balance of the squad.
 
I dont think Norburn really did anything wrong yesterday. He was solid and did his job. At this point it seems that Norburn is this seasons target man for a few to spit some venom at. I dont think he's been as good as what we were expecting, but even when he's has a decent game there's some on here that still want to critises him. It's Turton all over again.
 
20togo said:
see them as different players. Firstly, i think Norburn is much better technically. Secondly for me Virtue is a box to box player getting up and down the pitch. Norburn is the holding player always making himself available to receive the ball from others and keep the ball ticking over. And yes that is often by a simple square or backwards pass.
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I thought the same when reading the op
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
I dont think Norburn really did anything wrong yesterday. He was solid and did his job. At this point it seems that Norburn is this seasons target man for a few to spit some venom at. I dont think he's been as good as what we were expecting, but even when he's has a decent game there's some on here that still want to critises him. It's Turton all over again.
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There are several players throughout a season whose 'turn' it is.
He started really well, had an injury and is, in my beiw about 80% right.
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
I dont think Norburn really did anything wrong yesterday. He was solid and did his job. At this point it seems that Norburn is this seasons target man for a few to spit some venom at. I dont think he's been as good as what we were expecting, but even when he's has a decent game there's some on here that still want to critises him. It's Turton all over again.
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It's when they can't slag off CJ it's who's next in the firing line.
Now it's a Norburn V Virtue thread when they play in two totally different positions!

Next up Husband V Gabriel. 😂
 
Norburn has been great the last few games.

2 x Forest games and Exeter and yesterday. Always available for the ball and can play on the half turn to get us moving forwards but also good at keeping the ball for us. He’ll be bringing out the best in Morgan too.

I can only think some people who post on here have never played football at any level or have any basic knowledge to not understand the role of a sitting midfielder. Barry Ferguson use to get shit too… 🙃

His leadership and his effectiveness is the reason we’ve been able to play 3 upfront.

If you’ve got Matty Virtue better than him in this role you don’t understand football.

To be fair though, this could be MV’s breakthrough season for us… 6th time lucky?!
 
Costero Poderoso said:
i think every central midfielder is better than Norburn. I think you could put Morgan or virtue in that central role and be more effective, from what ive seen of Oakley booth id put him ahead of Norburn. If there is an actual need for a very defensive player connolly would be a better option frankly.

Ive said it before, Norburn seems to be a bit of a destabilizing influence on the team, wouldnt surprise me if Kennys issues are related to Norburns role in the squad.
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I realise football is a very subjective topic but that really is a very strange post....Norburn is way better than Oakley Booth and for me he is also much better than Virtue and Connolly. Each to their own.
 
straightatthewall said:
I'd read plenty on here about Norburns poor performances and lack of contribution. I saw him at the first Forest game and - surprise surprise - he was perfectly fine. As someone else says, his role is to sit in front of the defence, offer abd receive the ball and keep it moving until something opens up. That's his role in the set up and it's important he holds his position and with discipline because (in theory) it's good for the balance of the squad.
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well said.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
I realise football is a very subjective topic but that really is a very strange post....Norburn is way better than Oakley Booth and for me he is also much better than Virtue and Connolly. Each to their own.
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yep, but he has a habit of posting weird stuff regarding our team and players.
 
Norburn is much better. Even then though, they are different players. If we don’t sort competition / backup for Norburn and he got injured we’d be saying goodbye to any playoff hopes. We’d have no chance with Morgan and Virtue being our central midfield.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
i think every central midfielder is better than Norburn. I think you could put Morgan or virtue in that central role and be more effective, from what ive seen of Oakley booth id put him ahead of Norburn. If there is an actual need for a very defensive player connolly would be a better option frankly.

Ive said it before, Norburn seems to be a bit of a destabilizing influence on the team, wouldnt surprise me if Kennys issues are related to Norburns role in the squad.
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i think the avftt admins should allow you to put a thumbs down to posts as well as a "like" because i'd give you a few thumbs down for that load of tosh. And to insinuate and link Dougalls "issues" to Norburn is pretty disgraceful.
 
Norburn is a player who you see the best of when he has the right players around him so he can do his job. He shines at doing the sitting in front of the 2/3 CB's and just moving the ball seemlessly along.

Far, far more indispensable than Matty V.

As I said yesterday, the midfield isn't right yet, probably as a result of collecting too many players of the same ilk and standard. I think we'll see some surprising outs there come the summer if not this month.
 
Norburn had a couple of dodgy games when he came back from injury, other than that he's done his job well. He's also a leader that we've been desperate for, constantly talking to the rest of the lads and pushing the lads. I dont think it's a coincidence that we've looked better since he's got back to near full fitness than we did when he was only half fit.

I swear some people on here just make up things to moan about. I'd take him at DM over Virtue any day, mainly because Virtue isn't a DM so comparing them is absolutely pointless.
 
tangysider said:
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I am a football fan and no way is Norburn fantastic. Agree midfield was weak last season.
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"I honestly believe Virtue is a better player than Norburn."

It's a good job Critchley disagrees as well otherwise we would even further off the play-offs.
 
I was just flicking through the Rovers forum and came across this, "o norburn was shit for us but hes controlled the mid at times today hes come along way" Maybe it's a case of us not appreciating our own players when opposition fans can see what we have. Same with Coulson, I didn't see anyone mention him on here yesterday but Rovers fans have been saying he was one of our best players.
 
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