New Blog: Are we any good? Does it even matter?


Sorry for inflicting this on you. Weirdest season ever really.

Have as good week as you can.
I think confidence is a big part of it. Players like Robson are in and out so much they never really get settled. NC seems like the football version of Boris at the moment.
 
A few things to ponder over in your latest literary offering.
We certainly are work in progress. We have the foundations with a good enough defence plus back-ups.
In front of them we have Dougall and CJ, when fit as the only definites.
I've lost patience with Sullay and I don't agree with you about his free kicks, with a couple of notable exceptions, but then again Garbutt's free kicks haven't exactly left me drooling.
But two quality signings, a creative mid-fielder and a goal poacher could have a significant impact.
Failing that give youth a chance.
 
I thought that's what we'd been doing all season!
Not our home grown ones though...

I did wonder about writing about Bange etc but frankly, I don't know enough about them to have an opinion but Holmes, Apter and Bange all seem to be on great form and producing and I'd wonder if their rawness might be an energy to invigorate the team and also might kick one or two senior pros up the bum if a kid is threatening their place.
 
I think confidence is a big part of it. Players like Robson are in and out so much they never really get settled. NC seems like the football version of Boris at the moment.

Ha! Yeah, a bit. I think he's in a bit of a mental dilemma. He wants to develop the side one way, but they seem to work better in another. I'm fine with him developing a style of play for the long term, but he's obviously trying to balance that results now and I think that's a tricky position for him to be in.

That's not a criticism of him, I welcome the fact he tries different things but I do think it's perhaps leaving the players a little unsure and making it difficult to find the rhythm they need to play quickly. I think to his credit, he's trying to listen to players and look at how they work best, but something in him won't let him stick with the simpler formation and to be fair, whilst we look more potent with two strikers, we do also look more vulnerable.
 
Thanks for that TD, I agree, something is missing and I'm not sure just what it is, could it be the simple ability to cross a ball, find a Pool head with a corner? When I played vets football an occasional ex lower league pro would turn up, not run around much but ping passes and free kicks around which no one else on the pitch could live with, it was the way they struck the ball, their timing of the hit and it put the ball more or less where they wanted to put it. You would imagine all pros could do that but it seems we have only the one and his corners are generally not as advertised on the tin.

I like your idea of a speedy fox in the box but a calm, speedy fox in the box, that guy who is confident enough to stop the traffic and pick his pass or spot for the shot would be even better although probably playing a level above.

Enjoyed the read.
 
Good stuff.

I said the same to a non-BFC supporting friend on Saturday evening - “Still not sure if we’re any good or not”.
 
A few things to ponder over in your latest literary offering.
We certainly are work in progress. We have the foundations with a good enough defence plus back-ups.
In front of them we have Dougall and CJ, when fit as the only definites.
I've lost patience with Sullay and I don't agree with you about his free kicks, with a couple of notable exceptions, but then again Garbutt's free kicks haven't exactly left me drooling.
But two quality signings, a creative mid-fielder and a goal poacher could have a significant impact.
Failing that give youth a chance.

I'm not saying Sullay's free kicks are great. I'm saying their better than when Robson/Ward took them at the outset when they were really bad and that him not taking them is denting his confidence as he ends up peripheral. Clearly, Garbutt should be taking them as he is better but the point is more that a player like Sullay is an example of the complexity of setting up the team. It's as much about who you put around him as anything else in terms of getting the best out of him.

Sullay is stretching my patience too as much as I defend him but he's the one player with genuine, cast iron magic in his boots and I would never chuck that in the bin. I'd demand he watches endless videos of Simmo at his best if I was going to persevere with him on the left or I'd probably bench him and bring him on in a more central position and hope to get reaction from doing so.

Theoretically, Bez on the left and CJ on the right should be the way to go when we play as a three, both have pace to burn and like to cut inside and get to goal. Bez hasn't shown enough yet but in terms of purely on paper, he's the player who should be on the left of a three. I also think the three is too wide, they don't compress and become a striking trio often enough. Bez looks like he should be able to do this better than other options like Keshi and Sullay, he looks like he could be strong in the box and offer some physical presence etc.

I do wonder if 3-5-2 would work better with one midfielder advancing to make a 3 up front at times (We've got a million options for this) but then you think 'where does CJ play then?' which is probably why we've never tried it.
 
Thanks for that TD, I agree, something is missing and I'm not sure just what it is, could it be the simple ability to cross a ball, find a Pool head with a corner? When I played vets football an occasional ex lower league pro would turn up, not run around much but ping passes and free kicks around which no one else on the pitch could live with, it was the way they struck the ball, their timing of the hit and it put the ball more or less where they wanted to put it. You would imagine all pros could do that but it seems we have only the one and his corners are generally not as advertised on the tin.

I like your idea of a speedy fox in the box but a calm, speedy fox in the box, that guy who is confident enough to stop the traffic and pick his pass or spot for the shot would be even better although probably playing a level above.

Enjoyed the read.

Technically several of them can. I know it's a while ago but I watched Sullay warming up in a game last year. Oh, my god. He was unbelievable, his control, his touch, his balance, his ability in the game of head and pass was unreal. Yet, in the games, we see only flashes of that.

There's no question in my mind there is the technical ability but I think the movement isn't engrained. You see top players hitting passes blind but we rarely do that. (Dougall does from time to time, but everyone else seems to have a touch and look) - I think it's possibly two things - one that ball retention is being coached, which is fine, but it's a balance and two, we vary the formation, which again is fine, but it means the patterns of play aren't engrained and thus those first time pinged passes aren't coming to the players as they've not developed that telepathy that teams seem to have when they're doing well.

Right, I really must get off AVFTT
 
Yes, i think we are a very decent league one side, but it is just taking some time to fall into place. We have a very capable young manager , it can be argued at times he is making mistakes for example with the substitutions but i feel he will ultimately get it right. We have a more talented squad than last term , we just need to add quality to it. Players such as Ekpiteta, Gretarsson,Dougal and Hamilton are quality and i have always been a fan of Madine. There are others such as Robson who just have to show more consistency. Unsure how we will do the rest of the season but feel things are developing for much better one next term.
 
Technically several of them can. I know it's a while ago but I watched Sullay warming up in a game last year. Oh, my god. He was unbelievable, his control, his touch, his balance, his ability in the game of head and pass was unreal. Yet, in the games, we see only flashes of that.

There's no question in my mind there is the technical ability but I think the movement isn't engrained. You see top players hitting passes blind but we rarely do that. (Dougall does from time to time, but everyone else seems to have a touch and look) - I think it's possibly two things - one that ball retention is being coached, which is fine, but it's a balance and two, we vary the formation, which again is fine, but it means the patterns of play aren't engrained and thus those first time pinged passes aren't coming to the players as they've not developed that telepathy that teams seem to have when they're doing well.

Right, I really must get off AVFTT
I think, "flashes" sums it up TD and of course its that that is so frustrating, we know they have it but it's not consistenly applied, I imagine its being worked on though so let's see what that brings in the months ahead. I think we are in good hands, maybe its just the feet I'm worried about!
 
Not our home grown ones though...

I did wonder about writing about Bange etc but frankly, I don't know enough about them to have an opinion but Holmes, Apter and Bange all seem to be on great form and producing and I'd wonder if their rawness might be an energy to invigorate the team and also might kick one or two senior pros up the bum if a kid is threatening their place.
I haven't seen Holmes at all yet and I've not seen Bange and Apter, or anyone, throughout 2020.
I'm not for one minute suggesting they will turn round our season but what disappoints me is, even with 5 subs, we don't get them on the bench and give them 10/15 mins at the end of a game.
I know we've never had the luxury of being 3 goals up approaching the end of a game but if they are not on the bench they can't be used even if we were.
Whilst he's not a shining example of a top manager Wor Lee is the only manager we've had in recent years prepared to give youth a chance and that was probably forced on him anyway.
It's no use talking big about developing the academy if you don't support it.
 
Yes, i think we are a very decent league one side, but it is just taking some time to fall into place. We have a very capable young manager , it can be argued at times he is making mistakes for example with the substitutions but i feel he will ultimately get it right. We have a more talented squad than last term , we just need to add quality to it. Players such as Ekpiteta, Gretarsson,Dougal and Hamilton are quality and i have always been a fan of Madine. There are others such as Robson who just have to show more consistency. Unsure how we will do the rest of the season but feel things are developing for much better one next term.

Yeah, the subs are frustrating. I wrote my review on Saturday then later listened to the podcast and TAM said almost word for word what I'd written. Now, I don't think TAM is reading the blog before the podcast, not least cos I published it after they'd gone live, so my conclusion is that both he and I saw the moment exactly the same way - Kemp in particular looked gone, he's always diminishing returns but he waits and waits and waits then throws a load of players on. If two of us, seperately, have the EXACT same response, it suggests it probably is a thing.

I couldn't coach the side, I couldn't motivate the players, I couldn't have the knowledge or contacts to recruit or really, as much as I'd like to think I could, have the knowledge of how to set them up and instruct them in their jobs.

I do think there's a good part time job for me though. I can sit on the bench and just do subs. That's it. I can do all the moves, like standing with arms folded, pointing, shaking my head, drinking a bit of water and spitting it out (post covid) and I reckon I can carry off a tracksuit/club rain jacket.

It's not the first time I've offered either. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Simon approaches me. I'll ask for 2 hours pay plus travel expenses and a club kit with my initials on. Bargain.

To be honest, I can't remember a time when we had a manager who we all agreed made good subs though. It always seems a stick to beat the boss with, whoever it is.
 
I haven't seen Holmes at all yet and I've not seen Bange and Apter, or anyone, throughout 2020.
I'm not for one minute suggesting they will turn round our season but what disappoints me is, even with 5 subs, we don't get them on the bench and give them 10/15 mins at the end of a game.
I know we've never had the luxury of being 3 goals up approaching the end of a game but if they are not on the bench they can't be used even if we were.
Whilst he's not a shining example of a top manager Wor Lee is the only manager we've had in recent years prepared to give youth a chance and that was probably forced on him anyway.
It's no use talking big about developing the academy if you don't support it.
Agreed. I also don't believe in protecting kids from all circumstances. If your 2-1 down, sticking on Sarkic or someone doesn't seem to have an impact. Putting on kid who will run around like a loon sometimes does. There's a value in rawness. People say we're playing all these inexperienced players, but they've ALL got gametime behind them and a season or two in the bag. They're established pros and they'll 90% be certain to get another contract somewhere even if it doesn't work with us. Someone totally raw is sometimes as much of a surprise weapon as anything else as they've got everything to prove and a desperation to establish a career.
 
Really good blog that TD. Summed up a lot of my thoughts in a far better way than I could spill out.

I think the point around the dilemma for Critch, his formation, styles of play and personnel hits the mark exactly.

For my two ‘penth worth I think you’re right in your assessment, 442 has brought us a smidge more potency than anything else.
with another striker and possibly a creative midfielder we may hit the jackpot.

However this leaves some very awkward questions around the signings of Sarkic, Anderson, Williams, Mitchell, Kemp and Woodburn.

I don’t think Critch wants to admit the majority of the last transfer window was wasted and he’ll have to ask for the same outlay again, 12 months on. Can’t imagine SS will be pleased to have basically stood still for a year.
 
A few things to ponder over in your latest literary offering.
We certainly are work in progress. We have the foundations with a good enough defence plus back-ups.
In front of them we have Dougall and CJ, when fit as the only definites.
I've lost patience with Sullay and I don't agree with you about his free kicks, with a couple of notable exceptions, but then again Garbutt's free kicks haven't exactly left me drooling.
But two quality signings, a creative mid-fielder and a goal poacher could have a significant impact.
Failing that give youth a chance.
Far too many of Critchley's summer signings are not up to league1 level. Unless we find a creative midfielder and clinical finisher then a lower half finish is inevitable.
 
Technically we are a far better side than Graysons hoofball which was soon sussed and ultimately got us nowhere. It is just taking time.
You’re of course, correct about the technical side of the ball.

However there are some unsettling similarities and deficiencies, when compared with the same amount of games last season, we’d scored 30 goals and had amassed 34 points. * Edit to add, the much vaunted defensive capability we now have, share exactly the same amount of goals concede as their counterparts from 12 months ago at 23.

All that would currently put us 4th, 12 months ago it put us 5th, again an uncomfortable stat, which is a "what if" but a big one at that. I don’t believe Grayson was the future as his record in the Championship is average at best, but we’re still waiting to see if Critch is also the future.
We then had a mini drop in form, which compared to the start of this season now seems tame, and hovered around mid table, again uncomfortably similar to what we have now when Grayson was deemed not to be up to the job.

I did call at the time for Grayson to be judged around about now, and see where we are. Having said that I wasn’t shedding any tears when he went because the football, as you say was truly awful.

There are also some uncomfortable similarities with squad imbalances and bloating. Where we once had a plethora of right and left backs (we still do) we now have a full house of midfielders that seem to not be doing too much to further the club.

If anything at the current time in the cold light of day it looks as if we’re standing still as a club, and as the old adage goes, if you’re not moving forward in football you’re going backwards.

It could prove to be that taking one step backwards allowed us to take two going forward. We are as yet to see this result and I’ll be the first to applauded the people behind it if this happens.

But as I say, we’re in a slightly worse position than we were 12 months ago.

As a fact, that’s not ideal for someone like SS.
 
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Good read as always, TD

I would emphasise one of your later points. Ask yourself, when you are at work, how do you feel when the boss, a customer or your team tell you have done a good job? You feel 10 feet tall, and you will continue to perform at a higher level on that buzz.

Here, we have a group of players, who could also be described as entertainers, who should have 10000 customers telling them in the bluntest terms when they have done a good job, motivating them when they are tired, firing them up when they have gone a goal down (some of the loudest chanting I have ever heard at BR is just after losing a goal). This year they have non of that, they are a totally new team, some are still young and inexperienced at this level.

Before anyone jumps down my throat and says it's the same for everyone, most other teams have a bigger group who have been together much longer, and have a few very experienced players, even from higher levels.

In the absence of crowds, to me, it emphasises the need for on field leaders, for the arm round the shoulder and the kick up the 'arris. Our most successful team of recent times had at least 5 on field leaders.
 
I think there is a lot to be said for playing your best 11 as many times as you can. I personally don't buy into this squad rotation, these guys are supposed to be fit, it's their job.
We have had 25 different starters in the league this season, compare that to the 15 Lincoln have used. I'm not sure Mr Critchley knows who his best 11 are yet, and constant changes in personnel and formation is massively affecting us.
For me he needs to pick his 11 and a formation and stick with it for a run of games, see where it takes us. Instead of making wholesale changes almost every game, using the opposition as an excuse to do this. If they are good enough, they should be able to play against any opposition, within reason.
 
I think there is a lot to be said for playing your best 11 as many times as you can. I personally don't buy into this squad rotation, these guys are supposed to be fit, it's their job.
We have had 25 different starters in the league this season, compare that to the 15 Lincoln have used. I'm not sure Mr Critchley knows who his best 11 are yet, and constant changes in personnel and formation is massively affecting us.
For me he needs to pick his 11 and a formation and stick with it for a run of games, see where it takes us. Instead of making wholesale changes almost every game, using the opposition as an excuse to do this. If they are good enough, they should be able to play against any opposition, within reason.
When Liverpool won the League in the 70s they used 16 players and had a Cup run and competed in Europe. A settled side knows their job and what their teammates are doing.
 
Good read as always, TD

I would emphasise one of your later points. Ask yourself, when you are at work, how do you feel when the boss, a customer or your team tell you have done a good job? You feel 10 feet tall, and you will continue to perform at a higher level on that buzz.

Here, we have a group of players, who could also be described as entertainers, who should have 10000 customers telling them in the bluntest terms when they have done a good job, motivating them when they are tired, firing them up when they have gone a goal down (some of the loudest chanting I have ever heard at BR is just after losing a goal). This year they have non of that, they are a totally new team, some are still young and inexperienced at this level.

Before anyone jumps down my throat and says it's the same for everyone, most other teams have a bigger group who have been together much longer, and have a few very experienced players, even from higher levels.

In the absence of crowds, to me, it emphasises the need for on field leaders, for the arm round the shoulder and the kick up the 'arris. Our most successful team of recent times had at least 5 on field leaders.
They're not young. Most of the first team squad are between 25 and 30 years of age.
 
I'm not saying Sullay's free kicks are great. I'm saying their better than when Robson/Ward took them at the outset when they were really bad and that him not taking them is denting his confidence as he ends up peripheral. Clearly, Garbutt should be taking them as he is better but the point is more that a player like Sullay is an example of the complexity of setting up the team. It's as much about who you put around him as anything else in terms of getting the best out of him.

Sullay is stretching my patience too as much as I defend him but he's the one player with genuine, cast iron magic in his boots and I would never chuck that in the bin. I'd demand he watches endless videos of Simmo at his best if I was going to persevere with him on the left or I'd probably bench him and bring him on in a more central position and hope to get reaction from doing so.

Theoretically, Bez on the left and CJ on the right should be the way to go when we play as a three, both have pace to burn and like to cut inside and get to goal. Bez hasn't shown enough yet but in terms of purely on paper, he's the player who should be on the left of a three. I also think the three is too wide, they don't compress and become a striking trio often enough. Bez looks like he should be able to do this better than other options like Keshi and Sullay, he looks like he could be strong in the box and offer some physical presence etc.

I do wonder if 3-5-2 would work better with one midfielder advancing to make a 3 up front at times (We've got a million options for this) but then you think 'where does CJ play then?' which is probably why we've never tried it.
One frustration I have with NC is that he varies the personnel a lot more than he varies the formation. 4-3-3 is the default line-up and I could be wrong but we only went 4-4-2 when Calderwood arrived. With CJ out for a few weeks and West Brom next up this would seem the ideal opportunity to try something new. For the three at the back you could perm any three from Turton, EPK, Ballard, Grets and Husband. My preference would be the middle three with Gretarsson and Ballard comfortable bringing the ball out from defence.
For the right wing back Gabriel would be the best candidate and on the left Garbutt but Turton (right) and Mitchell (left) are also worth considering. The main benefit of this system are the options for the middle three where you could select any three from Dougall, Ward, Virtue, Anderson and Robson. With Dougall as the anchorman this would allow the midfield more license to join up with the attack.
 
The Grayson 3421 with The Fonz and Kaikai behind Gnads was certainly as good if not better than what we have now
That three (or two one) was certainly better than what we've had as a three. Again, it was narrower with players behind Gnando and going wide but as I say, our three looks so strung out and never close together to interlink. CJ and sullay or whoever is pretending to be sullay this week seem to start wide as default and I don't think that works. Not least cos Sullay is better central than wide and neither Yates not Madine (who I really rate) is Gnando. Gnando could play on his own up front, neither of them can.
 
I wouldn't have Fonz or Kaikai in my team.
Maybe not but that three when fit (and they actually didn't play together as a three that often) looked really good.

Fonz got crocked early on and then when he was coming back Sullay got crocked not long after.

They did look a really good unit. I've almost never looked our front three when it's played and thought 'that's a handful' as a group.
 
They're not young. Most of the first team squad are between 25 and 30 years of age.
That's true, but I've noted a lot of opposition have one or two players of considerably greater experience. Cameron Jerome, Leon Clarke, that lad who was at Bournemouth, Glen Whelen and several charlton players spring to mind off the top of my head.

We've got loads of players with *some* experience and only really Madine and Maxwell who've been there, done that and even they haven't necessarily got the t shirt. Madine isn't a natural captain and I suspect Maxwell isn't really either.

He reminds me more of a cricket captain than a football captain. A sort of formal captain figure who embodies a certain dignity, rather than a snarling, tigerish vein bulging Andy Morrison or whoever.
 
Plenty of experience here. Maxwell 300 games, Turton 300, Husband 200, Garbutt 150, Ekpiteta 150, Ward 200, Anderson 150, Dougall 200, Kaikai 130, Yates 100, Madine 400.
Perhaps that's part of the problem for Critchley, in that they're senior professionals who are set in their style/ways and beyond coaching?
 
Plenty of experience here. Maxwell 300 games, Turton 300, Husband 200, Garbutt 150, Ekpiteta 150, Ward 200, Anderson 150, Dougall 200, Kaikai 130, Yates 100, Madine 400.
Perhaps that's part of the problem for Critchley, in that they're senior professionals who are set in their style/ways and beyond coaching?
If you look at some of those names though, they're arguably the ones who've best responded to him. Not all of them, but some of them.

It kind of backs up my point though. Turton, Madine and Maxwell are the most experienced but they're all not really born leaders in way this team needs. I'd argue they've also been three of the most consistent performers.

I'm not arguing they are babies who need love and bottle feeding with pure encougement, just that there isn't that old head who also has the character to kick them up the arse on the pitch or alternatively, to calm them down when we hit one of those points where we fall apart. Ipswich, Doncaster and start of second half on Saturday, we really needed someone to grab that game/team and calm it down.

Possibly it's deliberate that we don't have said player, possibly it's not. I don't know. The assumption that a manager can always just get the right players is wrong. Sometimes the right player just isn't available, look at how long Klopp waited for a centre half and a keeper.

I've said before, I think he cleaned the old squad out too quickly and left himself needing to get bodies for the sake of bodies to some extent but that's the past.

Tbh, a decent window with a few well chosen players. We'll be fine.
 
If you look at some of those names though, they're arguably the ones who've best responded to him. Not all of them, but some of them.

It kind of backs up my point though. Turton, Madine and Maxwell are the most experienced but they're all not really born leaders in way this team needs. I'd argue they've also been three of the most consistent performers.

I'm not arguing they are babies who need love and bottle feeding with pure encougement, just that there isn't that old head who also has the character to kick them up the arse on the pitch or alternatively, to calm them down when we hit one of those points where we fall apart. Ipswich, Doncaster and start of second half on Saturday, we really needed someone to grab that game/team and calm it down.

Possibly it's deliberate that we don't have said player, possibly it's not. I don't know. The assumption that a manager can always just get the right players is wrong. Sometimes the right player just isn't available, look at how long Klopp waited for a centre half and a keeper.

I've said before, I think he cleaned the old squad out too quickly and left himself needing to get bodies for the sake of bodies to some extent but that's the past.

Tbh, a decent window with a few well chosen players. We'll be fine.
Critch has had a lot of trouble with Gary goals behind closed doors.
Gary doesn’t listen to a word Critch says so the story goes and there’s no love lost between them.

I fear this will play on Critch apparent insecurities about senior pros.

I agree with you we didn’t build a spine in the summer and we’re seeing the results now.

Throw in no natural leader and no crowds and we look lost at times.
 
Critch has had a lot of trouble with Gary goals behind closed doors.
Gary doesn’t listen to a word Critch says so the story goes and there’s no love lost between them.

I fear this will play on Critch apparent insecurities about senior pros.

I agree with you we didn’t build a spine in the summer and we’re seeing the results now.

Throw in no natural leader and no crowds and we look lost at times.

We're seeing the results sometimes and not other. We can't pretend we didn't play really well against Portsmouth or Hull for example.

If the story is true, then Critch is trying to kill him with kindness by making him captain. I can't comment on how he responds in training but I'd say Madine has had a decent game in 85% of his starts and has had a lot more impact than say, Robson or Keshi overall.

Looking at their characters, they don't seem to be the sort who'd naturally be bosom pals tbh, but that's based on a very crude impression of the pair of them.
 
We're seeing the results sometimes and not other. We can't pretend we didn't play really well against Portsmouth or Hull for example.

If the story is true, then Critch is trying to kill him with kindness by making him captain. I can't comment on how he responds in training but I'd say Madine has had a decent game in 85% of his starts and has had a lot more impact than say, Robson or Keshi overall.

Looking at their characters, they don't seem to be the sort who'd naturally be bosom pals tbh, but that's based on a very crude impression of the pair of them.
I’d personally say we’ve played well in about 3 maybe 4 of the games this season. Average in about 12 and awful in about 4.
Bizarrely the 4 really good games have come against good side.

I agree Madine has probably been our attacking player of note so far.

personally I think we need to build a team around Dougall the only one apart from Madine that’s got any football acumen on the pitch regarding clock management, the refs and his team mates.
 
I’d personally say we’ve played well in about 3 maybe 4 of the games this season. Average in about 12 and awful in about 4.
Bizarrely the 4 really good games have come against good side.

I agree Madine has probably been our attacking player of note so far.

personally I think we need to build a team around Dougall the only one apart from Madine that’s got any football acumen on the pitch regarding clock management, the refs and his team mates.

Yeah, so overall we're quite average I'd infer from that. I suppose it depends on whether you say 'ok, we started at year zero, we had almost no players, so to be average by now is ok cos it takes time' or believe we should be able to buy the league therefore average is unacceptable. I've said since summer that I don't think we'll go up cos almost no one does like that. You can buy Will Grigg or whoever, but to get out of this division requires team spirit and fight and cohesion that takes time to mould. I also think that by the nature of football, a certain percentage of signings that ANY manager makes don't work out. We don't notice the signing that Klopp, Pep, Clough, Fergie or whoever make or made that are shite cos we just see the silverware and they disappear from view or never emerge. The idea he could have just bought an oven ready promotion team in one go is absurd optimism but I think also slating him cos he bought say, Sarkic, is also absurd. You're ALWAYS going to get some duds if you buy 17 players no matter who you are. Hence my belief that a) the target isn't promotion or bust this year (or if it is, that's fanciful) and b) he could have evolved the process slower - that said, I respect him for being decisive and backing himself.

It's not so bizarre I think - it's like you said above (i think it was you!) - it's redolent of Grayson in some ways this team. We hammered Fleetwood, beat Oxford (ok, it was lucky but we did) and played a blinding game against Peterborough. Ok, we fucked up the second half against Cov, but we were brilliant first half against them. The only to top side I remember us struggling badly with were Wycombe who are really a shit team. It was shit teams that Grayson's side really couldn't manage or to be honest, from what I saw, Mcphillip's side too. So in some ways were Billy Ayre's team. We'd beak Stoke or West Brom but then lose to the bottom of the league. It's very Blackpool in a way. Do the double over liverpool, get relegated.

That same problem remains. We can't play round a side that just sets up to defend and have a few breaks. We can play against a side who comes on to us or tries to play football. Oddly, Grayson's side were similar despite their different style and it also was highly reliant on the right winger...

I think Dougall is class but I think you need a more productive player as well. Dougall is really key but he's a facilitator who will also contribute creatively at times. I can't see him banging in ten goals or setting up 2 or 3 in a game, but I can see him making some lovely play and being the third or fourth touch out from a goal or the tackle that sets up the break. We don't have the player who will pull strings or make something entirely by himself (other than CJ). Dougall is more Vaughan than Adam so to speak. We don't necessarily need an Adam to go up, we could just have a really solid midfield centre instead but if not, we need two functioning flanks and at the moment, we've only got a right wing cos Sullay's in the doghouse, Keshi isn't a left winger, Bez is only allowed on for 4 minutes at a time and Mitchell has to play on the right for no obvious reason I can fathom despite having no right foot. I woudn't play Garbutt there as he's not really about beating people and he plays best coming from deeper into space and you need either mad pace or a trick or two to play more advanced. He'd be fine if his job was just to get it and swing it in straight away, but that's not the way this side needs it delivered at the moment.

Y'know what, I think Dougall and KDH would have been something but that's just wishful thinking.

Right. I'm spending no more time this week speculating about us. Had enough. It's only football innit.
 
Yeah, so overall we're quite average I'd infer from that. I suppose it depends on whether you say 'ok, we started at year zero, we had almost no players, so to be average by now is ok cos it takes time' or believe we should be able to buy the league therefore average is unacceptable. I've said since summer that I don't think we'll go up cos almost no one does like that. You can buy Will Grigg or whoever, but to get out of this division requires team spirit and fight and cohesion that takes time to mould. I also think that by the nature of football, a certain percentage of signings that ANY manager makes don't work out. We don't notice the signing that Klopp, Pep, Clough, Fergie or whoever make or made that are shite cos we just see the silverware and they disappear from view or never emerge. The idea he could have just bought an oven ready promotion team in one go is absurd optimism but I think also slating him cos he bought say, Sarkic, is also absurd. You're ALWAYS going to get some duds if you buy 17 players no matter who you are. Hence my belief that a) the target isn't promotion or bust this year (or if it is, that's fanciful) and b) he could have evolved the process slower - that said, I respect him for being decisive and backing himself.

It's not so bizarre I think - it's like you said above (i think it was you!) - it's redolent of Grayson in some ways this team. We hammered Fleetwood, beat Oxford (ok, it was lucky but we did) and played a blinding game against Peterborough. Ok, we fucked up the second half against Cov, but we were brilliant first half against them. The only to top side I remember us struggling badly with were Wycombe who are really a shit team. It was shit teams that Grayson's side really couldn't manage or to be honest, from what I saw, Mcphillip's side too. So in some ways were Billy Ayre's team. We'd beak Stoke or West Brom but then lose to the bottom of the league. It's very Blackpool in a way. Do the double over liverpool, get relegated.

That same problem remains. We can't play round a side that just sets up to defend and have a few breaks. We can play against a side who comes on to us or tries to play football. Oddly, Grayson's side were similar despite their different style and it also was highly reliant on the right winger...

I think Dougall is class but I think you need a more productive player as well. Dougall is really key but he's a facilitator who will also contribute creatively at times. I can't see him banging in ten goals or setting up 2 or 3 in a game, but I can see him making some lovely play and being the third or fourth touch out from a goal or the tackle that sets up the break. We don't have the player who will pull strings or make something entirely by himself (other than CJ). Dougall is more Vaughan than Adam so to speak. We don't necessarily need an Adam to go up, we could just have a really solid midfield centre instead but if not, we need two functioning flanks and at the moment, we've only got a right wing cos Sullay's in the doghouse, Keshi isn't a left winger, Bez is only allowed on for 4 minutes at a time and Mitchell has to play on the right for no obvious reason I can fathom despite having no right foot. I woudn't play Garbutt there as he's not really about beating people and he plays best coming from deeper into space and you need either mad pace or a trick or two to play more advanced. He'd be fine if his job was just to get it and swing it in straight away, but that's not the way this side needs it delivered at the moment.

Y'know what, I think Dougall and KDH would have been something but that's just wishful thinking.

Right. I'm spending no more time this week speculating about us. Had enough. It's only football innit.
Jesus TD that’s some reply for 1 am. And I don’t think I can’t do it justice in reply. 😂.

I think you hit the mark along the same lines as I think. I can forgive signings not being up to it that’s fine, every team has them and we’ve had a fair few. Sarkic is a strange one BM signed him for NC and that is showing through in grim fashion.

All I’d say is We’ve been really clumsy in all our transfer windows so far under new owners. That cannot carry on.
I think again you hit the nail on the head in an earlier post when you said the old squad was torn up without much thought and we just had to get bodies in. Without much thought given.

Team spirit needed - you get that with the spine - Dougal and another - a new striker. But leaves uncomfortably questions about players we’ve only just acquired.
 
Whatever style of football you play it needs to be "effective".

We aren't "effective" at the moment. League 1 football requires far more directness. You can try to make a silk purse out of a sows ear but uness you have the silk it won't work.

I think Critch is struggling at the moment. We are good at the back, solid, for league 1 ace in defensive midfield, nothing creative at all in midfield, and really weak going forward. The only outlet is CJ.

We need a creative midfielder and a goal poacher. Not easy to come by I know.
 
If you look at some of those names though, they're arguably the ones who've best responded to him. Not all of them, but some of them.

It kind of backs up my point though. Turton, Madine and Maxwell are the most experienced but they're all not really born leaders in way this team needs. I'd argue they've also been three of the most consistent performers.

I'm not arguing they are babies who need love and bottle feeding with pure encougement, just that there isn't that old head who also has the character to kick them up the arse on the pitch or alternatively, to calm them down when we hit one of those points where we fall apart. Ipswich, Doncaster and start of second half on Saturday, we really needed someone to grab that game/team and calm it down.

Possibly it's deliberate that we don't have said player, possibly it's not. I don't know. The assumption that a manager can always just get the right players is wrong. Sometimes the right player just isn't available, look at how long Klopp waited for a centre half and a keeper.

I've said before, I think he cleaned the old squad out too quickly and left himself needing to get bodies for the sake of bodies to some extent but that's the past.

Tbh, a decent window with a few well chosen players. We'll be fine.
It appears to have been a case of quantity over quality again. There are several recent signings who need shipping out asap. I think the recruitment team of Mansford, Johnson and Critchley got too much wrong in the summer, not least in failing to find a creative midfielder and a goalscorer. Also Critchley's obsession with playing 4-3-3 in league1 appears misguided.
 
Yeah, so overall we're quite average I'd infer from that. I suppose it depends on whether you say 'ok, we started at year zero, we had almost no players, so to be average by now is ok cos it takes time' or believe we should be able to buy the league therefore average is unacceptable. I've said since summer that I don't think we'll go up cos almost no one does like that. You can buy Will Grigg or whoever, but to get out of this division requires team spirit and fight and cohesion that takes time to mould. I also think that by the nature of football, a certain percentage of signings that ANY manager makes don't work out. We don't notice the signing that Klopp, Pep, Clough, Fergie or whoever make or made that are shite cos we just see the silverware and they disappear from view or never emerge. The idea he could have just bought an oven ready promotion team in one go is absurd optimism but I think also slating him cos he bought say, Sarkic, is also absurd. You're ALWAYS going to get some duds if you buy 17 players no matter who you are. Hence my belief that a) the target isn't promotion or bust this year (or if it is, that's fanciful) and b) he could have evolved the process slower - that said, I respect him for being decisive and backing himself.

It's not so bizarre I think - it's like you said above (i think it was you!) - it's redolent of Grayson in some ways this team. We hammered Fleetwood, beat Oxford (ok, it was lucky but we did) and played a blinding game against Peterborough. Ok, we fucked up the second half against Cov, but we were brilliant first half against them. The only to top side I remember us struggling badly with were Wycombe who are really a shit team. It was shit teams that Grayson's side really couldn't manage or to be honest, from what I saw, Mcphillip's side too. So in some ways were Billy Ayre's team. We'd beak Stoke or West Brom but then lose to the bottom of the league. It's very Blackpool in a way. Do the double over liverpool, get relegated.

That same problem remains. We can't play round a side that just sets up to defend and have a few breaks. We can play against a side who comes on to us or tries to play football. Oddly, Grayson's side were similar despite their different style and it also was highly reliant on the right winger...

I think Dougall is class but I think you need a more productive player as well. Dougall is really key but he's a facilitator who will also contribute creatively at times. I can't see him banging in ten goals or setting up 2 or 3 in a game, but I can see him making some lovely play and being the third or fourth touch out from a goal or the tackle that sets up the break. We don't have the player who will pull strings or make something entirely by himself (other than CJ). Dougall is more Vaughan than Adam so to speak. We don't necessarily need an Adam to go up, we could just have a really solid midfield centre instead but if not, we need two functioning flanks and at the moment, we've only got a right wing cos Sullay's in the doghouse, Keshi isn't a left winger, Bez is only allowed on for 4 minutes at a time and Mitchell has to play on the right for no obvious reason I can fathom despite having no right foot. I woudn't play Garbutt there as he's not really about beating people and he plays best coming from deeper into space and you need either mad pace or a trick or two to play more advanced. He'd be fine if his job was just to get it and swing it in straight away, but that's not the way this side needs it delivered at the moment.

Y'know what, I think Dougall and KDH would have been something but that's just wishful thinking.

Right. I'm spending no more time this week speculating about us. Had enough. It's only football innit.
Enjoyed reading that and very much in agreement overall.
 
We are like a polo mint. There's a hole in the middle. Everything moves around the hole. So fix it dear Neil, please.
 
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