Masks (again)

Old_Laytonian

Old_Laytonian

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Saturday morning went to the gym no mask required. Then went to Morrisons and wore mask. I had a couple at my local no mask . This morning I went to the gym again and no mask needed, stopped of at the the local shop and put on mask . Then went out for lunch again no mask.
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Old_Laytonian said:
Saturday morning went to the gym no mask required. Then went to Morrisons and wore mask. I had a couple at my local no mask . This morning I went to the gym again and no mask needed, stopped of at the the local shop and put on mask . Then went out for lunch again no mask.
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Wear a mask wherever you are if you’re worried. If not do what you like, most people seem to be, but then there is no recourse to complain if it backfires.
 
Lala said:
They have advised you!
They can’t possibly police every individual so just do what you feel is morally correct. We don’t need babying in every situation do we? Surely we are better than that.
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If it’s too confusing for you, wear a mask everytime you go out. Those of us with a bit of common sense can work out when to put one on.
 
The advice is flawed. I’ve been doing my own thing since the end of March. Other than supermarket shopping and my local corner shop until this weekend I have not worn a mask. I have no intention of returning to the High Street. The pubs are great book a table, no crowds or riff raff or screaming kids, table service, pay your bill at the end.
 
Johnno said:
If it’s too confusing for you, wear a mask everytime you go out. Those of us with a bit of common sense can work out when to put one on.
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Why are you wearing one? A disposable mask doesn’t protect you from anyone it only stops you passing it on to someone else. The staff in my local pub are told to change them every twenty minutes as after that they are not effective. If they get wet or you touch them and touch your face you have a greater chance of catching the virus. The government won’t tell you this just advise you .
 
The masks are a fuck up. People now completely ignoring social distancing because they’ve got a pointless cotton mask on.

I’m yet to see anyone (including the nurses at my doctors surgery) wearing the blue medical masks properly.

The roadsides are littered with discarded masks.

If you’re going to force people to wear the stupid fcuking masks then at the least have a proper information campaign to go along with it making sure people know how to use them safely, what is and isn’t an effective face covering and letting them know they aren’t a substitute for social distancing and good hygiene.
 
Old_Laytonian said:
Why are you wearing one? A disposable mask doesn’t protect you from anyone it only stops you passing it on to someone else. The staff in my local pub are told to change them every twenty minutes as after that they are not effective. If they get wet or you touch them and touch your face you have a greater chance of catching the virus. The government won’t tell you this just advise you .
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I wear one when I go into a crowded area in case I’ve got the virus and not showing symptoms yet. Even if it only reduces the risk of transmission then it’s worth the massive effort of taking one out of my pocket and putting it on.
Also, I’m just a cabbie, not a scientist or doctor, so for now I’ll follow the guidelines in the hope that other people know a bit more than me.
 
The first time masks had to be worn in supermarkets this weekend and social distancing went out of the window. I told a few people where to go . The good thing about wearing a mask was I could mutter under my breath “ stupid ** idiot” and they couldn’t hear me although my wife could and smacked me round the head
 
Old_Laytonian said:
The first time masks had to be worn in supermarkets this weekend and social distancing went out of the window. I told a few people where to go . The good thing about wearing a mask was I could mutter under my breath “ stupid ** idiot” and they couldn’t hear me although my wife could and smacked me round the head
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I like your wife 🤣👍
 
I agree with the OP, the advice has been crap. That doesn't mean we're idiots. If a teacher stands at the front of the class and says "Right kids, I want you to write a story about a frog. No actually, a horse. No, actually, we'll do maths. Ok, A bit of maths, but a story at the same time, look, just do something, it's your education! But not till 9 days time. Right now we're doing history. Even though I said geography before." then when ofsted comes in, it won't wash to blame the kids for being confused.

That's what I feel like. I'm not stupid and I'll wear a mask where I think I'm potentially compromising others. I'm not going to start freaking out at the prospect of passing someone on the pavement for 1 second. But that doesn't mean the government advice hasn't been confusing and seemingly produced on the hoof and expressed in glib ways. I can both know what to do and at the same time acknowledge that the advice is confusing.

I feel a bit like a kid in the class above who has instead of listening to the teacher, just read the textbook and got on with what seems to make sense to them. I'm cracking on with it and fuck knows if it's what the teacher wants but it's seems like the best thing to do.

That's not great really and I don't think expecting some clarity in instructions is the same as expecting babying. Simple communication involves saying clearly what you want people to do and why you want them to do it. Giving some reasoning as to the benefit of that strategy. I have limited experience as a 'leader of people' but in that experience that rule seemed to work well enough in the workplace.

Clear message, clear reasoning, be open and don't over complicate it. To be honest, I think despite the much publicised stuff, most people have been pretty sound in general and tried to do what seems sensible.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The masks are a fuck up. People now completely ignoring social distancing because they’ve got a pointless cotton mask on.

I’m yet to see anyone (including the nurses at my doctors surgery) wearing the blue medical masks properly.

The roadsides are littered with discarded masks.

If you’re going to force people to wear the stupid fcuking masks then at the least have a proper information campaign to go along with it making sure people know how to use them safely, what is and isn’t an effective face covering and letting them know they aren’t a substitute for social distancing and good hygiene.
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Yep, those scientists are just pulling our legs for a giggle.
 
Old_Laytonian said:
Why are you wearing one? A disposable mask doesn’t protect you from anyone it only stops you passing it on to someone else. The staff in my local pub are told to change them every twenty minutes as after that they are not effective. If they get wet or you touch them and touch your face you have a greater chance of catching the virus. The government won’t tell you this just advise you .
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Your second sentence contradicts itself.
 
td53 said:
I agree with the OP, the advice has been crap. That doesn't mean we're idiots. If a teacher stands at the front of the class and says "Right kids, I want you to write a story about a frog. No actually, a horse. No, actually, we'll do maths. Ok, A bit of maths, but a story at the same time, look, just do something, it's your education! But not till 9 days time. Right now we're doing history. Even though I said geography before." then when ofsted comes in, it won't wash to blame the kids for being confused.

That's what I feel like. I'm not stupid and I'll wear a mask where I think I'm potentially compromising others. I'm not going to start freaking out at the prospect of passing someone on the pavement for 1 second. But that doesn't mean the government advice hasn't been confusing and seemingly produced on the hoof and expressed in glib ways. I can both know what to do and at the same time acknowledge that the advice is confusing.

I feel a bit like a kid in the class above who has instead of listening to the teacher, just read the textbook and got on with what seems to make sense to them. I'm cracking on with it and fuck knows if it's what the teacher wants but it's seems like the best thing to do.

That's not great really and I don't think expecting some clarity in instructions is the same as expecting babying. Simple communication involves saying clearly what you want people to do and why you want them to do it. Giving some reasoning as to the benefit of that strategy. I have limited experience as a 'leader of people' but in that experience that rule seemed to work well enough in the workplace.

Clear message, clear reasoning, be open and don't over complicate it. To be honest, I think despite the much publicised stuff, most people have been pretty sound in general and tried to do what seems sensible.
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The problem is, as I see it, there's an awful lot of people who simply cannot comprehend anything unless it's absolutely spelt out in simple binary terms. The Prime Minister's verbal style is the antithesis of that, plus he's all too fond of improvisation which is sometimes at odds with the intended message.

I like your analogy. I'll do what I think is the right thing to do based on common sense and through analysis of what the experts say. I don't see there's an alternative.
 
Wizaard said:
The problem is, as I see it, there's an awful lot of people who simply cannot comprehend anything unless it's absolutely spelt out in simple binary terms. The Prime Minister's verbal style is the antithesis of that, plus he's all too fond of improvisation which is sometimes at odds with the intended message.

I like your analogy. I'll do what I think is the right thing to do based on common sense and through analysis of what the experts say. I don't see there's an alternative.
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Aye, he's a good speaker in a lot of ways, but he's not always the man to give that simple, unequivocal message and sober reasoning. I don't blame him in particular, it's just there seems to be a lot of umming and ahhing over things that feel like they should have been ruled in or out unequivocally. The 'you don't need a mask in a takeaway' - what? why? eh? It seemed just to be a random judgement out of nowhere after they'd laid out what seemed like a clear position.

I suppose a lot of it comes back to the way they themselves twisted the Cummings stuff and made the what seemed to be unequivocal rules seem like equivocal guidance.To torture the analogy (one of my favourite pastimes) it's a bit like when a teacher sets clear rules, but then lets one kid get away with breaking them. That then undermines them forever more to the rest of the class. Some kids will still obey, but plenty won't bother anymore.

I really don't want to retread that quagmire again, but anyone who has ever told a group of people what to do would recognise that whatever the legal position, insisting Dom had done nothing wrong would mean a significant group of people would henceforth go 'fuck it, I'm not paying any attention to you if your going to be like that'

People listen to integrity and that was breaking point for a lot of people. It was a bit like the suing of fans in that respect. Yes, technically they had a legal case but by exercising power in what seemed to be a clear abuse of the privilege of their position, a lot of people gave up on forcing themselves to tolerate the situation.

We've also seen a gradual parting of the message of government and science. In the outset it seemed to be very much 'Ok, here's a scientist to tell you the score' and now it seems to be a scientist in the background adding caveats if they get the chance.'
 
Having lived in Asia for BBC a while, it’s common practice to just wear one when you feel a bit under the weather. I hope that people being conscientious enough to wear them now can be the start of a long term change. It’s not just about protecting yourself, if you can stop spreading it (asymptomatically) then it dies it.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Yep, those scientists are just pulling our legs for a giggle.
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Which scientists?

The ones who have raised concerns about the improper use of masks etc.., the ones who support mask use as an additional, rather than alternative measure or the ones who don’t recognise the benefit of masks at all?

I’m not sure there are many scientists that recommend dropping social distancing and covering your face with useless material or badly fitted masks.

This government mask policy is about consumer confidence and has fuck all to do with public health.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
It's been said for months now that masks are an additional layer of protection against the spread of the virus, not a replacement for any of the other measures such as social distancing. If people still haven't got that into their heads by now, then we really are one of the thickest countries in the world.
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Yep... We’re definitely up there...

Only this morning a thick OAP was stood around a foot behind my Mrs in a queue, whilst proudly sporting his ill fitting 0% virus preventing mask.

Most people who wear them have huge gaps at the sides and are simply blowing out a trail of their germs behind them.

All the scientists worst fears being realised and a government who has failed to provide clear and accurate advice on the proper and safe use of masks.

They’d have been better not bothering than this shambles.
 
I can understand why some people might be recalcitrant about the forced wearing of masks, considering it was the same leaders telling us they were a waste of time not too long ago.
I still maintain we were deliberately misled to avoid stockpiling and mass panic buying of PPE needed on the front line.

I agree there should be more information about masks, in the same manner they concentrated on the washing hands & social distancing messaging. Just basic stuff like the best types to buy or best materials to make your own, design templates, best fit / sizes, closing gaps (inc. wire over nose), care putting on & taking off, use with glasses, don’t touch face or continue to re-adjust, how to wash, safe disposal, etc.

The advice, guidance and upscaling of quality masks has been really poor and open to interpretation, and that simply isn’t good enough.
 
Hong Kong experiencing another wave and are now going to make masks compulsory everywhere in public - indoors and outdoors - with £500 fines for non-compliance.
 
I went in a couple of supermarkets on Saturday and was very reassured to see everyone wearing masks. We're going to have to get used to it this Virus isn't going away.
 
If you think masks don't work then rather than bleating on all superior on AVFTT just don't wear one. Take the consequences and stop telling everyone how you know best on here!
 
In the last few weeks I have been leaned over, jostled, walked into all by people wearing masks. The false sense of security is real. Also what the government and their advisers have not spoken off is their disposal; again today I've seen used masks discarded in the street - gloves too. If we're serious about masks they have to be treated as clinical waste.

In Wales it was (belatedly) announced that masks are to be compulsory on public transport - but to be different they have specified that they have to be triple layered masks, which means that many of the non-medial, fabric / fashion masks people have bought will not comply with their new rules.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Yep... We’re definitely up there...

Only this morning a thick OAP was stood around a foot behind my Mrs in a queue, whilst proudly sporting his ill fitting 0% virus preventing mask.

Most people who wear them have huge gaps at the sides and are simply blowing out a trail of their germs behind them.

All the scientists worst fears being realised and a government who has failed to provide clear and accurate advice on the proper and safe use of masks.

They’d have been better not bothering than this shambles.
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At least the people in front of him didn't catch anything. If they are 5% ( across the whole population) effective that's about 2,300 lives saved and about a 15,000 reduction in cases. Every little helps.
 
Looks like the recent uptick in Spanish cases has occurred alongside the introduction of mandatory mask wearing.

Can’t say I’m surprised TBH....
 
Old_Laytonian said:
Saturday morning went to the gym no mask required. Then went to Morrisons and wore mask. I had a couple at my local no mask . This morning I went to the gym again and no mask needed, stopped of at the the local shop and put on mask . Then went out for lunch again no mask.
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Totally agree with you. Why have they waited all these months to bring it in and the haphazard places to be worn. It’s beyond my comprehension.
 
I thought you were protecting other people by wearing a mask?

I see Boris wasn’t wearing one today when meeting people and he was doing that pathetic elbow touch.👌
 
I was in Home Bargains in Fleetwood yesterday. Nearly all the customers were wearing masks, but 2 young women with small children in tow weren't! I'm at the age now when I'll challenge people and sod the consequences. When I challenged these 2, they murmured "asthma".

I have asthma too, but it didn't stop me masking up.

Saw them outside later smoking. Can't have been good for their asthma!

Still it's Fleetwood. It must be an asthma and cerebrally challenged hotspot.
 
Ollygon said:
I was in Home Bargains in Fleetwood yesterday. Nearly all the customers were wearing masks, but 2 young women with small children in tow weren't! I'm at the age now when I'll challenge people and sod the consequences. When I challenged these 2, they murmured "asthma".

I have asthma too, but it didn't stop me masking up.

Saw them outside later smoking. Can't have been good for their asthma!

Still it's Fleetwood. It must be an asthma and cerebrally challenged hotspot.
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It it was up to me, there would be no exceptions.
If you don’t or can’t wear a mask, you shouldn’t be anywhere near a shop.
 
Interestingly I’m spending a lot of time in Wales at the moment, where mask wearing in shops is not required. It is very noticeable how people in Wales are sticking to Social distancing whereas the English mask wearers are not.

Also interesting that despite the rabid mask wearing in Hong Kong, it has been the reduction in Social Distancing that has resulted in recent increases..... Well that and the fact that they have a community with practically no immunity at all.
 
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