Labour Party

Recidivist3 said:
Hardly covering themselves in glory …. anti-semitism weaponised by weapons

www.bbc.co.uk

Anti-Semitism used as factional weapon within Labour, says report

An internal inquiry finds the party's left and right both used anti-Semitism as a "factional weapon".
www.bbc.co.uk
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Which is why Starmer's early focus has had to be on cutting out the factionalism in the party. The Guardian article has party staffers saying that the current party is like night and day compared to the Corbyn years. It is now pulling in one direction, with the troublemakers cast out to the periphery.
 
Ir appears, according to the Guardian, the Indi, and other papers, that the Labour Party are to sue some of their own staff following on from the Forde report. Hmmmm.
 
Davepick said:
Unfortunately he's going to be there until 12th Sept.
Why TF can't he just GO?
Being a boring old GitIi watch the politics show on BBC T.V almost every day.
It's called 'getting old.
87 today. 😄
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Happy birthday Dave, grand old age, I’m just over 7 years behind you. Love for today
 
Davepick said:
Unfortunately he's going to be there until 12th Sept.
Why TF can't he just GO?
Being a boring old GitIi watch the politics show on BBC T.V almost every day.
It's called 'getting old.
87 today. 😄
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Happy birthday to the board Grandad. May you enjoy many more watching the Mighty. And congratulations to your missus for putting up with you
 
Davepick said:
Unfortunately he's going to be there until 12th Sept.
Why TF can't he just GO?
Being a boring old GitIi watch the politics show on BBC T.V almost every day.
It's called 'getting old.
87 today. 😄
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Happy Birthday Dave, you still looked as sprightly as ever last time I saw you, mind you were only 85 then. 😂🎂
 
Davepick said:
Unfortunately he's going to be there until 12th Sept.
Why TF can't he just GO?
Being a boring old GitIi watch the politics show on BBC T.V almost every day.
It's called 'getting old.
87 today. 😄
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Happy Birthday… hope you’ve been let off ironing duties today! 🎉
 
TSSeasider said:
"A culture of intellectual smugness."

What an observation
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🙄 Did you accidentally quote that out of context, TS

‘The report also criticises a "culture of intellectual smugness which exists at the extremes of the political spectrum" of Labour opinion’
 
Recidivist3 said:
🙄 Did you accidentally quote that out of context, TS

‘The report also criticises a "culture of intellectual smugness which exists at the extremes of the political spectrum" of Labour opinion’
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Did you accidently quote my quote out of context, Recidivist?

Labour have an issue in that they aren't particularly united and therefore the extremes of the political spectrum of Labour opinion, takes in an awful lot of their members.
 
Recidivist3 said:
🙄 I think we’ll have to disagree on what constitutes ‘extremes’
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I think Labour has got its act together. The Corbyn years were a mess. Now though, Labour has some real talent on the front bench, including Ms Rayner I would add. It also has good MPs on the backbenches. Faced with a Tory Party desperately following the Daily Mail's lead and likely to promote a Z-list Thatcher tribute act to be leader, it's time for all true left-wing people to gather behind Keir Starmer. Sometimes Recid, I wonder whether you want a left of centre Government. Labour is the only option.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I think Labour has got its act together. The Corbyn years were a mess. Now though, Labour has some real talent on the front bench, including Ms Rayner I would add. It also has good MPs on the backbenches. Faced with a Tory Party desperately following the Daily Mail's lead and likely to promote a Z-list Thatcher tribute act to be leader, it's time for all true left-wing people to gather behind Keir Starmer. Sometimes Recid, I wonder whether you want a left of centre Government. Labour is the only option.
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I work and get on really well with quite a few people close to Labour including one who works in LOTO's office (their term, not mine).

It's one of the reasons I was invited to meet with Lisa Nandy last week in Darlington.

Labour are currently, to the frustration of many inside Labour, deliberately operating in a policy vacuum for a number of reasons.

Firstly, why draw attention to yourself when the opposition are shooting themselves in the foot.

And, without any policies they aren't under scrutiny and therefore can pretty much say what they want.

And, the moment the policies are written, the internal fights begin.

All of this kind of makes sense at the moment; but I think I'd have probably tried to be more ambitious if I was in charge. Articulate why you're the better option by what you'll do; not by what you won't do

I think once the Tory leadership is settled in September, I think they will look at the next couple of years as an election campaign as they want to stay in power (and they are good at it). It's why I disagreed with LN over the phrase "Levelling Up is over" - it's not. The leadership campaign is about the members, after that is about staying in power, and they need the 'left behind' places to do that.

Labour won't be able to have no policies for much longer, it's at that point, the potential for factions and fractures will start again; which supports your point about swinging behind Starmer; but he kicked Corbyn out of the party, has hardly been supportive of the trades unions and is as dull as dish water - I'm not convinced he will be able to get the left to unite behind him - but we will see.
 
TSSeasider said:
I work and get on really well with quite a few people close to Labour including one who works in LOTO's office (their term, not mine).

It's one of the reasons I was invited to meet with Lisa Nandy last week in Darlington.

Labour are currently, to the frustration of many inside Labour, deliberately operating in a policy vacuum for a number of reasons.

Firstly, why draw attention to yourself when the opposition are shooting themselves in the foot.

And, without any policies they aren't under scrutiny and therefore can pretty much say what they want.

And, the moment the policies are written, the internal fights begin.

All of this kind of makes sense at the moment; but I think I'd have probably tried to be more ambitious if I was in charge. Articulate why you're the better option by what you'll do; not by what you won't do

I think once the Tory leadership is settled in September, I think they will look at the next couple of years as an election campaign as they want to stay in power (and they are good at it). It's why I disagreed with LN over the phrase "Levelling Up is over" - it's not. The leadership campaign is about the members, after that is about staying in power, and they need the 'left behind' places to do that.

Labour won't be able to have no policies for much longer, it's at that point, the potential for factions and fractures will start again; which supports your point about swinging behind Starmer; but he kicked Corbyn out of the party, has hardly been supportive of the trades unions and is as dull as dish water - I'm not convinced he will be able to get the left to unite behind him - but we will see.
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I hear what you say about Labour's tactics to date and agree a little. However, I do think that policies will begin to be articulated and drawn together as a holistic presentation. Bear in mind though an opposition has to respond to the Government and if Truss goes full tax cuts, funded by borrowing, the Labour Party will have to address that. A manifesto cannot be drawn up in a vacuum.
 
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