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Phil_bfc deux

Phil_bfc deux

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About all these protests on the streets of London spreading hate in our capital city

Every weekend since October 7th it's been gong on

Get the troops on the streets and disperse these terrorist sympathisers before it really kicks off

Well done to the football lads defending the Cenotaph btw
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
About all these protests on the streets of London spreading hate in our capital city

Every weekend since October 7th it's been gong on

Get the troops on the streets and disperse these terrorist sympathisers before it really kicks off

Well done to the football lads defending the Cenotaph btw
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I though the marches were in support of Palestine. Not Hamas.

Been made abundantly clear in the media all week that anyone displaying anything pro-Hamas would be arrested.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Is it fuck

Where were the protests when Assad carpet bombed Palestinians in Yarmouck?

It's all about Israel and anti Israel and you know it
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Yes there were protests in London. In fact there are regular protests and marches in London. The current marches are bigger and higher profile obviously.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
About all these protests on the streets of London spreading hate in our capital city

Every weekend since October 7th it's been gong on

Get the troops on the streets and disperse these terrorist sympathisers before it really kicks off

Well done to the football lads defending the Cenotaph btw
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Spot on Phil.
There are peaceful protests and there are hate protests.
Many I’ve seen on the news channels are promoting terrorism by supporting Hamas and calling for the extinction of the state of Israel.
Some protests I’ve seen were chanting hate towards western countries and burning flags including the UK can you imagine us doing this in their countries?
The police in this country seem absolutely clueless regards what is and isn’t allowed yet 5 of them can quickly arrest a black couple for driving their car through the streets of London completely innocent of any crime. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Mexboroseasider said:
Oh good. Just what the world needed. Another op spreading hate.
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Yeh and it goes both ways doesn't it Mex👍🏻
Whilst there are protests on the street calling for Jihad and nothing seems to be done about it people cannot carry a cross of St George or Union Jack on the street without the fear of arrest for inciting racism.
Is it any wonder that more people are getting angrier and frustrated when others are taking the piss out of our country 🤷
It's got to the stage where you either accept the fact you are a second class citizen in your own country and you should come to terms with that or be branded a far right bigot.

Let's just stick our fingers in our ears and sing la la la, I'm sure this will all go away 😔
 
spudgun said:
Nope. Me neither.

Care to explain what`s on your mind?
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I was asking the poster if he really understood what he posted, the lack of response indicates that he didn't.

I am all in favour of free speech, but I accept that there must be limits. If you are asking for absolutely free speech then you are, de facto, arguing for the right to view, possess and distribute material that, I would hope, all of us would find abhorrent.

So my question is, where is the line? If you're going to call for the rape and murder of Israeli children, and let's be clear, that is what they are doing, surely we should all be allowed to see images of this, and if we're not, is the bigger problem the images, or the rape and murder?
 
Wizzerboy said:
Yeh and it goes both ways doesn't it Mex👍🏻
Whilst there are protests on the street calling for Jihad and nothing seems to be done about it people cannot carry a cross of St George or Union Jack on the street without the fear of arrest for inciting racism.
Is it any wonder that more people are getting angrier and frustrated when others are taking the piss out of our country 🤷
It's got to the stage where you either accept the fact you are a second class citizen in your own country and you should come to terms with that or be branded a far right bigot.

Let's just stick our fingers in our ears and sing la la la, I'm sure this will all go away 😔
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The 100,000 people present on the March were not (by a long stretch) all supporters of Hamas, although I imagine a small minority would have been.

They were a calling for a ceasefire in the hope that would save the lives of some of the innocent children currently being slaughtered by the Israeli Defence Force.

I can’t see what’s wrong with that personally.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
The 100,000 people present on the March were not (by a long stretch) all supporters of Hamas, although I imagine a small minority would have been.

They were a calling for a ceasefire in the hope that would save the lives of some of the innocent children currently being slaughtered by the Israeli Defence Force.

I can’t see what’s wrong with that personally.
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If only eh🤷
 
Lost Seasider said:
I was asking the poster if he really understood what he posted, the lack of response indicates that he didn't.

I am all in favour of free speech, but I accept that there must be limits. If you are asking for absolutely free speech then you are, de facto, arguing for the right to view, possess and distribute material that, I would hope, all of us would find abhorrent.

So my question is, where is the line? If you're going to call for the rape and murder of Israeli children, and let's be clear, that is what they are doing, surely we should all be allowed to see images of this, and if we're not, is the bigger problem the images, or the rape and murder?
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Perhaps he didn`t reply because your post was incoherent bordering on weird?

What has "the right to view, possess and distribute material (presumably you mean child pornography which you referenced)" got to do with our rights to free speech?

Do you not understand that one is a serious criminal act and punishable in this country, and the other is allowed under our current laws?

There is absolutely no equivalence at all.

And your last sentence is just completely f*****` hat stand....
 
spudgun said:
Perhaps he didn`t reply because your post was incoherent bordering on weird?

What has "the right to view, possess and distribute material (presumably you mean child pornography which you referenced)" got to do with our rights to free speech?

Do you not understand that one is a serious criminal act and punishable in this country, and the other is allowed under our current laws?

There is absolutely no equivalence at all.

And your last sentence is just completely f*****` hat stand....
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Speech has a much wider meaning than mere words, the fact that you don't understand this, just go waste someone else's time please.
 
Oh you think people should have the free right to assemble and protest? You must like child porn then!

The resident big brain of avftt strikes again.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I haven’t seen anyone in this board who has defended Hamas and, as I have already said, most of the 100,000 people on the protest were also not supporting Hamas. They were calling for a ceasefire. Completely different things.
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"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free"

Do you know the meaning of that chant that approximately 50,000 people were chanting yesterday?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free"

Do you know the meaning of that chant that approximately 50,000 people were chanting yesterday?
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They were all singing it were they? All of them are breaking the law?

And you think it would be a good idea to send the military into the streets of London to go after tens of thousands of people marching peacefully. How do you think that will end up? Do you think that would be a wise escalation?
 
foggy said:
They were all singing it were they? All of them are breaking the law?

And you think it would be a good idea to send the military into the streets of London to go after tens of thousands of people marching peacefully. How do you think that will end up? Do you think that would be a wise escalation?
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Do you know the meaning of the chant?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Do you know the meaning of the chant?
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Yeah, I think it's deplorable, although I'm not sure how many people singing it really know it, or how many are singing it in the first place. The idea that everyone who attends these protests wants the eradication of all Israeli people is utter nonsense and transparent attempted justification for a pretty obvious case of someone wanted to shut down something they don't like - to the extent you want to send in the military to round up tens of thousands of civilians, inevitably leading to massive escalation with violence and riots in the streets of London.
 
foggy said:
Yeah, I think it's deplorable, although I'm not sure how many people singing it really know it, or how many are singing it in the first place. The idea that everyone who attends these protests wants the eradication of all Israeli people is utter nonsense and transparent attempted justification for a pretty obvious case of someone wanted to shut down something they don't like - to the extent you want to send in the military to round up tens of thousands of civilians, inevitably leading to massive escalation with violence and riots in the streets of London.
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The chant is illegal so the people chanting it should be arrested the facts that thousands of people were chanting it without being arrested shows the wokerey police aren't up to the task

So yeah send the troops in
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
The chant is illegal so the people chanting it should be arrested the facts that thousands of people were chanting it without being arrested shows the wokerey police aren't up to the task

So yeah send the troops in
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How many people were chanting it? Do they know the intent? How can you prove that?

Yeah this peaceful protest is too peaceful. Let's swap it for violence and riots that achieve nothing and only stoke up more tensions and division. Genius idea. We'll all give ourselves a bit pat on the back for our mighty show of military force as carnage and bloodshed overtakes the streets of London.
 
foggy said:
How many people were chanting it? Do they know the intent? How can you prove that?

Yeah this peaceful protest is too peaceful. Let's swap it for violence and riots that achieve nothing and only stoke up more tensions and division. Genius idea. We'll all give ourselves a bit pat on the back for our mighty show of military force as carnage and bloodshed overtakes the streets of London.
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The chant calls for Israel to be wiped out, i know you have said its a deplorable chant

So in my book the people chanting it aren't their to support Palestine in a peaceful way they are there to spread race hate and endorse terrorism

So yeah arrest them all, lock them up
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
The chant calls for Israel to be wiped out, i know you have said its a deplorable chant

So in my book the people chanting it aren't their to support Palestine in a peaceful way they are there to spread race hate and endorse terrorism

So yeah arrest them all, lock them up
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You claimed 50,000 people were chanting it. How do you think attempting to arrest 50,000 people will go?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
"From the rivers to the sea Palestine will be free"

Do you know the meaning of that chant that approximately 50,000 people were chanting yesterday?
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Meanwhile, in Wokeland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67245144

A 17-year-old boy has been charged over chants about the death of Sir Bobby Charlton which were filmed at a Manchester City match.

Greater Manchester Police has investigated footage from the match on Saturday, when the Manchester United legend's death was announced.
 
foggy said:
You claimed 50,000 people were chanting it. How do you think attempting to arrest 50,000 people will go?
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I don't care that's why I've said these so called 'peaceful marches' need to be stopped

It can't be a peaceful march if the chant that's because some sort of anthem for the cause gets sung by thousands of people

I've been told on this very thread that it's a peaceful march I'm saying it isn't and the reasons why it isn't

If you think it's fine for that chant to be sung then there isn't much point me debating with you
 
Lost Seasider said:
Meanwhile, in Wokeland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67245144

A 17-year-old boy has been charged over chants about the death of Sir Bobby Charlton which were filmed at a Manchester City match.

Greater Manchester Police has investigated footage from the match on Saturday, when the Manchester United legend's death was announced.
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How is this woke exactly? Phil suggested it was woke earlier to not arrest 50,000 people in a peaceful protest but apparently this arrest is woke. Hope this can be cleared up because my list of things that are now woke needs adding to. It's getting really hard to keep up these days.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I haven’t seen anyone in this board who has defended Hamas and, as I have already said, most of the 100,000 people on the protest were also not supporting Hamas. They were calling for a ceasefire. Completely different things.
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but you fail to acknowledge and criticise that a great many on the march were chanting deeply offensive anti-semitic words. Dress up anyway you want but any march with thousands of people chanting what they did can never be classed as peaceful. They were committing a hate offence. At least have the good grace to acknowledge that.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Oh good. Just what the world needed. Another op spreading hate.
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The opening poster clearly states that he wants the Government to do something about stopping people spreading hate.

I'm not even going in to this one in any big detail, if anybody thinks it is good to see large numbers of people with no respect for British values doing what they are doing on the streets of Britain then I will leave them to it.
 
20togo said:
brilliant stuff from the looney left. Thousands marching chanting anti semitic songs in a public place as opposed to a post on the obscure message board that is AVFTT. Let me think which is the one truly spreading hate!
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Tens, if not hundreds, of thousands.

Let that sink in.
 
20togo said:
but you fail to acknowledge and criticise that a great many on the march were chanting deeply offensive anti-semitic words. Dress up anyway you want but any march with thousands of people chanting what they did can never be classed as peaceful. They were committing a hate offence. At least have the good grace to acknowledge that.
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Actually although Suella Braverman claimed the chant “From the river to the sea Palestine will be free” was a hate crime the Met Police, after taking legal advice, decided it wasn’t, unless it was targeted at specific individuals or sung outside a synagogue. So unless that happened no crime was committed and it wasn’t illegal.

That said I agree with you to an extent and can see why people could regard it as a call for the destruction of Israel. And the end of the day though it’s only words. Meanwhile the ground invasion of Gaza has started and the civilian casualties are mounting. That’s why the protesters were calling for a ceasefire. They weren’t actually calling for the end of Israel.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Actually although Suella Braverman claimed the chant “From the river to the sea Palestine will be free” was a hate crime the Met Police, after taking legal advice, decided it wasn’t, unless it was targeted at specific individuals or sung outside a synagogue. So unless that happened no crime was committed and it wasn’t illegal.

That said I agree with you to an extent and can see why people could regard it as a call for the destruction of Israel. And the end of the day though it’s only words. Meanwhile the ground invasion of Gaza has started and the civilian casualties are mounting. That’s why the protesters were calling for a ceasefire. They weren’t actually calling for the end of Israel.
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That chant calls for an end to Israel
 
I deliberately avoided all news , on line reporting of said marches/protests so that I wouldn't get wound up and it worked
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Actually although Suella Braverman claimed the chant “From the river to the sea Palestine will be free” was a hate crime the Met Police, after taking legal advice, decided it wasn’t, unless it was targeted at specific individuals or sung outside a synagogue. So unless that happened no crime was committed and it wasn’t illegal.

That said I agree with you to an extent and can see why people could regard it as a call for the destruction of Israel. And the end of the day though it’s only words. Meanwhile the ground invasion of Gaza has started and the civilian casualties are mounting. That’s why the protesters were calling for a ceasefire. They weren’t actually calling for the end of Israel.
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I'd suggest that comment by the Met Police is a load of bollux and that you really know that. After all if there was a 100,000 white men marching to protest against immigration but they weren't doing it in highly populated immigration areas of the community then you'd think the Met Police would say it's fine. Of course it isn't. And neither were the chants yesterday. I think you know full well that it was an appeasement of the Arab/Muslim community living here. Have a look at the massive increase in anti semitic hate crime this last month.
 
20togo said:
I'd suggest that comment by the Met Police is a load of bollux and that you really know that. After all if there was a 100,000 white men marching to protest against immigration but they weren't doing it in highly populated immigration areas of the community then you'd think the Met Police would say it's fine. Of course it isn't. And neither were the chants yesterday. I think you know full well that it was an appeasement of the Arab/Muslim community living here. Have a look at the massive increase in anti semitic hate crime this last month.
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So are you going to sign the online petition for a ceasefire? No chants required. Or is the petition antisemitic too?
 
Will a these protests stop Israel? I can just imagine Netanyahu watching them thinking " knobheads" . If only Sir Keir asked for a ceasefire. That would have worked🤣
 
20togo said:
brilliant stuff from the looney left. Thousands marching chanting anti semitic songs in a public place as opposed to a post on the obscure message board that is AVFTT. Let me think which is the one truly spreading hate!
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If you refer to post 188 on the War Again thread you’ll see that the op referred to Gaza as a slum that should be flattened and that he had zero sympathy for the people under the rule of Hamas.

If that’s the sort of view you want to associate yourself with then that’s your obviously your choice.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Yeh and it goes both ways doesn't it Mex👍🏻
Whilst there are protests on the street calling for Jihad and nothing seems to be done about it people cannot carry a cross of St George or Union Jack on the street without the fear of arrest for inciting racism.
Is it any wonder that more people are getting angrier and frustrated when others are taking the piss out of our country 🤷
It's got to the stage where you either accept the fact you are a second class citizen in your own country and you should come to terms with that or be branded a far right bigot.

Let's just stick our fingers in our ears and sing la la la, I'm sure this will all go away 😔
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So long as you burn your St George's Cross or Union flag at the end you'll be OK.

People are being jailed for being English...
 
Old_Laytonian said:
Will a these protests stop Israel? I can just imagine Netanyahu watching them thinking " knobheads" . If only Sir Keir asked for a ceasefire. That would have worked🤣
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As Israel appears to have ignored pressure from the US to tone down their response, I agree the protests won’t bring about a ceasefire.

The problem is if you just go along with it (as the U.K. government and Starmer are both doing) then arguably you also become complicit in what are being condemned as war crimes.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
If you refer to post 188 on the War Again thread you’ll see that the op referred to Gaza as a slum that should be flattened and that he had zero sympathy for the people under the rule of Hamas.

If that’s the sort of view you want to associate yourself with then that’s your obviously your choice.
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Have I said anything even remotely like that in any of my posts? Deflection once again.
 
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