Intolerance

1966_and_all_that

1966_and_all_that

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I have just read a recent thread on this forum that has been closed for further comment. I don't need to name it or, indeed, to restate the points made. I just find it really depressing that so many of the posts had to be withdrawn because of comments that could possibly be viewed as, (or were definitely), racists. I thought we'd moved on as a country. Alas, I watch the news and read the press only to find that much of the world is sinking back into an abyss of intolerance and a desire for autocratic rule. Worse though is the sight of large numbers in first world democracies following this pattern, including some of our leading politicians. Those of us who were brought up in the beliefs that tolerance, kindness and consideration for others are good things that need to be preserved, have to stand strong against the intolerant, the racists and those who look to autocracy as the way forward for humanity. Even on a small, niche message board like this one we have to at least try to convince those with hatred at their core, that it is wrong. We should not be banning such people as a first option as that would be to embrace their beliefs. Fortunately, I think that a large majority of posters on here are good people. Including those whose politics I do not share. Up the Pool.
 
Agree 66

Unfortunately the means by which intolerance is expressed through cancel culture only fuels the extremists.

In addition to the ideals and beliefs you list, there was also a freedom to express alternative points of view and have open debate. Driving that out because of a lack of courage to face difficult issues leaves them unresolved - even if they are truly wicked problems.

Education, Education, Education.

For everyone across the political and social spectrum.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I have just read a recent thread on this forum that has been closed for further comment. I don't need to name it or, indeed, to restate the points made. I just find it really depressing that so many of the posts had to be withdrawn because of comments that could possibly be viewed as, (or were definitely), racists. I thought we'd moved on as a country. Alas, I watch the news and read the press only to find that much of the world is sinking back into an abyss of intolerance and a desire for autocratic rule. Worse though is the sight of large numbers in first world democracies following this pattern, including some of our leading politicians. Those of us who were brought up in the beliefs that tolerance, kindness and consideration for others are good things that need to be preserved, have to stand strong against the intolerant, the racists and those who look to autocracy as the way forward for humanity. Even on a small, niche message board like this one we have to at least try to convince those with hatred at their core, that it is wrong. We should not be banning such people as a first option as that would be to embrace their beliefs. Fortunately, I think that a large majority of posters on here are good people. Including those whose politics I do not share. Up the Pool.
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Some Good points there 1966.

Racism is a very touchy subject always has been on here the mods seem to jump into action without any hesitation.

Ive been called a racist for wanting to stop the boats arriving I won’t name the poster as he no longer seems to post on here it bothered me at first but I couldn’t give a flying fig anymore if truth be known.

If that’s the case then we have a lot of racists on the stop the boats thread who share similar views as I do.

Racism works both ways unfortunately I think there’s some on here who just don’t except that.
 
For me the two qualities that make me proud to be British is our tolerant national character and the respect that we have for the freedom of the individual.
We should cherish these things.
I would broaden the argument, at times on here there have been posters who would want to undermine our legal system when it doesn't return the decisions they would like. This undermining of our institutions is profoundly depressing and in my eyes not British. We have an independent judiciary for good reason and long may it continue.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Some Good points there 1966.

Racism is a very touchy subject always has been on here the mods seem to jump into action without any hesitation.

Ive been called a racist for wanting to stop the boats arriving I won’t name the poster as he no longer seems to post on here it bothered me at first but I couldn’t give a flying fig anymore if truth be known.

Racism works both ways unfortunately I think there’s some on here who just don’t except that.
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Agree about the Mods. They are selective. I have repeatedly railed against the word Mongs being in any way acceptable - but it still appears.
 
I see that Boris is saying Trump as President would be a good thing. Mental.

Intolerance would well and truly be in as he would be all out for revenge on his domestic opponents, while abroad, he's said he'd sort the Ukraine situation out by 'stopping USA treasure going to fund Ukraine'.

Bet Putin is doing all he can to help his mate along.
 
Just to be clear. I do agree with the mods taking down these comments. I just believe that posters who make these remarks need the chance to stay on the board and to be challenged by posters with a more tolerant view of different cultures and ethnicity.
 
Roy Kent said:
Agree about the Mods. They are selective. I have repeatedly railed against the word Mongs being in any way acceptable - but it still appears.
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It's just a word tho, Roy. I don't use it and don't think its particularly pleasant but why should the words posters use on a message board be censored unless they are overwhelmingly viewed as offensive ie the N word. I saw the word bitch used recently on here which I think is a disgusting word when used to describe a woman, but it's up to that poster to decide how he speaks/posts. Otherwise it's not a million miles away from cancel culture, and if they get banned as a result then it obviously is cancel culture.
 
As I'm getting older my attention span is diminishing i e I can't be arsed to read long winded posts. Please can someone summarise.Thank you
 
Cant believe I get suspended/barred for asking questions about Bury FC fans, Athers past history at BSA, membership numbers at BST, yet the moderators or admin here dont do anything regarding racist posters posting highly offensive stuff.
 
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todayistheday said:
Cant believe I get suspended/barred for asking questions about Bury FC fans, Athers past history at BSA, membership numbers at BST, yet the moderators or admin here dont do anything regarding racist posters posting highly offensive stuff.
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Man up titd. Stay on board, you often have something to say.
 
Shall I explain for the hard of thinking? The O/P is " Intolerance" . I said I couldn't be bothered reading it so I'm intolerant. I've got a bottle of red to drink so don't bother replying.
 
Old_Laytonian said:
Shall I explain for the hard of thinking? The O/P is " Intolerance" . I said I couldn't be bothered reading it so I'm intolerant. I've got a bottle of red to drink so don't bother replying.
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The correct word is 'dismissive.' Being dismissive doesn't make you intolerant, just lazy.
 
English Literature A level I'll have you know..it''s a bit useless nowadays. Although my wife does look pleasantly surprised when I answer some questions on University Challenge. Anyway Fuck off now I've found a 60's music channel. Bad Moon Rising at the.momemt.
 
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Dr Hfuhruhurr said:
It's just a word tho, Roy. I don't use it and don't think its particularly pleasant but why should the words posters use on a message board be censored unless they are overwhelmingly viewed as offensive ie the N word. I saw the word bitch used recently on here which I think is a disgusting word when used to describe a woman, but it's up to that poster to decide how he speaks/posts. Otherwise it's not a million miles away from cancel culture, and if they get banned as a result then it obviously is cancel culture.
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We usually agree on a lot Dr H, though maybe not here. If it’s just a word, well so is the N-‘word’, it’s just that as you say a determination has been made within society that one is offensive and should never be used and the other isn’? So Mong is somehow less offensive yet there are 1.5M people living in the uk with learning difficulties and even more with some form of mental illness.

By your logic, as it’s up to that poster to decide how they speak, then all words, including the N word are ok. But that is clearly not the case is it?

My point is that there is a strange, some might say inconsistent, sense of acceptance applied by the Mods.

The use of words is exceptionally important - and even more so where social identity is the target. Research any of the steps to Genocide to see just how many of them link to the use of language.

Read ‘Eichman in Jerusalem: The banality of evil’ by Hannah Arendt for more on how ordinary people can end up doing the most horrific of things through casual acceptance.

And no I am not accusing anyone on here of inciting genocide; but by the time we get to that point it will be too late because the classification etc will have been normalised.

For full disclosure I served in the military for 30+ years and I am now a mental health and young adult social care advisor in Cornwall.
 
Roy Kent said:
We usually agree on a lot Dr H, though maybe not here. If it’s just a word, well so is the N-‘word’, it’s just that as you say a determination has been made within society that one is offensive and should never be used and the other isn’? So Mong is somehow less offensive yet there are 1.5M people living in the uk with learning difficulties and even more with some form of mental illness.

By your logic, as it’s up to that poster to decide how they speak, then all words, including the N word are ok. But that is clearly not the case is it?

My point is that there is a strange, some might say inconsistent, sense of acceptance applied by the Mods.

The use of words is exceptionally important - and even more so where social identity is the target. Research any of the steps to Genocide to see just how many of them link to the use of language.

Read ‘Eichman in Jerusalem: The banality of evil’ by Hannah Arendt for more on how ordinary people can end up doing the most horrific of things through casual acceptance.

And no I am not accusing anyone on here of inciting genocide; but by the time we get to that point it will be too late because the classification etc will have been normalised.

For full disclosure I served in the military for 30+ years and I am now a mental health and young adult social care advisor in Cornwall.
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Interesting but what is your point? Is it that casual acceptance of hatred can take us anywhere? I think there are many, many social signifiers that have to become accepted before that can be even suggested.
Human beings in society can be taken to all sorts of beliefs. However, at a simple level we have learnt to disapprove of casual racism. The consensus is that such behaviour is repellent. A society that both suggests that and then accepts disapproval of such behaviour is one of which I approve.
 
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There is one truism in life and that's the softer the words get to describe adversity the more shit their lives become. Nutters and mental cases are no such thing they need 'care in the community' aka cheap option. Soldiers who have seen atrocities and come under fire don't have shellshock they have PTSD and can be left homeless or imprisoned. Now anyone can have PTSD if they're feeling a little upset. Words matter and softening them does nobody any good at all, quite the reverse.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Interesting but what is your point? Is it that casual acceptance of hatred can take us anywhere? I think there are many, many social signifiers that have to become accepted before that can be even suggested.
Human beings in society can be taken to all sorts of beliefs. However, at a simple level we have learnt to disapprove of casual racism. The consensus is that such behaviour is repellent. A society that both suggests that and then accepts disapproval of such behaviour is one of which I approve.
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I had typed out a really long response but the software timed me out and deleted it so I’ll just say my point is clearly stated in the post directly behind the word ‘My point is…’

As for the rest I’ll shorten it to no idea why you seem to be having a pop at me; yes casual hatred CAN and does take us anywhere otherwise there would be no more genocide or terrorism etc, because it all starts somewhere and the international intellectual consensus has formed around the steps to genocide which starts with classification - us and them. This starts in most cases with casual acceptance of hatred.
 
Roy Kent said:
I had typed out a really long response but the software timed me out and deleted it so I’ll just say my point is clearly stated in the post directly behind the word ‘My point is…’

As for the rest I’ll shorten it to no idea why you seem to be having a pop at me; yes casual hatred CAN and does take us anywhere otherwise there would be no more genocide or terrorism etc, because it all starts somewhere and the international intellectual consensus has formed around the steps to genocide which starts with classification - us and them. This starts in most cases with casual acceptance of hatred.
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No pop being had at you at all. I stick to the arguments. You made a number of, seemingly, unconnected points in your post and I wanted to understand how you were connecting them. That's all.
 
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