I like Dobbie he may just be the answer

fcblackpool said:
Difficult to come up with an alternative, remembering it needs to be a permanent appointment and not like Critchleys 2 who basically were here helping out until they found something else.
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Thommo is a good bloke but his time has come and gone.
Head coaches have nearly always brought in an assistant that they feel comfortable with. If Dobbie is the man it should be his decision alone
 
BFC_53 said:
Stats don't ever tell a full story, and neither does experience automatically mean it makes you better. Sometimes you have to trust your gut feeling and mine right now is telling me that SD will make a good manager. It's a risk, but so is any appointment, and I think it's quite striking that in four managerial appointments so far by this board, the only one that was successful was the one with no experience or track record. Not only that, but the only two managers in the last four decades to get us promoted out of league one were both in their first managerial posts.

You've really got to look beyond the historical win % and get a real understanding of whether someone is suitable - how does he cope under pressure? How does he manage the team? How does he speak about the players in public? Do the players respond to the manager? What style of play does he prefer? Does the style suit the players? How has his teams performed as an underdog vs when expected to win? SD is ticking a lot of these boxes. He's not the only one I'd be happy with, but sometimes the answer is actually staring you right in the face.
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Being a good motivator is key, which I believe he is. From what I saw early on with the dev team etc and what I've seen since, that's not changed. He's looked a good coach too.

He's loved by fans, he'll already have respect of players, but that'll help, as they know we're behind him 100%.

He's been there and done it for Blackpool. So that is a message that can be passed on, also helps with the players respecting what he has done. He's been in big pressure moments for us as a player, so can pass on that experience first hand.

He loves the club, you can see this when we win, the passion is undeniable. When players and fans see that, how much it means, it translates to them, it already means that much to fans but to see it with a manager is great, helps build a connection and feelgood.

When BFC has a feelgood, good things happen here, based off the past.

He's shown he can be brave, dropping Maxwell, who is apparently a big voice, a strong early decision for someone with 'no experience'.

We can see what he's trying to do with the football, he's played in some of our best Blackpool teams and other sides, knows about what it takes, styles of play etc.

He's spoken positively and well for me, given he's relatively new to that side of football really.
 
Seems pretty clear to me, he should be given the job, If SD was currently doing this elsewhere , his name would be in the frame as the sort of manager/coach we should be looking at. This has the added bonus in that he is already here. I would like to think that even our board can make the correct call.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
He's played wide in a front 3 before and what other options did we have at the time?
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Wright
Lavery
Poveda
CJ
Jerry

All better suited than Beesley to play that role.
(Edit: and all we're available to play that role in the games where Beesley was selected there)

Appleton got a bad hand with injuries but he was also dogshit, there's no defending him.

People say the red cards weren't his fault but they were. He had us too open at the back. Evidence - we haven't got as many red cards since he left.

He was a terrible manager and a terrible appointment. The fans knew it. Hence his reception.
 
JJpool said:
He's shown he can be brave, dropping Maxwell, who is apparently a big voice, a strong early decision for someone with 'no experience'.
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He actually bottled that one as it was plain as day Maxwell's confidence was shot and he was a liability.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
What I like about him Is that he's not trying to be too clever, just playing the players he has in their correct positions and playing to their strengths

Something the last bloke just didn't do

It's probably a bit late now for us to stay up but I like the way he's trying to play football with actual footballers

I'm not sure who else wants the job but if it's some of the long ball merchants that have been mentioned then I would rather we go for Dobbie

Let him bring in his own backroom team and support him

As Wellens said the other week its all about players and if you haven't got the players you are pissing in the wind

So it's all down to Sadler to spend some money and actually invest properly in the first team squad

So give Dobbie the job and some money for better players
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That will do for me its the equivalent of the Hollywood handshake
 
TangerineYfronts said:
Keogh not been up to much at Ipswich - clearly all is not well.....
9 games played
342 minutes
4 starts
1 subbed off
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Agree he is less effective with age, but he was undoubtably a leader last season.
Another who will probably go into coaching and management and could do well.
 
There seems to be an argument against Dobbie which is: "well he has to go for it, so this isn't a real representation of his quality as a manager".

I don't think we've improved because we're just going for it, that wouldn't make sense either as McCarthy was setting us up defensively and we were losing by 3 or 4 goals. If Dobbie came in and went for it with players doing that badly, we should be getting smashed by even more goals.

We look more organised, and like we have an actual game plan - we had a brief period under Appleton where that was the case as well, but outside of that we've gone all season looking like a clueless, disorganised mess. We look better going forward because the players look like they know what's needed/wanted from 'em, we beat Birmingham playing a winger from city upfront for christ sake!

He's definitely making a case for me, there are definitely arguments of why it might not work out but with each game they're getting more illegitimate. Just because it's his first job doesn't mean it can't be a success, look at Critchley and Grayson who did it right here.
 
TangerinePeel said:
There seems to be an argument against Dobbie which is: "well he has to go for it, so this isn't a real representation of his quality as a manager".

I don't think we've improved because we're just going for it, that wouldn't make sense either as McCarthy was setting us up defensively and we were losing by 3 or 4 goals. If Dobbie came in and went for it with players doing that badly, we should be getting smashed by even more goals.

We look more organised, and like we have an actual game plan - we had a brief period under Appleton where that was the case as well, but outside of that we've gone all season looking like a clueless, disorganised mess. We look better going forward because the players look like they know what's needed/wanted from 'em, we beat Birmingham playing a winger from city upfront for christ sake!

He's definitely making a case for me, there are definitely arguments of why it might not work out but with each game they're getting more illegitimate. Just because it's his first job doesn't mean it can't be a success, look at Critchley and Grayson who did it right here.
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Definitely. Holding on to a lead twice, two clean sheets which were, mad scramble at Brum aside, relatively comfortable.
 
td53 said:
Play Chris Maxwell 😂
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No… Not having that…

What I said was, if the manager picks Maxwell, then he’ll have my support, that the abuse of Maxwell was out of order, that I could understand the rationale of bringing him back and that I don’t believe there’s much between him and Grimshaw…

I will add that Maxwell’s performances have deteriorated significantly in recent games and that change was necessary.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
No… Not having that…

What I said was, if the manager picks Maxwell, then he’ll have my support, that the abuse of Maxwell was out of order, that I could understand the rationale of bringing him back and that I don’t believe there’s much between him and Grimshaw…

I will add that Maxwell’s performances have deteriorated significantly in recent games and that change was necessary.
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I never abused Maxwell. I just think Grimmy is notably better...
 
td53 said:
I never abused Maxwell. I just think Grimmy is notably better...
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I wasn’t suggesting you did 👍

He was the subject of abuse though…

I’m not convinced about Grimshaw… never have been, but he will have my support so long as he’s playing for us.
 
JJpool said:
His control has mostly been alright recently. Yes at times his touches can be horrendous but can be fine too. He's hit and miss. But at least he does stuff when at it, unlike some.

The crossing stats you claim are complete rubbish, a lot of the time he does get a ball in, there's no one else able to really get a good ball in consistently and many hit the first man from loads of different players.

His pace allows him at times to get back and cover their advancing wingers.

I like Dale in some respects, if he had CJ's pace he might be really good, but he doesn't.

CJ is a useful asset to have. Frustrating sometimes, useful others.

If played in correctly no one can catch him and no one else could really have got in anyway, so may as well use that and take advantage of the times he comes good.

A lot of our better moments this season involved him.

He's not perfect, but especially against lesser opposition if in league 1, surely he's an asset even from the bench, unless we bring in better, which I doubt we will.
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My crossing stats aren't rubbish, and the " a lot of our better moments this season involved him" when? He scored an open goal in a derby game and one cut back and I can't think of any other time?

He generally gets the ball into good areas less than 1 in 10 crosses. Watch games back, I bet I'm right or at least close.

He's been poor in the majority and I mean majority of his appearances as a Blackpool player. And roughly 80/90% of his appearances have been 6 out of 10 or less.
 
SeasideKurt said:
My crossing stats aren't rubbish, and the " a lot of our better moments this season involved him" when? He scored an open goal in a derby game and one cut back and I can't think of any other time?

He generally gets the ball into good areas less than 1 in 10 crosses. Watch games back, I bet I'm right or at least close.

He's been poor in the majority and I mean majority of his appearances as a Blackpool player. And roughly 80/90% of his appearances have been 6 out of 10 or less.
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They are, 1 in 10 ends up in the stand... I appreciate you were making a point, but he's one of our better ones at crossing.

The open goal you refer to wasn't an easy chance, he took it brilliantly, on his weak foot I think.

He's put some decent balls in these last 2 seasons.

This season he played a blinder in the PNE game, set up one at Coventry, Watford, did well and scored a beauty in the cup vs forest. Lots he's put in we've not taken advantage of.

As said he's far from perfect, but a useful asset.

Here's an example of such a cross, the type he can put in, looks simple, but watch how few others can do it.

 
JJpool said:
They are, 1 in 10 ends up in the stand... I appreciate you were making a point, but he's one of our better ones at crossing.

The open goal you refer to wasn't an easy chance, he took it brilliantly, on his weak foot I think.

He's put some decent balls in these last 2 seasons.

This season he played a blinder in the PNE game, set up one at Coventry, Watford, did well and scored a beauty in the cup vs forest. Lots he's put in we've not taken advantage of.

As said he's far from perfect, but a useful asset.

Here's an example of such a cross, the type he can put in, looks simple, but watch how few others can do it.

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You can't get away with having 1 good game in 10 matches. The fact you can only picks out 3, even then he was anonymous for a lot of the Preston game bar a bit at the start says everything I need to know. He didn't play a blinder in the PNE game, he had a good 20 minutes.

He isn't good enough and we need to get our mentality sorted, we had the same with Turton, he wasn't good enough and we got rid when we should and we have 2 far superior right backs than Turton will ever be. Time we do the same with CJ. He makes us play worse because we try use his "strengths".

Even the video you show, shows exactly what I am talking about. He looks awkward as fuck and doesn't even look like a footballer. Sunday league players have more skill. It's a really good cross and in reality he should never ever get a cross in with the way he played it. But all it makes us do is clip it over the full back into the channel. I can name you lots of games this season where he's been anonymous because the opposition have done their research on him.
 
@JJpool if we released CJ and you saw him up against Gabriel or Lyon’s would you be at all worried?

Or would you expect a Championship club to get him?

If we magically stayed up he has to go. If we go down it’s whatever. It’s probably his level.
 
SeasideKurt said:
You can't get away with having 1 good game in 10 matches. The fact you can only picks out 3, even then he was anonymous for a lot of the Preston game bar a bit at the start says everything I need to know. He didn't play a blinder in the PNE game, he had a good 20 minutes.

He isn't good enough and we need to get our mentality sorted, we had the same with Turton, he wasn't good enough and we got rid when we should and we have 2 far superior right backs than Turton will ever be. Time we do the same with CJ. He makes us play worse because we try use his "strengths".
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Your bias is showing.

I think even pne couldn't believe he'd only played as a sub was it after we played them.

That's 4 from the top of my head, I don't have all of CJs crosses stored in my brain.

He was with us for a reason, if his touch and decision making was better he'd be playing top end of the championship.

If he's replaced with someone better fine, but he is still a useful asset to me and all managers pick him.

Here's another example of when he put crosses in.

Wizaard said:
CJ put three chances on a plate against WBA. It's not his fault others missed them.
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JJpool said:
Your bias is showing.

I think even pne couldn't believe he'd only played as a sub was it after we played them.

That's 4 from the top of my head, I don't have all of CJs crosses stored in my brain.

He was with us for a reason, if his touch and decision making was better he'd be playing top end of the championship.

If he's replaced with someone better fine, but he is still a useful asset to me and all managers pick him.

Here's another example of when he put crosses in.
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My bias for what? The guy is not good enough. And he, along with 5 others who are not good enough is why we are in this mess. The only bias I can see here is from you? Blind defence. How many goals has he scored in two season? 2? In 60 games?
 
I am coming around to Dobbie myself, but still have some doubts, we have undoubtedly been better and more organized under him, but my main worry is that this period that he's managing under is a red herring due to the fact that he's been able to manage with virtually no pressure.

He came in when we were all but down so it would be very easy to show any type of improvement.

However, he has undeniably got us playing better than MM and arguably MA too and these past few games don't count for nothing IMO.

Wouldn't be upset at all if he was appointed alongside an experienced director of football.

I ultimately want us to go down the route of a young, up and coming manager with fire in their belly to inject some life into the squad and get us playing the right way (Brian Barry-Murphy or Pete Wild) and Dobbie would definitely fit into that category.
 
SeasideKurt said:
@JJpool if we released CJ and you saw him up against Gabriel or Lyon’s would you be at all worried?

Or would you expect a Championship club to get him?

If we magically stayed up he has to go. If we go down it’s whatever. It’s probably his level.
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Well they can't defend all that well so....

It depends, he can be very dangerous, or can be completely useless, hit and miss.

Tbh he's OK for where we're at as a useful option. In the championship to progress though we'll need better ultimately, but hes still been useful.

In league 1 he's a useful asset.
 
SeasideKurt said:
My bias for what? The guy is not good enough. And he, along with 5 others who are not good enough is why we are in this mess. The only bias I can see here is from you? Blind defence. How many goals has he scored in two season? 2? In 60 games?
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The way you play down his PNE performance.

I've said the guys hit and miss but at least acknowledge when he's done well.

CJ is not the reason we're not good enough this season. There's been some worse performers who should be doing better.
 
Good to see CJ receiving some resounding motivation before our shit or bust outing on Friday night 😕

For what it's worth I will always remember seeing him make the difference for us during those weird days when we were inching out of lockdown. Don't think I'll ever forget those days, sat yards apart dressed up like astronauts watching Blackpool play at home.
 
Insider said:
If we stay up next season it's all about the players. The current squad has shown its not good enough so the summer recruitment is absolutely crucial.
If we go down next season its more about the Manager getting the best out of a squad we have and recruitment, whilst still important, will not be quite as important and far easier. Clearly Dobbie will be better equipped in the latter scenario although that's not to say I'm ruling him out as a Championship manager.
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If we are still in the Championship next season, he deserves a statue never mind the managers job.
At least 7 or 8 will be released or will not sign whichever league we end up in.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
I am coming around to Dobbie myself, but still have some doubts, we have undoubtedly been better and more organized under him, but my main worry is that this period that he's managing under is a red herring due to the fact that he's been able to manage with virtually no pressure.

He came in when we were all but down so it would be very easy to show any type of improvement.

However, he has undeniably got us playing better than MM and arguably MA too and these past few games don't count for nothing IMO.

Wouldn't be upset at all if he was appointed alongside an experienced director of football.

I ultimately want us to go down the route of a young, up and coming manager with fire in their belly to inject some life into the squad and get us playing the right way (Brian Barry-Murphy or Pete Wild) and Dobbie would definitely fit into that category.
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⬆️ this is totally where I'm at with the Dobbie debate
 
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