How many do we need to lose/bring in

HatfulofHollow said:
With the loans all returning (have we got 4?), how many players do we realistically need to lose and then bring in?

I'd say 7 to go and 10 to bring in (and please ship out CJ!).
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I think we need to get Rhodes signed up as a player/coach, his experience will be invaluable to our young strike force, I also think Carey and Morgan will be excellent next season with young Rob Apter in the Dembele role. Coulson could be worth signing up, and good replacements need to be found for Marv and Hubby if they don't sign new contracts. Further competition should be sought for the spine of the team, centre half, holding midfielder and a striker. We must remember though , that singning the finished article in these departments can cost stupid money even in this league.
 
Fatboy said:
I think we need to get Rhodes signed up as a player/coach, his experience will be invaluable to our young strike force, I also think Carey and Morgan will be excellent next season with young Rob Apter in the Dembele role. Coulson could be worth signing up, and good replacements need to be found for Marv and Hubby if they don't sign new contracts. Further competition should be sought for the spine of the team, centre half, holding midfielder and a striker. We must remember though , that singning the finished article in these departments can cost stupid money even in this league.
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Agree with much of this.

Carey is yet to convince me though - his final ball is poor and for much of the season he goes missing in games.

Rhodes on 1+1 with a view to coaching would be shrewd.

Byers would be an incredible piece of business and Coulson would also be a welcome permanent addition.

Can’t help but feel we desperately need some physical presence and height in the middle of the park.

An additional forward (on top of Rhodes) who knows where the goal is, is an absolute imperative too.

Dembele will be gone and putting all that pressure on Apter to replace him is madness - so another tricky midfielder is most definitely required.

I’d like a proper left sided CB if we’re continuing with 3 CB‘s and we certainly need at least 1 player capable of playing on both wings even as an option from the bench - as currently CJ seems to be plan A, B, C and D for width and pace and he offers very little bar the 2/3 games a season he’s unplayable.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Agree with much of this.

Carey is yet to convince me though - his final ball is poor and for much of the season he goes missing in games.

Rhodes on 1+1 with a view to coaching would be shrewd.

Byers would be an incredible piece of business and Coulson would also be a welcome permanent addition.

Can’t help but feel we desperately need some physical presence and height in the middle of the park.

An additional forward (on top of Rhodes) who knows where the goal is, is an absolute imperative too.

Dembele will be gone and putting all that pressure on Apter to replace him is madness - so another tricky midfielder is most definitely required.

I’d like a proper left sided CB if we’re continuing with 3 CB‘s and we certainly need at least 1 player capable of playing on both wings even as an option from the bench - as currently CJ seems to be plan A, B, C and D for width and pace and he offers very little bar the 2/3 games a season he’s unplayable.
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Certainly add more physical presence with another striker on top of Rhodes. 10ft plus at corners 😏
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HatfulofHollow said:
With the loans all returning (have we got 4?), how many players do we realistically need to lose and then bring in?

I'd say 7 to go and 10 to bring in (and please ship out CJ!).
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We have 4 forwards who would all be 3rd or 4th choice elsewhere. We are missing far too many chances and need quality up front.

I'd look to mainly invest there but also secure the out of contract Byers. A midfield three of him, Carey and Morgan would at least look to play forward, and a better calibre of forward would get some decent ball.

Dembele would be a signature signing but the likelihood is he'll be playing Championship football next season. You never know if we go up...
 
Midfield needs a lot of work - the signing of Byers has really shown up how sub standard our other midfielders are imo. Apter will be a good addition, and we've yet to see if Finnigan is any good. But really if we're serious about promotion, Byers is the standard of player we need to be aiming for, and that won't be cheap. That's the reality of it.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Agree with much of this.

Carey is yet to convince me though - his final ball is poor and for much of the season he goes missing in games.

Rhodes on 1+1 with a view to coaching would be shrewd.

Byers would be an incredible piece of business and Coulson would also be a welcome permanent addition.

Can’t help but feel we desperately need some physical presence and height in the middle of the park.

An additional forward (on top of Rhodes) who knows where the goal is, is an absolute imperative too.

Dembele will be gone and putting all that pressure on Apter to replace him is madness - so another tricky midfielder is most definitely required.

I’d like a proper left sided CB if we’re continuing with 3 CB‘s and we certainly need at least 1 player capable of playing on both wings even as an option from the bench - as currently CJ seems to be plan A, B, C and D for width and pace and he offers very little bar the 2/3 games a season he’s unplayable.
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I'm not sure Byers is the answer, he's a good player , but, I don't think he has the physicality or the pace for what we want. Yesterday he looked like he was running through Treacle on a few occasions. I've watched Carey very closely a number of times, and I like what I see. he is a very intelligent young player, who for me needs games. The way Critchley tinkers with the team week in, week out doesn't help any of the players never mind the young lads trying to settle into a system that clearly hasn't worked to our advantage every week.
 
Fatboy said:
I'm not sure Byers is the answer, he's a good player , but, I don't think he has the physicality or the pace for what we want. Yesterday he looked like he was running through Treacle on a few occasions. I've watched Carey very closely a number of times, and I like what I see. he is a very intelligent young player, who for me needs games. The way Critchley tinkers with the team week in, week out doesn't help any of the players never mind the young lads trying to settle into a system that clearly hasn't worked to our advantage every week.
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Byers is absolutely miles ahead of any of our midfielders. Country miles. Arguably one of the best in the league
 

Briggsysgonagetya said:
Keep: Grimmy, Gabriel, Casey, Husband, Morgan, Carey, Lyons, Apter, Joseph

The rest can go along with Critchley
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Agree with most of the above, not sure about Hubby rather keep Marv or Pennington and think Kouassi is worth another year, but yes rest can go and look to rebuild.
 
Rhodes, Dembele, Byers, Coulson, Ekpiteta, Carey, Lavery, Husband and Virtue are all set leave. I'm sure Grimshaw and Gabriel will have suitors, if the right offers come in, I'm sure they will be sold. Then we have probably another 3 or 4 that just aren't good enough. I'd expect 10 out, 10 in and our recruitment team will have to have a lot better summer than they did last season.
 
We have a winger who puts one good cross in for a goal out of 15 games and suddenly he’s a good player. We play with 10 men every game CJ Hamilton plays.
 
bfcpete said:
We will probably also have to replace Husband and Ekpiteta.
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I fear that Jordan G may also move on, as he appears not be be one of NC's favourites!
I also hope the vultures don't come in for Grimmy, whose had an excellent season (our families player of the season).
I can't see CJ going anywhere. NC & SS have given him a 4 year contract & favours him to start in most games.
 
Critchley must go, I feel a protest coming on, let’s have Simon at the Hilton, I see to remember the previous custodian held a meeting there and it went, well yes, it actually went.
 
I would get Grimshaw to sign a new contract along with Marvin and Husband. I would sign Coulson, Byers and Rhodes. I would get rid of Norburn, Carey, Lavery and sell Joseph. We need a left sided centre back, two wingers to play with Apter and we need three decent strikers. Obviously going to cost us money this summer
 
BpoolFred34 said:
I would get Grimshaw to sign a new contract along with Marvin and Husband. I would sign Coulson, Byers and Rhodes. I would get rid of Norburn, Carey, Lavery and sell Joseph. We need a left sided centre back, two wingers to play with Apter and we need three decent strikers. Obviously going to cost us money this summer
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or go for the keeper at Burnley. didnt he come from league one. james trafford. or they will keep him . After that howler yesterday
 
With 4 Key loans going back, More than likely losing Ekpiteta Husband Connolly Lavery Virtue and O'Donnell, and a lot of our current strikers very poor, we have a massive rebuild job on. Could be 8-10 signings needed.
 
If you are talking 8-10 then they need to come in early so they can bed in before points are at stake. It’s very poor that we have to replace such a large number of players
 
Tangerine1953! said:
He controls the game. What is it exactly you think we need?
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As I mentioned in my post, I believe we need more physicality with a good amount of pace, someone like an Andy Morrison. That sort of quality is hard to come by these days . It is ,however only my opinion but that’s the way I see it .
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Agree with much of this.

Carey is yet to convince me though - his final ball is poor and for much of the season he goes missing in games.

Rhodes on 1+1 with a view to coaching would be shrewd.

Byers would be an incredible piece of business and Coulson would also be a welcome permanent addition.

Can’t help but feel we desperately need some physical presence and height in the middle of the park.

An additional forward (on top of Rhodes) who knows where the goal is, is an absolute imperative too.

Dembele will be gone and putting all that pressure on Apter to replace him is madness - so another tricky midfielder is most definitely required.

I’d like a proper left sided CB if we’re continuing with 3 CB‘s and we certainly need at least 1 player capable of playing on both wings even as an option from the bench - as currently CJ seems to be plan A, B, C and D for width and pace and he offers very little bar the 2/3 games a season he’s unplayable.
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Lyon’s is a very capable player for either wing imo. I just hope he gets the chance next season. Byers would be a great signing and Coulson is realistic.
If we could get a fee for Lavery, I would sell him. Same for Kouassi. I’d sell Carey too. Maybe one or two others, depending on incoming.
Agree about Rhodes for experience. Player coach.
Apter will integrate into first team, if not straight away.
 
Fatboy said:
I'm not sure Byers is the answer, he's a good player , but, I don't think he has the physicality or the pace for what we want. Yesterday he looked like he was running through Treacle on a few occasions. I've watched Carey very closely a number of times, and I like what I see. he is a very intelligent young player, who for me needs games. The way Critchley tinkers with the team week in, week out doesn't help any of the players never mind the young lads trying to settle into a system that clearly hasn't worked to our advantage every week.
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I’d have Byers over Carey any day.
 
Sandgrown1 said:
Lyon’s is a very capable player for either wing imo. I just hope he gets the chance next season. Byers would be a great signing and Coulson is realistic.
If we could get a fee for Lavery, I would sell him. Same for Kouassi. I’d sell Carey too. Maybe one or two others, depending on incoming.
Agree about Rhodes for experience. Player coach.
Apter will integrate into first team, if not straight away.
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Lyons will not be fit until well into next season!
 
Right we will probably get Rhodes and everyone will be giddy, I wouldn't bother with Rhodes as it forces us into a set system

We won't be able to afford Byers wages and Dembele will either get a chance in France or go to a top Championship team

The left back I'm 50/50 on

We lose all the players who are out of contract as none of them want to sign

So we probably need about 14 new players

Good luck with that
 
Lavery can go, injury prone and takes too long to get going after an injury.
I like Husband but he's been hit and miss.
Ekpiteta is our best defender but doesn't fit the system.
Rhodes is worth a punt permanently if the deal suits both parties.
Dembele, no chance but it's been fun and at least we have Apter coming back.
Byers is highly doubtful but would be a real coup.
Coulson we'd take and could have a chance.
Gabriel might go but only if we get the right offer which allows us to strengthen elsewhere.
Virtue doesn't look like ever being a starter, same for Kouassi.
Connolly has looked clueless in this formation.


We'll need about eight to ten new players next season but we already have Apter coming back. We'll dip into the loan market which is a bit of a lottery but has served us well this season. That will leave us needing between around 5 or six perm signings and not all of them will need to be guaranteed starters from the off.

It's a significant rebuild but it's achievable. I'll be quite happy to get some fresh blood through the door after this season.
 
Sandgrown1 said:
Lyon’s is a very capable player for either wing imo. I just hope he gets the chance next season. Byers would be a great signing and Coulson is realistic.
If we could get a fee for Lavery, I would sell him. Same for Kouassi. I’d sell Carey too. Maybe one or two others, depending on incoming.
Agree about Rhodes for experience. Player coach.
Apter will integrate into first team, if not straight
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Phil_bfc deux said:
Right we will probably get Rhodes and everyone will be giddy, I wouldn't bother with Rhodes as it forces us into a set system

We won't be able to afford Byers wages and Dembele will either get a chance in France or go to a top Championship team

The left back I'm 50/50 on

We lose all the players who are out of contract as none of them want to sign

So we probably need about 14 new players

Good luck with that
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Massive rebuild ahead this summer, basically we are looking at nearly a new starting ten outfield. Now is the time for Critch to build a team around his precious system. I think this is what Critchley has been waiting for and he’s sold this plan to SS. He will be given this summer to do this (and hopefully sufficient funds) and we will have to keep our fingers crossed it comes good. We need to be off to a flyer next season or Critch will be under enormous pressure (quite rightly)
 
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The Catcher in the Rye said:
Massive rebuild ahead this summer, basically we are looking at nearly a new starting ten outfield. Now is the time for Critch to build a team around his precious system. I think this is what Critchley has been waiting for and he’s sold this plan to SS. He will be given this summer to do this (and hopefully sufficient funds) and we will have to keep our fingers crossed it comes good. We need to be off to a flyer next season or Critch will be under enormous pressure (quite rightly)
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I don' think we need 10 out field players! If Critch is still here next season and he continues with the same system then I believe we only need 7 new first team players.

GK Grimmy (Plus keep O'Donnell as back up)
RWB Gabriel/Lyons
LWB CJ, Thompson (although I would sell CJ if we ever got an offer 50p would do!)
CB Pennington/Casey (We need a left sided CB not sure Sassi is the answer, probably needs a year on loan)
CM Norburn/Morgan/Carey (Need another player here, Finnegan is an unknown quantity)
AM Apter (Need another player here, big ask on a young player to do it all season)
CF Joseph/Beesley/Kouassi (Need at least 2 quality strikers)

I believe we need 1 X LWB, 2 X CB, 1 X CM, 1 X AM & 2 X CF.

Add to that a couple of decent loan players and we have a decent squad, still a big ask to get the players we want but keeping Byers, Coulson & Rhodes would be a good start.

Getting rid of Connolly, Marv, Hubby, Lavery, Virtue, Plus hopefully selling Beesley, CJ & Thompson will free up some money in the wage budget.
 
we are where we are for 2 reasons Critchley is out of his depth as a first team Head Coach and playing a system that the players that we have are simply not good enough.secondly in regards to our recruiting in general is very poor and has been for the last 3 seasons to be fair we are where we are because our owner Sadler does not like other clubs in the Championship and league 1 pay transfer fees Critchley and Sadler had a plan which has simply back fired on both of them and that was to recruit with a very small budget hoping that these cheap options that the headmaster brought in to the club he could develop them in to better players it has simply not happened.

so where do you we go from hear well the first thing we need to do is have a big clear out and when I say that I mean a big clear out we need up to 8 or more Quality signings get shut off the drift wood players at the same time.
should Sadler not be prepared to finance a football club and spend the money that needs spending to take the club to the next level he should put the Football club up for sale and find a prospective buyer who can fund the club and take it to the level that fans would be happy with it .it is blatantly obvious that the club has lost its feel good factor since Sadlers honeymoon and it feels like the club is going back in to the darkside and that the club is going backwards and that Sadler is and has never been our dream owner.Sadler has made way to many mistakes and does not seem to learn in regards to recruiting of managers as well as offering and wasting money by offering silly contracts to players that are not good enough like CJ as a example as well as offering Critchley a 4 year contract.
Simon what you need to do as a owner of a football club is get your head out of your arse get shut of Critchley and do the right thing for the club now or sell the club one of the 2 options as I personally don’t think that you are the right owner for the club and we need to hopfully sell the club on to a corporate investor who is prepared to give the club a whole make over and face lift and bring the good feel factor back to the club unlike your self
Let’s face it Simon apart from improve the pitch some TLC at the club and the squares gate what have you actually done to improve the club please let me know as I know you read AVFTT on a regular basis as you well know I know.
and finally can you stop giving the fans a world of silence and sort this total mess out that the club is in at present as it feels like our great club is losing that feel good factor and our club ironically badge is progress
i don’t see know progress since you have owned the club.
 
The Catcher in the Rye said:
Massive rebuild ahead this summer, basically we are looking at nearly a new starting ten outfield. Now is the time for Critch to build a team around his precious system. I think this is what Critchley has been waiting for and he’s sold this plan to SS. He will be given this summer to do this (and hopefully sufficient funds) and we will have to keep our fingers crossed it comes good. We need to be off to a flyer next season or Critch will be under enormous pressure (quite rightly)
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Yet we give a contract extension to the player least suited to his beloved system so good luck with that theory 🥴🤛
 
If the current manager and coaching staff remain, who we sign will not matter
We will play the same slow boring football and without Rhodes and his goals we will be near the bottom of the league
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Just to add i would keep Grimmy, Gabriel, Lyons, Casey, Carey, Pennington and Joseph

The rest can go for me
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It's why I wanted a new coach in place earlier, so they could assess the squad. Some players we'd release now may well be half decent under a new regime. For example CJ used sparingly on an as and when it suits basis playing LW would be very useful. A 46 game CJ at RWB less so.

On the players listed I'd make a decision between Carey and Morgan and release the other.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Just to add i would keep Grimmy, Gabriel, Lyons, Casey, Carey, Pennington and Joseph

The rest can go for me
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Can't argue with that, I'd like us to try for Johnson Clarke-Harris, obviously doesn't seem to fit at Peterborough, even in this league, so it's unlikely he'd feature for them should they be promoted? He's only 29, so younger than Rhodes, could he do a job for us?
 
Lythamkev said:
we are where we are for 2 reasons Critchley is out of his depth as a first team Head Coach and playing a system that the players that we have are simply not good enough.secondly in regards to our recruiting in general is very poor and has been for the last 3 seasons to be fair we are where we are because our owner Sadler does not like other clubs in the Championship and league 1 pay transfer fees Critchley and Sadler had a plan which has simply back fired on both of them and that was to recruit with a very small budget hoping that these cheap options that the headmaster brought in to the club he could develop them in to better players it has simply not happened.

so where do you we go from hear well the first thing we need to do is have a big clear out and when I say that I mean a big clear out we need up to 8 or more Quality signings get shut off the drift wood players at the same time.
should Sadler not be prepared to finance a football club and spend the money that needs spending to take the club to the next level he should put the Football club up for sale and find a prospective buyer who can fund the club and take it to the level that fans would be happy with it .it is blatantly obvious that the club has lost its feel good factor since Sadlers honeymoon and it feels like the club is going back in to the darkside and that the club is going backwards and that Sadler is and has never been our dream owner.Sadler has made way to many mistakes and does not seem to learn in regards to recruiting of managers as well as offering and wasting money by offering silly contracts to players that are not good enough like CJ as a example as well as offering Critchley a 4 year contract.
Simon what you need to do as a owner of a football club is get your head out of your arse get shut of Critchley and do the right thing for the club now or sell the club one of the 2 options as I personally don’t think that you are the right owner for the club and we need to hopfully sell the club on to a corporate investor who is prepared to give the club a whole make over and face lift and bring the good feel factor back to the club unlike your self
Let’s face it Simon apart from improve the pitch some TLC at the club and the squares gate what have you actually done to improve the club please let me know as I know you read AVFTT on a regular basis as you well know I know.
and finally can you stop giving the fans a world of silence and sort this total mess out that the club is in at present as it feels like our great club is losing that feel good factor and our club ironically badge is progress
i don’t see know progress since you have owned the club.
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I agree with some Lythamkev,but I think from the start he was poorly represented with is then so called best mate and bullshit.What he needed was proper footballing men in the boardroom,not lawmen.Regarding CJ,I think he is good enough,but him along with the rest of the squad they don’t know how to play critchleys little games.CJ is a winger,not a halfback or full back.
 
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Whatever happens who goes or stays,the players coming in need to be better than what’s already at the club.Why did we let Rob Apter go on loan,plus why didn’t sadler let bishop go.Two of many mistakes by the club.
 
I was quite impressed with the physicality of Lawal in midfield for the cods and think he might bring some bulk to midfield alongside Byers.
 
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