Grimshaw

BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I doubt he’s being told to pass his teammates into trouble.
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Whenever a team plays out from the back there is potential for mistakes to be made. It's a high risk tactic but when successful it's very effective.

You need the players to do it though. Admittedly Grimmy isn't the best with the ball at his feet but neither are our defenders and that's the problem.
 
There is no point at all using that tactic if you don't have any midfielders to receive the ball, who we'd have confidence of taking a good first touch and passing to a teammate.
 
At one point we nearly lost it twice in a row so what did we do agin? 😒 Lost it but thankfully they wasted it.

Phase after we lumped it, one pass and it was on the edge of their area and Bowler blazed over. We went back to Critchley levels of ** about at the back last night.
 
the only thing that infuriates me with Grimshaw (and tbh goalkeepers in general these days) is punching crosses when its an easy catch, just keeps the defence under pressure for no reason
 
I don't mind him playing out from the back but often he passes to someone who is under pressure. He seems to have lost a little form to me.
 
They are all guilty of getting caught in possession not least is Bowler who caused us a couple of defensive nightmares last night.
 
FY4MIKEH said:
Made some good saves last night but really thought he put our defence under unnecessary pressure at times playing the ball out from the back. Why do we do it? Our defenders are not good enough with the ball at their feet to fuck about playing that game.
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We do it because Madine never wins a ball in the air, or on the ground for that matter.
 
About 50% of the time we passed out from the back OK
But for the other 50% players were pressed so the pass was not on
If that is the case the ball needs kicking up the pitch towards the touch line
A less dangerous part of the field if they win possession
There's also a good chance of a flick on down the line or a defender heading out for a throw in
Playing out from the back is a good tactic when done at the right time
Remember the two previous games we scored goals because the opposition tried to play out at the wrong time
 
Every player has strengths and weaknesses. Grimshaw definitely has more of the former than the latter and position for position is perhaps our best player or very close to it .He certainly saved us from a much more decisive defeat last night.

The fairly modern trend of the keeper passing to a nearby defender rather than hoofing it upfield is only as good as the skills of the surrounding defenders and the keepers judgement and passing accuracy, so the higher level the less the risk .So the likely hood of more retained possession has to be measured against the risk of losing possession close to the team`s own goal.The more skilful the defenders the less risk in the strategy.

I wonder if there has ever been any statistical analysis has been done comparing short passes from the keeper to him hoofing it upfield.
 
FY5_Seasider said:
Whenever a team plays out from the back there is potential for mistakes to be made. It's a high risk tactic but when successful it's very effective.

You need the players to do it though. Admittedly Grimmy isn't the best with the ball at his feet but neither are our defenders and that's the problem.
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eki sometimes looks like Bambi on ice
 
FY5_Seasider said:
Whenever a team plays out from the back there is potential for mistakes to be made. It's a high risk tactic but when successful it's very effective.

You need the players to do it though. Admittedly Grimmy isn't the best with the ball at his feet but neither are our defenders and that's the problem.
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To be fair I think his ability with his feet is right up there - it's his decision making when playing it short ( particularly to Dougall ) that's questionable
 
FY5_Seasider said:
Whenever a team plays out from the back there is potential for mistakes to be made. It's a high risk tactic but when successful it's very effective.

You need the players to do it though. Admittedly Grimmy isn't the best with the ball at his feet but neither are our defenders and that's the problem.
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Ekpiteta made it worse by dwelling on the ball when he got it, allowing them to press, then casually passing back to Grimshaw to get rid in a hurry. Obvious to all in the ground but they persisted with it.
 
alginate said:
This is so indicative of AVFTT. Grimshaw was ** brilliant last night. If it wasn’t for him we’d have lost by 4 or 5. Yet we still have to find fault.
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Shut up, it's more the players he passed it to that are the problem. Go and have a lie down.
 
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1966_and_all_that said:
That takes the Biscuit. "Madine never wins anything in the air." Followed by...
"He wins the majority..."
If no-one picks up the pieces it's hardly Madine's fault.
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Read it correctly I said sarcastically to the previous post where it was said he never wins a header I said he wins the majority of headers and no one picks up the pieces
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I doubt he’s being told to pass his teammates into trouble.
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Sorry but it’s true.

It appears to be the new thing to do in “how to coach defenders into scaring the shit out of fans and fkng about.
The prem league teams do it, but they have exceptional ability on the ball and awareness. To do it in this League and below is daft but hey ho. The number of goals scored and conceded for us and other teams is shambolic.

The reason it’s done, is there’s a chance you can drag in 3 or 4 opponents by allowing them to press, but if we can get the ball out past our defensive line, it cuts out those 3-4 and now it’s 6 outfield players to contend with. The only problem for us, is that even then when our midfielders get it, they don’t have the technical ability to take advantage of the situation.
 
BM’s Bargains said:
Sorry but it’s true.

It appears to be the new thing to do in “how to coach defenders into scaring the shit out of fans and fkng about.
The prem league teams do it, but they have exceptional ability on the ball and awareness. To do it in this League and below is daft but hey ho. The number of goals scored and conceded for us and other teams is shambolic.

The reason it’s done, is there’s a chance you can drag in 3 or 4 opponents by allowing them to press, but if we can get the ball out past our defensive line, it cuts out those 3-4 and now it’s 6 outfield players to contend with. The only problem for us, is that even then when our midfielders get it, they don’t have the technical ability to take advantage of the situation.
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I’m not sure you’re grasping what I’m saying.
 
I often click “reply” part way through the thread because I can’t be arsed scrolling to the bottom. 😂

The whole point behind this tactic is to play a game of cat and mouse. The closer the opposition can get to closing you down, the greater the pay off as then with a few quick passes we can bypass that press, and then outnumber those in front of us.
This tactic will only work well if the GK & Defence are comfortable on the ball, and the midfield can make a quick, calculated progressive pass. The trouble is, most teams outside of the prem (and some in the prem) do this too often, and now the coaching is about making calculated decisions in when and how to press, and so it goes full circle.

Every day I watch football, I see these mistakes made. It’s plain daft. However once we get our midfield all fit, it could well benefit us a lot more.
 
9/10 passing out from the back is way more effective than just hoofing it up the pitch especially when Madine isn't on the pitch.
 
BM’s Bargains said:
I often click “reply” part way through the thread because I can’t be arsed scrolling to the bottom. 😂

The whole point behind this tactic is to play a game of cat and mouse. The closer the opposition can get to closing you down, the greater the pay off as then with a few quick passes we can bypass that press, and then outnumber those in front of us.
This tactic will only work well if the GK & Defence are comfortable on the ball, and the midfield can make a quick, calculated progressive pass. The trouble is, most teams outside of the prem (and some in the prem) do this too often, and now the coaching is about making calculated decisions in when and how to press, and so it goes full circle.

Every day I watch football, I see these mistakes made. It’s plain daft. However once we get our midfield all fit, it could well benefit us a lot more.
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You need to be able to play quick one touch football to take advantage. Our central defenders get the ball, dwell on it, consider the options then play a poorly weighted pass, putting a colleague in trouble because the ball hadn't come quick enough.

We need to know what the options are before the ball gets to the player, not 5 seconds after.
 
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