good old China and the WHO

Even the article admits that China met its obligations under international law.
Something that Trump's America repeatedly ignores.
I think you will have to try harder.
 
catinstalbans said:
Even the article admits that China met its obligations under international law.
Something that Trump's America repeatedly ignores.
I think you will have to try harder.
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Did it delay releasing information which potentially meant the virus wasn't contained.
 
20togo said:
Just think some on here said China couldn't be blamed.
The Cats out of the bag.
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Oh, FFS! To quote directly from that MSN article...
“Chinese officials sat on releasing the genetic map, or genome, of the deadly virus for over a week after multiple government labs had fully decoded it”

Do we think a week has real relevance, when our own government delayed lockdown for 3 or 4 weeks after they were warned by Italy? Well, I am sure other Sino-sceptics will pick up on other dates. But, for heaven’s sake, when will our government admit to their decisions actually owning this crisis?
 
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The reality is that the WHO is not the all powerful organisation, that can dictate to nation states, that some pretend it is.

There’s no doubt it was very conciliatory to China (and very dismissive to Taiwan) in an attempt to ensure China’s continued cooperation and relative transparency. It could of course gone all confrontational, which is a bit daft when you have no leverage beyond the blame game.

Trump of course prefers a different narrative - anti China and anti any global organisations that might fetter his ability to do whatever he wants.

In terms of the actual impact the WHO’s tactics with China might have had - in the article in the op maybe a week to two weeks delay? Well maybe there’s been more than one or two weeks delay in other countries?

In short - if you are looking for a scapegoat there are others who are more to blame than the WHO.
 
Archibald Knox said:
Oh, FFS! To quote from the MSN article...
“Chinese officials sat on releasing the genetic map, or genome, of the deadly virus for over a week after multiple government labs had fully decoded it”

Do we think a week has real relevance, when our own government delayed lockdown for 3 or 4 weeks after they were warned by Italy? Well, I am sure other Sino-sceptics will pick up on other dates. But, for heaven’s sake, when will our government admit to their decisions actually owning this crisis?
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Exactly 👍
 
Yes, it's very relevant. Cat stated China were blameless.This proves that not to be the case. Not that I didn't point that out way back in March.
 
You see, you guys are so screwed up with hatred that you fail to consider the key point. This virus isn't just affecting the UK. Deaths are happening all around the world. All because China delayed releasing information and tried to cover the impact up.
 
Think what you want guys. Don't seem to like the evidence being presented to you do you.
 
20togo said:
Think what you want guys. Don't seem to like the evidence being presented to you do you.
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You just quote the bits you dispute, without any critical appreciation of the whole. Hatred is your thing, or rather “hate-filled agenda”, you always refer to it. Lighten up, please. “Hello darkness, my old friend. I've come to talk with you again...”
 
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20togo said:
You see, you guys are so screwed up with hatred that you fail to consider the key point. This virus isn't just affecting the UK. Deaths are happening all around the world. All because China delayed releasing information and tried to cover the impact up.
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So why has the total Chinese death toll been way below ours, even though they are thought to have caused it? Oh yes, because they are lying, I suppose? Well they might be. Or they might have had a proper lockdown. But the UK is still top of the European fatality records. Death City ** Central. What a proud claim? It sickens me.
 
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I think you will find that I didn't quote anything, just referred to a part of the article which blows your sinophobic argument out of the water.
Trump and the Tories are desperate to pin the blame on someone when it they had acted decisively the death tolls could have been so vastly reduced. Shame on you for joining the scapegoating.
 
I think there is little doubt China tried to keep things under wraps which was actually against international law.
The WHO didnt criticise them as they wanted/needed their scientific cooperation.
We may have no idea of the actual death toll in many places and i would definitely put China in that category.

The legal question is did China fail in their global responsibility to report the outbreak asap.
The answer is undoubtedly yes so of course they certainly should be held to account.
I simply cannot buy that China and its incredibly highly qualified scientists knew so much about this virus by Jan 2 yet it wasnt until Jan 20th that they were able to 'confirm' to the WHO human to human transmission.

That was 18days that arguably could have been the most critical in helping to combat the outbreak of the virus.

Now of course after the outbreak was made public the WHO & all governmental response Worldwide should be looked at.

The UK gov imho were too slow to react and unfortunately that looks like it has undoubtedly cost lives.

I think our lockdown should have been tougher. However you cant impose chinese style lockdowns in a western country as AK suggests but more certainly could have been done.

There will however be numerous factors that have contributed to the spread of this pandemic Worldwide.
Some places will have a high number of cases while some will thankfully have escaped with relatively few.
Whilst I think the true picture may be somewhat skewed at present and perhaps always will be? I highly doubt we are going to come out of this looking anything like good.
 
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catinstalbans said:
I think you will find that I didn't quote anything, just referred to a part of the article which blows your sinophobic argument out of the water.
Trump and the Tories are desperate to pin the blame on someone when it they had acted decisively the death tolls could have been so vastly reduced. Shame on you for joining the scapegoating.
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Of course it wouldn't be the fault of your heroes in China would it?
 
The biggest mistake the WHO made was legitimising China's lockdown of Wuhan.
 
Archibald Knox said:
What a whopper.
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I did say it's "Cat I think". Note the words I think! I've looked back up the thread and it was YOU who quoted an individual bit from the article. I didn't. The whopper is yours Archie not mine.
So just to be clear, Answer this simple question. Who was the person who only quoted one simple bit of the article. 20togo or Archibald Knox?
 
catinstalbans said:
I think you will find that I didn't quote anything, just referred to a part of the article which blows your sinophobic argument out of the water.
Trump and the Tories are desperate to pin the blame on someone when it they had acted decisively the death tolls could have been so vastly reduced. Shame on you for joining the scapegoating.
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It's you whose scapegoating. It's all about the politics and your hatred Cat! Admit it, you're a communist and a political agitator.
 
deary said:
Here ya go ITV report suggests pretty much the same!

Unfortunately the truth may never be revealed as those who speak out against the government face arrest.


www.itv.com

After initial praise, China still has plenty of coronavirus questions to answer | ITV News

China received plenty of early kudos for its reaction to the coronavirus but are a number of issues that need clarification. | ITV National News
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Don't think you'll get any response from the usual suspects. At least I recognise our govt have made plenty of errors. But these clowns are so blinkered in their hatred they just don't see that China caused a major problem and cover up with this. And the WHO were aware.
 
We have known for a good while now that the Chinese held back crucial information, so this just confirms it really.
Why, and what did they hope to gain from this, or were they still just trying to contain the virus within their borders at that time and then planning to bury the story?
On the face of it I think it is a bit harsh to blame the WTO if they could not get straight answers or access to evidence. Their praise for China’s actions certainly sticks in the throat a bit though!
 
I'm afraid I believe nothing that comes out of the mouths of the Chinese Communist Party leaders.

China has one of the most oppressive and dictatorial regimes in the world. They're not communists, they're dictators who look after their own interests, and can't tolerate any display of "weakness", or criticism.

Look at the persecution of the Uighers, the massacre in Tiananmen Square, and now their attitude to Hong Kong. They have a heavily censored press and have full control of the internet in their country.

What can we do?

How about not buying anything which was made in China.

Oh, and sensible comments please. No references to not having a Chinese takeaway. Most of the proprietors are originally from Hong Kong or Malaysia
 
20togo said:
It's you whose scapegoating. It's all about the politics and your hatred Cat! Admit it, you're a communist and a political agitator.
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I don't believe it's illegal to be a member of the communist party, not that there's any proof either way. That kind of accusation could be deemed scapegoating.
 
Wizaard said:
I'm not sure anyone said that China couldn't be blamed. The Chinese government have historically been notorious for suppression of anything considered to make them look bad. Some said the WHO was China's puppet. How does that square with this?
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Wiz, you should know me better. Cat has said China was blameless. And I think it reasonable to ask Cat if he's a member of the Communist party?
 
20togo said:
Jeez, that isn't half a whopper. Not an extremist - wow, you have got a sense of humour. You accuse the PM of lying and you come out with that.
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Well, I hardly think it is extremist to call that well-known lying bastard of a PM a ** liar. He’s been sacked from at least two jobs (or is it 3?) for directly lying to his superiors. The proof of that has been written about many times, without challenge or lawsuit from Bozo. Does anyone honestly think he has given up the habit? It’s part of his character, formed at an early age.
 
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Archibald Knox said:
Well, I hardly think it is extremist to call that well-known lying bastard of a PM a ** liar. He’s been sacked from at least two jobs (or is it 3?) for directly lying to his superiors. The proof of that has been written about many times, without challenge or lawsuit from Bozo. Does anyone honestly think he has given up the habit?
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probably not, but he's not the first politician to lie and won't be the last. But no matter, I'm happy with my view that Cats constant tirade on here suggests that he very much is an extremist.
Oh and by the way, you never did acknowledge my correct assertion that I linked the article and thereafter never made any individual quote from it. That was you who did that wasn't it? Even though you accused me. Just saying like. No big deal. 👍
 
Archibald Knox said:
When caught lying, it’s usually a resigning matter. Or used to be. So, no, lying is not routine.
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So then, it's a myth of fable proportions that politicians don't lie. Not that I'm excusing any lie of course.
Anyway, who said it was routine? Jeez, first you said I did an individual quote when it was you that did and now you come up with the word routine which was miles away from what I said.
 
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