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Anyone know how bad is injury is ?
Understand what you're saying but isn't it the basic responsibility of a footballer to keep a high level of fitness all year round, even more so one without a club? If Critchley deems him fit to start then don't we have to accept his judgement?No pre season. Rushed in. Just saying!
There is a huge difference between a player being able to keep fit and being match sharp, hence why pre season takes place over numerous weeks.Understand what you're saying but isn't it the basic responsibility of a footballer to keep a high level of fitness all year round, even more so one without a club? If Critchley deems him fit to start then don't we have to accept his judgement?
Actually, that's a fair point. Yesterday I was saying we need to bring in the January-return loans quickly if we are to benefit from them. Of course, if they've not played competitively yet it might be risky.No pre season. Rushed in. Just saying!
I think there's a difference between maintaining general fitness and being ready to start competitive matches.Understand what you're saying but isn't it the basic responsibility of a footballer to keep a high level of fitness all year round, even more so one without a club? If Critchley deems him fit to start then don't we have to accept his judgement?
Correct. My point all along.You can throw centre backs into Critchleys’ supposed 90 minute power play, not sure you can other positions.
I am pretty sure he played in the game against Ipswich but dont let that get in the way....most likely he didnt warm up properly yesterday and it resulted in an injuryNo pre season. Rushed in. Just saying!
Surely the Arsenal lad is match fit, he’s played international football this weekActually, that's a fair point. Yesterday I was saying we need to bring in the January-return loans quickly if we are to benefit from them. Of course, if they've not played competitively yet it might be risky.
So shellfishIs it a fair point that he’s a human being and as such its possible he just pulled a muscle ? Even the fittest and most professional get injured easily.
What you basing that on though? Barely seen Garbutt who needs to get match fit.For me, Mitchell is the better of the two players and so ironically (although sadly) I think it was an injury which helped us on Saturday.
True or not, Ipswich fans and Lambert rated him but not as a full/wing back. Same with Yates, a manager and fans who said he was best playing as the wide one in a front three.. If Critchley sees it different fair enough, but we do need to be able to get the best out of these players.What you basing that on though? Barely seen Garbutt who needs to get match fit.
Yates is at a crossroads...he works hard but doesnt seem to want to take up dangerous positions. He would do well to watch Jiminez at Wolves who is a player he could try and emulate. Jiminez is a super hard working player who constantly looks to get into positions to receive the ball but also gets in positions to score.True or not, Ipswich fans and Lambert rated him but not as a full/wing back. Same with Yates, a manager and fans who said he was best playing as the wide one in a front three.. If Critchley sees it different fair enough, but we do need to be able to get the best out of these players.
Agree with that.True or not, Ipswich fans and Lambert rated him but not as a full/wing back. Same with Yates, a manager and fans who said he was best playing as the wide one in a front three.. If Critchley sees it different fair enough, but we do need to be able to get the best out of these players.
Garbutt isn't a wide forward, left winger maybe and he certainly hasn't been signed as one as we dont play like thatTrue or not, Ipswich fans and Lambert rated him but not as a full/wing back. Same with Yates, a manager and fans who said he was best playing as the wide one in a front three.. If Critchley sees it different fair enough, but we do need to be able to get the best out of these players.
I haven't said he has. But in the time he's been on the pitch with us so far it has been at left/wing back. Not what Ipswich fans and manager saw as his best position.Garbutt isn't a wide forward, left winger maybe and he certainly hasn't been signed as one as we dont play like that
We play with inverted wide men and there isn't a chance Garbutt would be used as a right forward
Paul Ince thought Barkhuizen was a right back. My point is what other managers think is irrelevant. He will be played where Critchley thinks he will add most value or to do a specific jobI haven't said he has. But in the time he's been on the pitch with us so far it has been at left/wing back. Not what Ipswich fans and manager saw as his best position.
No it's not irrelevant at all. But yep you're right it will be where Critchley thinks a player will add most. Just like he thought Yates would add most down the middle despite history showing that it seemed Yates was more effective as a wide man of a front three. Yates has now been moved to the wide position. Is that because Critchley has now realised what Yates best position is and that another manager was right. Apply the same to Garbutt and let's see where he ends up..Paul Ince thought Barkhuizen was a right back. My point is what other managers think is irrelevant. He will be played where Critchley thinks he will add most value or to do a specific job
Very true. But it's interesting that Garbutt went to Ipswich and Lambert surmised he was better further forward than defending, and we have brought him in as a defender. Time will tell who is right, but is Lambert likely to have got it all wrong, having worked with him for a season?Paul Ince thought Barkhuizen was a right back. My point is what other managers think is irrelevant. He will be played where Critchley thinks he will add most value or to do a specific job
It also depends on who players are playing with. That can influence which role they take.Very true. But it's interesting that Garbutt went to Ipswich and Lambert surmised he was better further forward than defending, and we have brought him in as a defender. Time will tell who is right, but is Lambert likely to have got it all wrong, having worked with him for a season?
Also true - and the system. We shall see. When he's fit again!It also depends on who players are playing with. That can influence which role they take.
But we don't play with a wide left footed midfield player, its not the system we playVery true. But it's interesting that Garbutt went to Ipswich and Lambert surmised he was better further forward than defending, and we have brought him in as a defender. Time will tell who is right, but is Lambert likely to have got it all wrong, having worked with him for a season?
The system we play has no room in it for a left footed winger on the leftI haven't said he has. But in the time he's been on the pitch with us so far it has been at left/wing back. Not what Ipswich fans and manager saw as his best position.
Yates doesn't have a striker's instincts. Few doubt his work ethic, and service hasn't been the best, but except for one decent season in league2 he's done little.Yates is at a crossroads...he works hard but doesnt seem to want to take up dangerous positions. He would do well to watch Jiminez at Wolves who is a player he could try and emulate. Jiminez is a super hard working player who constantly looks to get into positions to receive the ball but also gets in positions to score.
Im afraid that the lack of goals must be playing on his mind now and I would love him to put that right tonight. If not then there are plenty of players in our squad who can play his role.
So what's he doing here then?The system we play has no room in it for a left footed winger on the left
So what's he doing here then?
Nice summary. Yet we get grief off posters like Wiz for raising valid concerns. I think the vast majority of fans know that patience is needed. But that doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to express our concerns. And from what I see most of those concerns are done in a constructive manner.Like a few other signings, I think that's a very fair question 20's.
From what I've heard from my Ipswich supporting mate, Garbutt has really good delivery, but isn't good defender when played at full back. His view was left sided midfield was his best position. And as Phil rightly says. We don't play with wide midfielders, the full backs SHOULD provide the width in a 4-3-3.
If he was to play ahead of the 2 defensive midfielders (whoever they may be) then why suddenly decide that we also need Woodburn, who also seems to be a player for that role?
Then we have Dougall as the sort of signing we need (tall, defensive midfielder) but despite being free since June, we've only just signed him.
We started with Nottingham at CB - a player we all knew wasn't the answer - and then we sign 2 new CB's and let Nottingham go.
We'll be waiting now until Christmas before we truly see players being fully fit, gelling and understanding their roles.
It all keeps coming back to recruitment and no obvious pattern or thought emerging from the signings. It was the same last season too. Does NC not know what sort of player he wants and isn't being given them by Johnson and Mansford or does NC have no idea of who he needs and why?
Or will it simply start to fit into place as we go forward?
Which is what I've said.But we don't play with a wide left footed midfield player, its not the system we play
So he's been bought as an attacking full back
Very true. But it's interesting that Garbutt went to Ipswich and Lambert surmised he was better further forward than defending, and we have brought him in as a defender. Time will tell who is right, but is Lambert likely to have got it all wrong, having worked with him for a season?
Like i said he's obviously been signed as a left backSo what's he doing here then?
We dont play with wide midfield playersPut Husband back to left back and bring in the Arsenal lad and we might get a clean sheet tonight. Mitchell isn't a defender so will need to make way or be deployed in midfield.
CorrectNice summary. Yet we get grief off posters like Wiz for raising valid concerns. I think the vast majority of fans know that patience is needed. But that doesn't mean that we aren't allowed to express our concerns. And from what I see most of those concerns are done in a constructive manner.
I don't think we're being harsh on him [Garbutt] at all. The puzzlement is what Critchley is going to do to get the best out of him if as people think he doesn't fit into a system that we play. Surely he's more than a plan B player? Not that I've seen a plan B yet.I too was puzzled with the arrival with Garbutt, because he doesn't seem to fit in to any particular role we currently employ.
He may have decent delivery but he doesn't strike me as someone who gets up and down the field as this system needs.
He doesn't appear to be a traditional full back, so it's hard to know where his strength's lie within our starting XI.
I do wonder if he was signed purely because he's (apparently) talented and was available to sign, with the rest hopefully falling in to place.
Maybe we are being harsh on him, he clearly isn't fully fit or match sharp despite being almost immediately thrown in to the team.
I meant it may be fairer to judge him once he is fully fit.I don't think we're being harsh on him [Garbutt] at all. The puzzlement is what Critchley is going to do to get the best out of him if as people think he doesn't fit into a system that we play. Surely he's more than a plan B player? Not that I've seen a plan B yet.
Plan B is make Plan A betterI don't think we're being harsh on him [Garbutt] at all. The puzzlement is what Critchley is going to do to get the best out of him if as people think he doesn't fit into a system that we play. Surely he's more than a plan B player? Not that I've seen a plan B yet.