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Lala

Lala

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Can be selfish. Often invest nothing but match day fees because they want to and for their own enjoyment.
Yet take on little of the financial burden of keeping a club afloat, often millions, and yet spit dummies out when things need work or aren’t perfect.
Spoilt?
Discuss?
 
Lala said:
Can be selfish. Often invest nothing but match day fees because they want to and for their own enjoyment.
Yet take on little of the financial burden of keeping a club afloat, often millions, and yet spit dummies out when things need work or aren’t perfect.
Spoilt?
Discuss?
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I'll have whatever drugs you are on
 
It's fans of all ages though. The 60+ fans are possibly the worst? And always has been, I used to see the same behaviour from old blokes in the scratching sheds back in the 60s when I was a kid. Blokes who had seen the 50s and expected better, I guess.

The OP talks about fans investing more than match day fees. I'm not sure what we are supposed to do? The model of ownership tends to be that one super rich person buys a club and has absolute control. The fans contribute by being consumers, buying tickets and merchandise. I think it needs a different type of ownership arrangement to encourage and facilitate fan investment?
 
Lala said:
Can be selfish. Often invest nothing but match day fees because they want to and for their own enjoyment.
Yet take on little of the financial burden of keeping a club afloat, often millions, and yet spit dummies out when things need work or aren’t perfect.
Spoilt?
Discuss?
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People who spend £40 for a years subscription of IPTV then moan about the quality of a stream which, effectively robs EFL clubs of much needed revenue. That’s a good example of the greedy and entitled attitude.
Like buying a fake footy shirt off Ali Express and bitching about the fact that the badge is wonky!!!
 
Lala said:
Can be selfish. Often invest nothing but match day fees because they want to and for their own enjoyment.
Yet take on little of the financial burden of keeping a club afloat, often millions, and yet spit dummies out when things need work or aren’t perfect.
Spoilt?
Discuss?
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Good o/p

Lytham raises a very good point in that it's not limited to football fans; selfish panic buying as an example which we could possibly see again, then throw away the perishable food which they couldn't possibly have had the time to eat (sorry rant over)

But to respond to the o/p about football fans (I assume here that AVFTT posters are representative of the fan base), many have purchased ST's without knowing when they're going to get in to BR, bought more merchandise than usual, I-follow purchases, and funding initiatives (see GJJW threads). Whilst this isn't in itself going to keep the club afloat financially, I think fans in general are doing their bit (probably similar at other clubs), but we are still lucky to have a great owner/custodian at last.

As for wanting things to work out, many footy fans are always going to be fickle and/or have a whinge when it's not going well because we love the club, and there will ultimately be much disagreement, but isn't that what the message board is for (and politics of course)? I also think we're one of the last set of fans I would call spoilt after what we have been through (Holloway's comments aside)
 
What voy says.

Fan ownership isn't really a goer in the current model of you want to be more than a social club with football. At our own club we've seen over the last decade, plenty of people willing to do more than just turn up. In fact willing to do anything but turn up! At Wigan, fans raised a huge sum in a short time to keep club afloat, Bury and others have created entire new clubs. The financial arrangements make it very hard to turn the clear appetite for fans to be involved on a deeper level into something with long term prospects as platform for clubs to challenge at highest level.

I think the way football is set up creates that entitlement. Players earn huge wages - that breeds demand, resentment, expectations. The media hypes value and finance all the time. People in football are reduced to being merely commodities. They're not humans, they're just units of value. If they don't perform, then it's like if you get a defective product from Amazon - swear a bit, send it back and get another one. As we're priced out of involvement with clubs, it's no wonder we don't look at the commodities as investments but simply units off a production line and any defects are rejected instead of fixed.

Media coverage also places a huge emphasis on performance. Being miserable is a disaster, relegation is an unthinkable and shameful failure. The reality is, when we look at objectively, those are inevitable things for some teams to experience most seasons. In fact, sometimes relegation is actually a blessing in disguise for a club.

It's also true that 'football fans' are a broad sweep of society. A huge number of people identify as such. So by identifying what 'football fans' are like also points at wider social attitudes. People are more impatient, people do have a more flippant attitude towards consumer goods now. Gone are the days when my grandad used to fix stuff in his garage and pride himself on never needing a new thing. Gone are the days of loyalty and reliability being key qualities in a worker. We live in a performance orientated world. People spend their weeks chasing targets, in short term contracts and under lots of pressure to hit often unreasonable goals.

Is it any wonder they then project that frustration onto players or clubs?
 
voyeur said:
It's fans of all ages though. The 60+ fans are possibly the worst? And always has been, I used to see the same behaviour from old blokes in the scratching sheds back in the 60s when I was a kid. Blokes who had seen the 50s and expected better, I guess.

The OP talks about fans investing more than match day fees. I'm not sure what we are supposed to do? The model of ownership tends to be that one super rich person buys a club and has absolute control. The fans contribute by being consumers, buying tickets and merchandise. I think it needs a different type of ownership arrangement to encourage and facilitate fan investment?
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Thanks voy for that.
I suppose that supporting your club for over 75 years means nothing then?
Why just pick on the older ones ?
We are as entitled to our view as YOU and all the others are.
I've usually enjoyed your posts.
But not this time. 🙄
 
Davepick said:
Thanks voy for that.
I suppose that supporting your club for over 75 years means nothing then?
Why just pick on the older ones ?
We are as entitled to our view as YOU and all the others are.
I've usually enjoyed your posts.
But not this time. 🙄
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I'm sorry Dave, but there is no need to take the post personally I wasn't thinking about you when I wrote it. 75 years is amazing, of course you are entitled to your view, and I wrote it simply to defend younger people because of the patronising tone from older people towards young people on here, they seem to get blamed for falling standards, Covid, all sorts. And now for the lack of patience And my perception of the impatience on here at the moment is that most of the people who are having a strop are at the older end of the fanbase. And that this is pretty normal. And if that offends you, I'm sorry, but it's not my fault that so many old posters spit their dummies out so often. And they do.
 
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