Fed up of this agenda against Sadler and Mansford

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Memphisboy

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Bowler Poveda Yates Rogers Keshi Patino Fiorini Madine Gabriel I’ve never known a squad with as much talent, firepower and depth as our squad this season, on paper anyway 😀 In addition to the creativity I also think we have, when not riddled with injuries, a strong spine and a strong depth to the squad. Which is why the abuse SS and Mansford get is out of order, they’ve provided the funds and squad numbers the only problem has been the choice of managers after Critchley left us in the lurch and whilst yes Appleton and Mick haven’t done it I understood why they got the jobs and plenty of others supported the appointments at the time.
We have got to take some of the criticism as well if we hadn’t been so childish in drumming Appleton out and basically forcing the boards hands I think we’d be safe by now, there’d been plenty of signs Appleton knew what he was doing and in an injury hit first half of the season had still churned out some good wins, we beat Notts Forest by 4 the week before he was axed.
Mick has been a letdown but once we’d forced Appleton out I can’t have been the only one who thought yeah decent appointment to keep us up. So whilst this season has been a disappointment I just think it’s been one of those perfect storm seasons where everything that could go wrong has gone wrong and with hindsight the appointments weren’t great but that’s life sometimes things aren’t meant to be.
We need to stop the blame game grow a pair and support Simon otherwise be careful what you wish for we just might drive him away and i doubt there’s anyone else out there who’d invest as much time and money as him.
And you never know we’re not even down yet!
 
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FLATBACKFOR said:
He does have a point some on here are experts in hindsight.
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It wasn’t hindsight to say we shouldn’t appoint Appleton.

It wasn’t hindsight to say we should have strengthened midfield and attack in August and then in January.

Mick was also a weird appointment with our players and then not further strengthening.

None of this is hindsight. All predictable.
 
So who do we blame for a manager we never wanted. The manager we never wanted getting sacked straight after a transfer window in which he got two wingers to play to his system. Then bringing in a manager who has been out the game for a while, plays an entirely different system and had no opportunity to bring in his own players.
Common sense says Appleton should have been sacked, if he was going to be sacked, after the Wigan game. Unfortunately common sense has been sadly lacking at the club this season.
Who do we blame ? Tony Parr again ?
 
AngelBFC said:
Critch leaving suddenly and unexpectedly messed things up combined with injuries

SS and BM want the best for the club make no mistake
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Managers leave all the time. They come and go. Manager does well in job then bigger fish come knocking.

IT SHOULDN'T BE A BLEEDIN' SURPRISE.

It's how you deal with it and they dealt with it by being surprised when an idea of what comes next should have been in place. They followed it in the most clueless way imaginable and, lo and behold, then repeated the mistake with knobs on. If that's wanting the best, then f me.
 
Memphisboy said:
SS and Mansford don’t coach the team or step on the pitch I believe they’ve funded the squad well this season, you can criticise the appointments, but the letdowns this season have been the players and managers

They allowed Fiorini, Poveda, Rogers and Bowler to come in and then sacked a manger who would play them bringing in a manager, Who wouldn't
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AngelBFC said:
Mine is he virtually tripled his wages for less responsibility
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The reason isn't important- we've been too hung up on that. The fact was he was a manager who had a good growing reputation and that means he was always going to attract attention.

The rest was fully 100% in the control of the board.
 
fcblackpool said:
The reason isn't important- we've been too hung up on that. The fact was he was a manager who had a good growing reputation and that means he was always going to attract attention.

The rest was fully 100% in the control of the board.
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Agreed.

Can we also all agree that the line we didn’t expect there to be such bad feeling about Appleton was complete bollocks as well.

They only needed to browse here or Twitter the moment we were linked with him to realise,

Maybe they did the night they took him in the Armfield Club before the season started.

Either way it’s just bullshit to say they didn’t know.
 
AlternativeSeaside said:
You’ve got to ask yourself why did Critchley leave?

Everyone has their opinions on this, mine is because he saw the writing on the wall.
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Money and prem by and large the main reasons.

Did he think it would become ever more difficult, maybe, but he wouldn't have left without the big money.
 
Give me a break. Can we stop with excuses and hold people accountable for the jobs they’ve done? Table doesn’t lie and the mistakes we’ve made and continue to make are naive and avoidable. Did we play a team looking to win today? Our most expensive player as determined by the marketplace who is a goal maker and goal scorer spends most of his time on the bench. We’re going down in such a passive tail between our legs fashion. If we aren’t good enough at least go down playing to your strengths instead of trying to be a team we clearly are not. It’s not rocket science.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Agreed.

Can we also all agree that the line we didn’t expect there to be such bad feeling about Appleton was complete bollocks as well.

They only needed to browse here or Twitter the moment we were linked with him to realise,

Maybe they did the night they took him in the Armfield Club before the season started.

Either way it’s just bullshit to say they didn’t know.
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How much attention has he garnered since leaving us?
 
fcblackpool said:
The reason isn't important- we've been too hung up on that. The fact was he was a manager who had a good growing reputation and that means he was always going to attract attention.

The rest was fully 100% in the control of the board.
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Mansford on an interview on Ttv said his team did scenarios where situations might occur when we would lose players and staff to other teams and they had compiled a list of targets to go for as replacements , did Ben lose the list.?
 
Memphisboy said:
SS and Mansford don’t coach the team or step on the pitch I believe they’ve funded the squad well this season, you can criticise the appointments, but the letdowns this season have been the players and managers
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The problem is, I don't think they actually know that much about football.

McCarthy is made to look as he does by the fact our squad is possibly the least we'll suited set of players who've ever walked the earth to play Mick McCarthy football.

Appleton was not backed with key signings and then sacked as soon as he was. It made no sense at all.

We can rant and rave about managers and we can question ambition and I agree that some of that is out of line - but the decisions that shaped the football this season have been terrible.

Two of the board are fans. One of them is an agent with all sorts of contacts and possible vested interests. I'm not sure that's an ideal mix in terms of calm, objective and scientific decision making.

Perm any two fans off here and would you get the best decision making? No. We'd have an endless parade of nostalgia signings and tactical ineptitude. Two of the board members are basically us but with a bit of cash. That doesn't mean they deserve abuse - but it equally makes all the "in Simon we trust implicitly stuff" silly.

If I was Simon, I'd never sleep cos honestly, whilst I fancy myself as a decent judge of stuff in the moment, the reality is I get all sorts wrong and I'd be way out my depth.

We're desperate for some nous at the top level to support the board. I just hope Badlan isn't another layer of the decision making process which is an illusion because the learning from this season is that on our budget, poor decision making and a lack of pre planning will murder you.

There's an awful lot of shit thrown all over the place and a lot of unwarranted name calling but I think the above is true. We've got very little right for 15 months. That can happen. No club just goes forward all the time but when decisions are poor over an extended period, you've surely got to question how the decisions are made.
 
Memphisboy said:
Bowler Poveda Yates Rogers Keshi Patino Fiorini Madine Gabriel I’ve never known a squad with as much talent, firepower and depth as our squad this season, on paper anyway 😀 In addition to the creativity I also think we have, when not riddled with injuries, a strong spine and a strong depth to the squad. Which is why the abuse SS and Mansford get is out of order, they’ve provided the funds and squad numbers the only problem has been the choice of managers after Critchley left us in the lurch and whilst yes Appleton and Mick haven’t done it I understood why they got the jobs and plenty of others supported the appointments at the time.
We have got to take some of the criticism as well if we hadn’t been so childish in drumming Appleton out and basically forcing the boards hands I think we’d be safe by now, there’d been plenty of signs Appleton knew what he was doing and in an injury hit first half of the season had still churned out some good wins, we beat Notts Forest by 4 the week before he was axed.
Mick has been a letdown but once we’d forced Appleton out I can’t have been the only one who thought yeah decent appointment to keep us up. So whilst this season has been a disappointment I just think it’s been one of those perfect storm seasons where everything that could go wrong has gone wrong and with hindsight the appointments weren’t great but that’s life sometimes things aren’t meant to be.
We need to stop the blame game grow a pair and support Simon otherwise be careful what you wish for we just might drive him away and i doubt there’s anyone else out there who’d invest as much time and money as him.
And you never know we’re not even down yet!
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Spot on
 
Memphisboy said:
Bowler Poveda Yates Rogers Keshi Patino Fiorini Madine Gabriel I’ve never known a squad with as much talent, firepower and depth as our squad this season, on paper anyway 😀 In addition to the creativity I also think we have, when not riddled with injuries, a strong spine and a strong depth to the squad. Which is why the abuse SS and Mansford get is out of order, they’ve provided the funds and squad numbers the only problem has been the choice of managers after Critchley left us in the lurch and whilst yes Appleton and Mick haven’t done it I understood why they got the jobs and plenty of others supported the appointments at the time.
We have got to take some of the criticism as well if we hadn’t been so childish in drumming Appleton out and basically forcing the boards hands I think we’d be safe by now, there’d been plenty of signs Appleton knew what he was doing and in an injury hit first half of the season had still churned out some good wins, we beat Notts Forest by 4 the week before he was axed.
Mick has been a letdown but once we’d forced Appleton out I can’t have been the only one who thought yeah decent appointment to keep us up. So whilst this season has been a disappointment I just think it’s been one of those perfect storm seasons where everything that could go wrong has gone wrong and with hindsight the appointments weren’t great but that’s life sometimes things aren’t meant to be.
We need to stop the blame game grow a pair and support Simon otherwise be careful what you wish for we just might drive him away and i doubt there’s anyone else out there who’d invest as much time and money as him.
And you never know we’re not even down yet!
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Totally agree. There’s nowt so fickle as fans!
Just look at the Nob Enders. It wasn’t long ago they wanted Lowe, Ridsdale and the Hemmings Family out. It’s gone quiet since they started winning matches and particularly beating us.
 
Memphisboy said:
Bowler Poveda Yates Rogers Keshi Patino Fiorini Madine Gabriel I’ve never known a squad with as much talent, firepower and depth as our squad this season, on paper anyway 😀 In addition to the creativity I also think we have, when not riddled with injuries, a strong spine and a strong depth to the squad. Which is why the abuse SS and Mansford get is out of order, they’ve provided the funds and squad numbers the only problem has been the choice of managers after Critchley left us in the lurch and whilst yes Appleton and Mick haven’t done it I understood why they got the jobs and plenty of others supported the appointments at the time.
We have got to take some of the criticism as well if we hadn’t been so childish in drumming Appleton out and basically forcing the boards hands I think we’d be safe by now, there’d been plenty of signs Appleton knew what he was doing and in an injury hit first half of the season had still churned out some good wins, we beat Notts Forest by 4 the week before he was axed.
Mick has been a letdown but once we’d forced Appleton out I can’t have been the only one who thought yeah decent appointment to keep us up. So whilst this season has been a disappointment I just think it’s been one of those perfect storm seasons where everything that could go wrong has gone wrong and with hindsight the appointments weren’t great but that’s life sometimes things aren’t meant to be.
We need to stop the blame game grow a pair and support Simon otherwise be careful what you wish for we just might drive him away and i doubt there’s anyone else out there who’d invest as much time and money as him.
And you never know we’re not even down yet!
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You think we would have been safe with Appleton, what are you basing that thought on?
Didn't we go14 games without a win? We certainly didn't look like a winning side under him.
 
Memphisboy said:
Bowler Poveda Yates Rogers Keshi Patino Fiorini Madine Gabriel I’ve never known a squad with as much talent, firepower and depth as our squad this season, on paper anyway 😀 In addition to the creativity I also think we have, when not riddled with injuries, a strong spine and a strong depth to the squad. Which is why the abuse SS and Mansford get is out of order, they’ve provided the funds and squad numbers the only problem has been the choice of managers after Critchley left us in the lurch and whilst yes Appleton and Mick haven’t done it I understood why they got the jobs and plenty of others supported the appointments at the time.
We have got to take some of the criticism as well if we hadn’t been so childish in drumming Appleton out and basically forcing the boards hands I think we’d be safe by now, there’d been plenty of signs Appleton knew what he was doing and in an injury hit first half of the season had still churned out some good wins, we beat Notts Forest by 4 the week before he was axed.
Mick has been a letdown but once we’d forced Appleton out I can’t have been the only one who thought yeah decent appointment to keep us up. So whilst this season has been a disappointment I just think it’s been one of those perfect storm seasons where everything that could go wrong has gone wrong and with hindsight the appointments weren’t great but that’s life sometimes things aren’t meant to be.
We need to stop the blame game grow a pair and support Simon otherwise be careful what you wish for we just might drive him away and i doubt there’s anyone else out there who’d invest as much time and money as him.
And you never know we’re not even down yet!
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This is spot on for me. Finally, bring in the players Appleton needed and then the club sack him. I'm in no doubt we would have got more wins under Appleton compared to Mick but we don't have crystal balls and the fans were becoming too toxic towards him. I'm also convinced a small, but noisy section of our fan base will drive SS out and we will essentially say no thanks to £100m investment because of 1 bad season which was cursed by the football gods as much as anyone is to blame.
 
td53 said:
The problem is, I don't think they actually know that much about football.

McCarthy is made to look as he does by the fact our squad is possibly the least we'll suited set of players who've ever walked the earth to play Mick McCarthy football.

Appleton was not backed with key signings and then sacked as soon as he was. It made no sense at all.

We can rant and rave about managers and we can question ambition and I agree that some of that is out of line - but the decisions that shaped the football this season have been terrible.

Two of the board are fans. One of them is an agent with all sorts of contacts and possible vested interests. I'm not sure that's an ideal mix in terms of calm, objective and scientific decision making.

Perm any two fans off here and would you get the best decision making? No. We'd have an endless parade of nostalgia signings and tactical ineptitude. Two of the board members are basically us but with a bit of cash. That doesn't mean they deserve abuse - but it equally makes all the "in Simon we trust implicitly stuff" silly.

If I was Simon, I'd never sleep cos honestly, whilst I fancy myself as a decent judge of stuff in the moment, the reality is I get all sorts wrong and I'd be way out my depth.

We're desperate for some nous at the top level to support the board. I just hope Badlan isn't another layer of the decision making process which is an illusion because the learning from this season is that on our budget, poor decision making and a lack of pre planning will murder you.

There's an awful lot of shit thrown all over the place and a lot of unwarranted name calling but I think the above is true. We've got very little right for 15 months. That can happen. No club just goes forward all the time but when decisions are poor over an extended period, you've surely got to question how the decisions are made.
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So basically Sadler, Geritty and Mansford out? 😂😂😂
 
Rektseasider said:
For the first time in this new regime I’m worried.

Gerrity and Mansford next. Just wait for the announcements, Sadler’s raging.

I’m worried because he’s fallen out big time with Brett apparently. Mansford you can understand but Gerity’s his mate.
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Well, it's taken long enough, I wonder WTF is going on?
 
td53 said:
The problem is, I don't think they actually know that much about football.

McCarthy is made to look as he does by the fact our squad is possibly the least we'll suited set of players who've ever walked the earth to play Mick McCarthy football.

Appleton was not backed with key signings and then sacked as soon as he was. It made no sense at all.

We can rant and rave about managers and we can question ambition and I agree that some of that is out of line - but the decisions that shaped the football this season have been terrible.

Two of the board are fans. One of them is an agent with all sorts of contacts and possible vested interests. I'm not sure that's an ideal mix in terms of calm, objective and scientific decision making.

Perm any two fans off here and would you get the best decision making? No. We'd have an endless parade of nostalgia signings and tactical ineptitude. Two of the board members are basically us but with a bit of cash. That doesn't mean they deserve abuse - but it equally makes all the "in Simon we trust implicitly stuff" silly.

If I was Simon, I'd never sleep cos honestly, whilst I fancy myself as a decent judge of stuff in the moment, the reality is I get all sorts wrong and I'd be way out my depth.

We're desperate for some nous at the top level to support the board. I just hope Badlan isn't another layer of the decision making process which is an illusion because the learning from this season is that on our budget, poor decision making and a lack of pre planning will murder you.

There's an awful lot of shit thrown all over the place and a lot of unwarranted name calling but I think the above is true. We've got very little right for 15 months. That can happen. No club just goes forward all the time but when decisions are poor over an extended period, you've surely got to question how the decisions are made.
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But that makes the calls for managerial appointments that us fans knew to poor, as even more bizarre.

Say what you want about if fans off here were in charge...

Sucess is not guaranteed but one thing I'd guarantee I'd do, knowing what fans have been through and knowing the makeup of the town, that's try and fill the stadium at a reasonable price, try and attract the lapsed fans, casuals etc, grow the fanbase and choose managers that weren't known to be disliked or go back to a spent force.

Whether we'd be successful whoknows as that can't be guaranteed. But having as full a Bloomfield road as possible and having fans onside, a connection with the manager and making out home games a fortress with great atmospheres, you can aim towards that by doing the above, creating a feelgood factor.

That's one area I'm disappointed in, something that they could guarantee and control, the prices and the managerial choices not being something people hated or that fit us. With a fan owner I expected those areas to be a guarantee.
 
Rektseasider said:
For the first time in this new regime I’m worried.

Gerrity and Mansford next. Just wait for the announcements, Sadler’s raging.

I’m worried because he’s fallen out big time with Brett apparently. Mansford you can understand but Gerity’s his mate.
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So you expect them to go?

I quite like the idea of angry ruthless Sadler though.

Has he been let down by those he relied on?
 
Rektseasider said:
I think so, they’ve both been summoned separately and he’s gone ballistic at them. There’s was a particular event in the last 7 days that pissed him off no end.

I think they’re both done.

Last sentence is about right.
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It wouldn't surprise me. Letting fans dictate events is highly unprofessional, as is haranguing referees. Leaks seem to be springing up all over the place too. Simon needs to get a grip before things really deteriorate.
 
Rektseasider said:
I think so, they’ve both been summoned separately and he’s gone ballistic at them. There’s was a particular event in the last 7 days that pissed him off no end.

I think they’re both done.

Last sentence is about right.
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I've been told he's very demanding and this wouldn't surprise me.
 
Who was behind the sacking of the ex Coventry guy, was that Sadler or BB?

I can't imagine him endorsing the meeting with Raggy either, I think Raggy is great but that should never have happened in this day and age in a professional football club, BB out drinking and laughing with MM in Lytham the day after the Derby defeat, maybe the lunatics have tried to take over the asylum? We were all saying we need a complete clear out, maybe Sadler has had enough and may well get rid of all the people who are letting him down? If he does he will have to select carefully for replacements because he needs to get it right.
 
Martonmosser said:
Doubt it, they have been good friends for years.
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Surprised me as well, Sadler’s pissed off no end with him precisely because they are good mates. Being his eyes and ears at the club he should have reigned things in, in Sadler’s eyes.

Geritty was needed whilst he lived in HK. Sadler lives in the UK now don’t think he needs him there.
 
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