Fat

Just on the final leg of my round the World trip.
It seems we are almost on par with USA and only other country I visited with similar problem is Tonga.
A few days in Aussie and you see the odd obese teenager but nowhere near the same scale as the U.K.

Amazing how many adults haven’t a clue how to cook unless ready meal or jar.
I hate to think of the medical problems that face them in later years.

Sorry Malced. Just tucking into my Tuna Mayo Pannini sat in the sun in Dubai Marina.
 
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Just on the final leg of my round the World trip.
It seems we are almost on par with USA and only other country I visited with similar problem is Tonga.
A few days in Aussie and you see the odd obese teenager but nowhere near the same scale as the U.K.

Amazing how many adults haven’t a clue how to cook unless ready meal or jar.
I hate to think of the medical problems that face them in later years.

Sorry Malced. Just tucking into my Tuna Mayo Pannini sat in the sun in Dubai Marina.

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You just need to look at all those photos of footie firms going at it in the 80s. All of them were skinny, fit and well able to keep going all day. Nowadays the very same lads are shuffling beer bellies who can’t manage a few seconds tear up without fuelling up on Colombian. I blame the parents. 😀
 
There's a lot of patronising nonsense on here. Yes some people are well overweight because they Don't look after themselves properly. Assertion that that is simply due to bone idleness is largely wrong.
 
Ye but we ain’t allowed to call them out are we , apparently it’s called fat shaming😃 fat people struggling to walk everywhere you go it’s actually disgusting , sorry no sympathy, the main reason Doctors surgeries and hospitals are at breaking point🙁
Very few fat kids at our school because they knew they'd get stick.

Now they get counselling and support groups.
 
There's a lot of patronising nonsense on here. Yes some people are well overweight because they Don't look after themselves properly. Assertion that that is simply due to bone idleness is largely wrong.
When I see grossly obese waddling down the road on mobility scooters, I do the equation are they disabled because they are fat or are they fat because they're disabled. The first group are far more common than they ever used to be.
 
When I see grossly obese waddling down the road on mobility scooters, I do the equation are they disabled because they are fat or are they fat because they're disabled. The first group are far more common than they ever used to be.
OK I'll take that. But I know from experience (not mine btw) that lots of poor people are holding down multiple jobs and running a home and feeding kids. Their time is very tight and the last thing they can do is play at being Jamie bastard Oliver for the evening.
 
OK I'll take that. But I know from experience (not mine btw) that lots of poor people are holding down multiple jobs and running a home and feeding kids. Their time is very tight and the last thing they can do is play at being Jamie bastard Oliver for the evening.
Yes, making decent food is time consuming, and time is a precious commodity.
 
Is it really? Making pasta and rice is quick, frying some chicken takes 20 mins. Boiling potatoes and or veg takes little effort, instead of schools turning kids into exam passing robots education should teach people life skills such as cooking, sewing etc.
Shandy I'm talking about people who are struggling badly. Maybe their neighbourhood is shite, maybe they're struggling with bills, maybe their kids are being tagged by social services, maybe the roof's leaking, maybe the father's fucked off. Patronising middle class lessons in what they should eat are the least of their worries.
 
Shandy I'm talking about people who are struggling badly. Maybe their neighbourhood is shite, maybe they're struggling with bills, maybe their kids are being tagged by social services, maybe the roof's leaking, maybe the father's fucked off. Patronising middle class lessons in what they should eat are the least of their worries.
I get your point, people do have it tough. I'm not sure that teaching basic life skills in schools is patronising middle class? Schools churn out pupils who are drilled to pass exams, that's not an education. If kids can leave school and have a decent knowledge of cooking skills it's a game changer for many both health wise and money wise.
 
I get your point, people do have it tough. I'm not sure that teaching basic life skills in schools is patronising middle class? Schools churn out pupils who are drilled to pass exams, that's not an education. If kids can leave school and have a decent knowledge of cooking skills it's a game changer for many both health wise and money wise.
No, no. Your suggestion is a good one. I was getting wee'd off with the general thrust of the thread.
 
No, no. Your suggestion is a good one. I was getting wee'd off with the general thrust of the thread.

I'm surprised to hear you say that 66.

I'd say the general thrust of the thread is that it is very sad to see a rise in obesity and/or unhealthy living and that action is required.

Perhaps we wouldn't all agree with what actions are necessary but I am sure we all agree that it would be good to see everybody living more healthily.

Please don't take this as serious criticism as I know you generally mean well but I think you are being overly defensive and looking to excuse the obvious problem.
 
This is not down to one thing. Its multi-faceted. This is how I see it (in no particular order)

1. We don't move enough
- I wouldn't categorise it as laziness, but instead it's our way of life and how its evolved​
- we get transported as opposed to walking​
-we exercise less​
-we are addicted to screen time; whether that be social media, gaming, watching movies etc etc. Screen time mainly is something that's done when we're sat still​
-moving less means we don't burn as many calories so we have a calorific surplus day after day, week after week, month after month. the body stores these calories in the fat cells and thus we get fatter and fatter​
2. Eating habits
-we don't eat as many meals around the table as a family due to different working patterns compared to previous generations​
-more working mums means less time for parents to cook a balanced meal​
-we eat on the go in this fast-paced society; and such food is often unhealthy​
-we buy ready meals and other quick to cook food from the supermarket. this is often laden with hidden fat, salt, and sugar​
-we eat vast amounts of takeaway food; much more than in previous generations​
-we drink unhealthily; the soft drinks industry is huge and continuously growing; we don't drink just to quench thirst, but we do it for the pleasurable taste which often means additional calories​
-the explosion of the coffee chop culture means we are having incredibly high calorific (often creamy) drinks from costa, accompanied by a cake etc​
-we eat far too much mayonnaise​
3. Marketing

-we are bombarded with advertising for takeaways and chocolate and ice-cream and other such junk​
-we have an industry strategy to make bigger seem better; eg foot-long subway, whopper, big-mac, king-size etc etc​
-supermarkets still promote junk food with offers eg two tins of quality street for £7!​
-unhealthy snacks such as crisps are everywhere we go and usually part of any sandwich meal-deal​
4. Normalising obesity

-we are constantly being influenced by media to accept that obesity and fat people are something to be celebrated​
-this flies in the face of our approach to other forms of self-harm such as smoking too much, drinking too much or taking drugs​
-we now have super-size models that we are told we should adore and marvel at for their beauty and bravery, but this is nonsense. there's nothing to celebrate when seeing someone incredibly overweight, knowing that they're setting themselves up for a future of very severe health consequences. we shouldn't fat-shame but nor should we pretend it's ok when it very much isn't ok. these models are the opposite of a good role-model, and are giving the wrong impression to the impressionable, just as much as the stick-thin models are. both are the extreme, and the extreme is extremely unhealthy​
-we aren't doing enough to intervene when kids are becoming fat. we should look at this as potential child-abuse and make interventions for the good of the child and their future health. interventions can be soft such as education for the parents​
-too many blokes are proud of their beer-guts and don't see it as a problem; too many women carry on eating for two after child-birth and are subsequently obese for life​
Consequences:

Obesity leads to serious health problems. We have a vast amount of the NHS budget spent treating type 2 diabetes which in short, for most, is a completely avoidable lifestyle health problem.
Our nonchalant irresponsible attitude to our own bodies means we are bringing the NHS to its knees completely unnecessarily. Rather than clap the nhs, and campaign for more nhs spending, we would be much better losing weight. That's probably the most effective thing the overweight could do to help the nhs. But being overweight leads to a snowball effect because it leads to musculoskeletal problems which mean they can't exercise and need painkillers, and need diabetes drugs, and then they get high blood pressure and need drugs for that, and have heart problems and breathing problems, get depressed about their weight and want an op to remove fat or have a stomach bypass, and they need a mobility scooter and so on and so on. I generalise of course, but today's beer-swilling, pizza munching game-console addict in his mid-twenties, is tomorrow's diabetes patient. its inevitable but they don't see it coming.

Adults are getting fatter, kids are getting fatter, we are moving less, we are ingesting more calories, we are addicted to mayonnaise, we celebrate obesity and even promote the lifestyle, we shut down any criticism of obesity and class it as fat-shaming.

I don't care what adults decide to do for themselves, but I very much care for innocent kids who are being indoctrinated into this ruinous way of living. The answer isn't a quick fix such as a tummy tuck or a fat-burning pill or anti-depressants. Rather the answer starts at school with education, including practical cookery classes and anti-mayo classes as a part of the compulsory curriculum. Sadly we can no longer rely on adults to raise their kids healthily. Instead it needs to be a bottom up approach where kids educate their parents. The current generation is lost. They have lost the will, the know-how and the desire to eat healthily. We need to get into primary school education and try to turn around this heavily listing oil tanker.


Yes, Malced for Health Minister.
 
Shandy I'm talking about people who are struggling badly. Maybe their neighbourhood is shite, maybe they're struggling with bills, maybe their kids are being tagged by social services, maybe the roof's leaking, maybe the father's fucked off. Patronising middle class lessons in what they should eat are the least of their worries.

Sorry 66 but I just don’t agree on this one. Are you saying that as life is hectic the move to eating take aways and save 20 mins cooking time should be the norm?

I grew up in a very poor household in a shit hole town. My mother always cooked. She held down 2 jobs (one cleaning) and the kids weren’t fat. It’s not middle class advice, it’s clear that obesity at any age takes up health resources and time. Screen time for kids is now off the scale and the same for most adults.

I do get your comment that sweeping generalisations don’t help and are judging, however this obesity crisis is getting worse and it’s a life choice. It is child abuse. The parent has the choice to sacrifice leisure time for health time. If that means not scrolling down on Tik Tok or Face cloth for 30 mins that is still a choice.
 
Sorry 66 but I just don’t agree on this one. Are you saying that as life is hectic the move to eating take aways and save 20 mins cooking time should be the norm?

I grew up in a very poor household in a shit hole town. My mother always cooked. She held down 2 jobs (one cleaning) and the kids weren’t fat. It’s not middle class advice, it’s clear that obesity at any age takes up health resources and time. Screen time for kids is now off the scale and the same for most adults.

I do get your comment that sweeping generalisations don’t help and are judging, however this obesity crisis is getting worse and it’s a life choice. It is child abuse. The parent has the choice to sacrifice leisure time for health time. If that means not scrolling down on Tik Tok or Face cloth for 30 mins that is still a choice.
Well said 👏
 
I'm surprised to hear you say that 66.

I'd say the general thrust of the thread is that it is very sad to see a rise in obesity and/or unhealthy living and that action is required.

Perhaps we wouldn't all agree with what actions are necessary but I am sure we all agree that it would be good to see everybody living more healthily.

Please don't take this as serious criticism as I know you generally mean well but I think you are being overly defensive and looking to excuse the obvious problem.
Perhaps I was picking on just one aspect of the thread; the way that some posters see the problem through the prism of laziness and not being bothered to cook. That aside, I agree completely that obesity is a problem. Food advertising is a major issue and the loading of processed food with sugar is a problem. Apologies if I have misrepresented that.
 
Sorry 66 but I just don’t agree on this one. Are you saying that as life is hectic the move to eating take aways and save 20 mins cooking time should be the norm?

I grew up in a very poor household in a shit hole town. My mother always cooked. She held down 2 jobs (one cleaning) and the kids weren’t fat. It’s not middle class advice, it’s clear that obesity at any age takes up health resources and time. Screen time for kids is now off the scale and the same for most adults.

I do get your comment that sweeping generalisations don’t help and are judging, however this obesity crisis is getting worse and it’s a life choice. It is child abuse. The parent has the choice to sacrifice leisure time for health time. If that means not scrolling down on Tik Tok or Face cloth for 30 mins that is still a choice.
Me too, I was brought up in extremely poor conditions and apart from the very occasional bad of chips from the chippy, all food was cooked at home even though both my parents and grandmother, who lived with us worked. It is different now though, and it’s the easy availability of take away food. In my day it was fish & chips and that was it, no Chinese, Italian, Indian restaurants, so it’s tempting for peopl.
 
Sorry 66 but I just don’t agree on this one. Are you saying that as life is hectic the move to eating take aways and save 20 mins cooking time should be the norm?

I grew up in a very poor household in a shit hole town. My mother always cooked. She held down 2 jobs (one cleaning) and the kids weren’t fat. It’s not middle class advice, it’s clear that obesity at any age takes up health resources and time. Screen time for kids is now off the scale and the same for most adults.

I do get your comment that sweeping generalisations don’t help and are judging, however this obesity crisis is getting worse and it’s a life choice. It is child abuse. The parent has the choice to sacrifice leisure time for health time. If that means not scrolling down on Tik Tok or Face cloth for 30 mins that is still a choice.
My point is that I can understand people looking for easy-to-prepare, comfort foods that require little thought in preparing. I'm certainly not referring to an over-reliance on take aways. The latter is not something to be encouraged, either health-wise or financially.
 
Me too, I was brought up in extremely poor conditions and apart from the very occasional bad of chips from the chippy, all food was cooked at home even though both my parents and grandmother, who lived with us worked. It is different now though, and it’s the easy availability of take away food. In my day it was fish & chips and that was it, no Chinese, Italian, Indian restaurants, so it’s tempting for peopl.
Plus we didn’t have aTV, and of course there were no mobile phones or game consoles, so we played out instead of sitting in our bedrooms looking at a screen.
 
Perhaps I was picking on just one aspect of the thread; the way that some posters see the problem through the prism of laziness and not being bothered to cook. That aside, I agree completely that obesity is a problem. Food advertising is a major issue and the loading of processed food with sugar is a problem. Apologies if I have misrepresented that.

No probs 66 and apologies if my criticism was a tad harsh.

To be honest, I really do think that laziness plays a big part in the problem but there are certainly other factors, some of which you mention.

I don't think anybody on the thread is getting any satisfaction from calling out fat people, I'd say - without going down the political route which everything leads to eventually - that all the contributors on the thread would like nothing better than for everybody to be more healthy.
 
I started the thread, and I’ll put it out there, I’m overweight, always had a problem with my weight, only time I was ok, was when I played rugby, and then later on ran thre mornings a week and played squash three nights a week.

So you could say I shouldn’t be critical of fat people, because I am, however, I do try and I manage to keep it so I don’t look really fat. The problem is that many others don’t even try, I think they get to a stage where they think it’s impossible.
 
Again bad publicity for Blackpool, third highest obesity in the country, with 2 out of 5 over 18 either obese or overweight. I hope they don’t ban pies.
I don't get the bad publicity, Blackpool is usually top of the lists so to be 3rd is surely a win... it's moving up, or down...

Yet its still headline news, Blackpool could come 20th and it would still be news and people saying that's not a good reflection on the town.
 
On the fat issue, I attended the 12 week course run by the BFC community trust.
Given good ,interesting advice about diet, size of portions etc... I found it very helpful, and I've lost a few pounds, and in general feel healthier and fitter since attending.
Just a group of bit overweight, "older" blokes enjoying each others company, and learning in a relaxed easy atmosphere. I know they also run courses for women as well. After the education, you go under the stands for an enjoyable circuit training session.
Seb ran the course in a friendly interesting way, really worthwhile signing up........and it's FREE!
Mate of mine, has just signed up for the January course.
Ring Seb at the community trust. And well done the 'Pool for giving us the opportunity.
 
I don't often eat Takeaways but Wednesday my son and his girlfriend popped round for a catch up so decided to get one delivered from ordering to delivery it was about an hour and nearly £50 for 4.

Now I know why I don't get them could have had Fillet steak, dessert and bottle of wine for that amount not some cheap meat in a sauce with rice and served it in less time than it came.

People are lazy and use long hours as some kind of excuse and I think this is sometimes not only the cooking but the cleaning up after they don't want to do just throw the container in the bin.

From my front door there are nine takeaways open in less than 10 min walk now we are all supposed to be suffering financially I'm expecting closures over the coming years but I won't hold my breath.
 
I don't often eat Takeaways but Wednesday my son and his girlfriend popped round for a catch up so decided to get one delivered from ordering to delivery it was about an hour and nearly £50 for 4.

Now I know why I don't get them could have had Fillet steak, dessert and bottle of wine for that amount not some cheap meat in a sauce with rice and served it in less time than it came.

People are lazy and use long hours as some kind of excuse and I think this is sometimes not only the cooking but the cleaning up after they don't want to do just throw the container in the bin.

From my front door there are nine takeaways open in less than 10 min walk now we are all supposed to be suffering financially I'm expecting closures over the coming years but I won't hold my breath.
Great points made - forgot about the cleaning up bit, that extra 5 mins of tidying and cleaning your own cooking is valuable screen time.

Takeaway just isn’t cheap it’s an expensive option. I think the fact (as you state) that there are so many takeaways in every town and village shows where money is being spent.

Everyone saying how hard it is to survive on income and how the nhs is crumbling under pressure and yet our society it’s getting fatter buying expensive take aways.

As an aside - a lad that works for me has lost 3 stone in 6 months after joining ‘fat football’ as he calls it. Funded by the local authority if they commit to turning up every week and the games are dictated by how much weight you’ve lost as well as how many goals you’ve scored.
He loves it (some education thrown in too like above) and said his back no longer hurts like it did.
 
Great points made - forgot about the cleaning up bit, that extra 5 mins of tidying and cleaning your own cooking is valuable screen time.

Takeaway just isn’t cheap it’s an expensive option. I think the fact (as you state) that there are so many takeaways in every town and village shows where money is being spent.

Everyone saying how hard it is to survive on income and how the nhs is crumbling under pressure and yet our society it’s getting fatter buying expensive take aways.

As an aside - a lad that works for me has lost 3 stone in 6 months after joining ‘fat football’ as he calls it. Funded by the local authority if they commit to turning up every week and the games are dictated by how much weight you’ve lost as well as how many goals you’ve scored.
He loves it (some education thrown in too like above) and said his back no longer hurts like it did.

 
So combining this thread with the long hours and heating on yet? threads the “takeaway” points are:

1. Everyone should work at least 100 hours plus a week and if not they are officially work shy.
2. When they eventually get home they should whip up a three course meal with all the trimmings comprising only fresh home grown produce and then enjoy some quality time with the kids. If not they are at risk of being accused of being child abusers and social services should immediately intervene.
3. There’s no excuse for having the heating on unless it’s at least 10 degrees below outside. Central heating is for weaklings and the root cause of all the problems in the NHS.

Anyone who disagrees with the above is a bone idle skiver with no self pride, a dreadful parent and a warmth loving wimp to boot.
 
So combining this thread with the long hours and heating on yet? threads the “takeaway” points are:

1. Everyone should work at least 100 hours plus a week and if not they are officially work shy.
2. When they eventually get home they should whip up a three course meal with all the trimmings comprising only fresh home grown produce and then enjoy some quality time with the kids. If not they are at risk of being accused of being child abusers and social services should immediately intervene.
3. There’s no excuse for having the heating on unless it’s at least 10 degrees below outside. Central heating is for weaklings and the root cause of all the problems in the NHS.

Anyone who disagrees with the above is a bone idle skiver with no self pride, a dreadful parent and a warmth loving wimp to boot.

Ah, the good old days…….
😉
 
So combining this thread with the long hours and heating on yet? threads the “takeaway” points are:

1. Everyone should work at least 100 hours plus a week and if not they are officially work shy.
2. When they eventually get home they should whip up a three course meal with all the trimmings comprising only fresh home grown produce and then enjoy some quality time with the kids. If not they are at risk of being accused of being child abusers and social services should immediately intervene.
3. There’s no excuse for having the heating on unless it’s at least 10 degrees below outside. Central heating is for weaklings and the root cause of all the problems in the NHS.

Anyone who disagrees with the above is a bone idle skiver with no self pride, a dreadful parent and a warmth loving wimp to boot.
Sounds about right except the 3 course meal is too many calories.

Simple chicken with salad or veg or even a baked fish will suffice!

Also 37.5 hours is plenty. Productivity drops off beyond that so plenty of time to cook and be with the family. 👍
 
Was with a friend a couple of days ago who would really benefit from a hip replacement but they’re loathe to do it because she’s considered too young. She was telling me that her consultant has asked if he can discharge her because he’s got so many patients on his list. She told him she was fine with that because she knows that her symptoms are much relieved when she maintains her weight beneath a certain level. He enthusiastically agreed with her and said it’s all about the weight and half jokingly asked her if she would consider giving a talk to the rest of his patients!
 
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