Dominic Cummings dusting off his "Dirt on Boris" file

It was Princess Nut-Nuts who insisted Cummings got sacked or it was no more humping for Big Dog.
Apparently, Bozo was reluctant until other SPADs insinuated DC “was briefing against him” and then had to work himself up to it with a ‘shouty’ confrontation. We all know that Bozo is woefully indecisive and prevaricates until the last minute for every decision.
 
Malced said:
Irony is that no one could stand Cummings and called him a liar over Durhamgate. Now the same folk want to hang on his every word.
You don’t believe him, but you do believe him when it suits. Pathetic really.
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Never believed him about his own actions, no. But when it comes to his Johnson file - you're damn right he is believed.
 
Malced said:
By all accounts he was a nasty, bullying, vile person to work with. I think Boris deserves some credit for getting rid, despite knowing there’d be the inevitable backlash.
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Did he not employ him in the first place. Fully knowing what he was like. 😬
 
FO to North Korea then Olly the wally your man Dominic will drive you there himself( though not by the most direct route).🤣😜🇬🇧
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Never believed him about his own actions, no. But when it comes to his Johnson file - you're damn right he is believed.
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exactly my point. you believe him when it suits. even when he's bitter and angry and trying to take revenge on others; not exactly the optimal conditions for speaking the truth eh?
 
Malced said:
exactly my point. you believe him when it suits. even when he's bitter and angry and trying to take revenge on others; not exactly the optimal conditions for speaking the truth eh?
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No, I'm not daft and neither are others on this site who hold the same views. Cummings was obviously lying about himself. We all knew it and he knew we knew it. Regarding Johnson, you can bet that he's telling the truth. There's nothing more dangerous than a Cummings scorned.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Sir Keir has ditched the entirety of what he promised in his bid to become leader, does that make him a lying bastard?
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No he has listened and realised to his credit that Labour must now be a pro Brexit party pro UK unionist party. Why there is even a photo somewhere of him sitting at a desk with two 🇬🇧🇬🇧 proudly on display either side of him. Shame he is a boring speaker and a multi millionaire socialist- as is Jeremy Corblimey though luckily not many get to hear him speak anymore.🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧😂😂🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧😂😂🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
 
Lost Seasider said:
Sir Keir has ditched the entirety of what he promised in his bid to become leader, does that make him a lying bastard?
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What are you on about? Starmer has not had to make any promises yet. He was elected as Labour leader in April 2020, so has not yet been responsible for a General Election manifesto. On the other hand, the Tories now seem to have torn up their 2019 GE manifesto and yet nearly every putative candidate for PM seems to claim a “mandate” from it.

Levelling up, my arse. Even Rishi Sunak was caught on camera admitting to diverting government funds from poorer northern areas to provide extra funding for places like Uxbridge.
 
Archibald Knox said:
What are you on about? Starmer has not had to make any promises yet. He was elected as Labour leader in April 2020, so has not yet been responsible for a General Election manifesto. On the other hand, the Tories now seem to have torn up their 2019 GE manifesto and yet nearly every putative candidate for PM seems to claim a “mandate” from it.

Levelling up, my arse. Even Rishi Sunak was caught on camera admitting to diverting government funds from poorer northern areas to provide extra funding for places like Uxbridge.
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The promises he made to his members to get elected leader, I'm sure you can google "Keir Starmer broken promises" as well as me.
 
So why don’t you list them? I am fairly sure that we will find that you agree with all of these decisions. Would that make you a Starmer supporter or a hypocrite?
 
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Archibald Knox said:
So why don’t you list them?
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That aimed at me?

Fair enough, since you don't have the energy to use google here's a link to Sir Keir's ten pledges, and here are various articles discussing him breaking those pledges:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...armer-scraps-ten-socialist-manifesto-pledges/

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...honesty-keir-starmer-labour-abandoned-pledges

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-conference-pledges-b1928605.html

https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/10-broken-pledges

https://www.thenational.scot/news/2...liverpool-labour-voter-rages-broken-promises/

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...d-gone-factional-war-how-will-labour-respond/

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...-labour-manifesto_uk_62badcbfe4b080fb670a2baa

https://skwawkbox.org/2022/07/30/th...mers-broken-promises-and-betrayal-of-workers/

https://www.varsity.co.uk/opinion/24085

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...ce-boris-johnson-10-pledges-jeremy-corbyn-spt

There are many more out there.


Archibald Knox said:
I am fairly sure that we will find that you agree with all of these decisions. Would that make you a Starmer supporter or a hypocrite?
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Surely a hypocrite is someone who condemns one politician for lying, but is happy to turn a blind eye to other politicians doing the same when it suits him.
 
None are lies. Someone who cannot change their mind is unintelligent. Like Truss.

Do you agree with Starmer’s “ten decisions” or not? Simple question. 🎣
 
Archibald Knox said:
Do you agree with Starmer’s “ten decisions” or not? Simple question.
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Irrelevant question.

Is he a liar or not? The evidence suggests yes.



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I see you've edited your post to try and justify Starmer's "lies", I doubt there are many on here who are gullible enough to think he ever intended to honour them in the first place.
 
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But it’s the question I am asking... and you are unable to answer it. That’s your debating loss then. 1-0
Cheerio, I am off to celebrate the 4-2. 🍺
 
Archibald Knox said:
But it’s the question I am asking... and you are unable to answer it. That’s your debating loss then. 1-0
Cheerio, I am off to celebrate the 4-2.
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The Labour party isn't remotely fit for office, that fact that Sir Keir lied through his teeth to get the job doesn't change that fact, if anything it proves it.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The Labour party isn't remotely fit for office, that fact that Sir Keir lied through his teeth to get the job doesn't change that fact, if anything it proves it.
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Johnson's lies have been endless eg about building 40 hospitals. You can research the rest. Could take you some time to compile it ( if youre even interested).
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"Johnson's lies have been endless eg about building 40 hospitals. You can research the rest. Could take you some time to compile it ( if youre even interested)".

@Always tangerine, do you not even look at what you've posted?

In any event, please do feel free to compile a list of these lies, and only actual lies where it is proven he knew he was not telling the truth, and not things that could be subject to interpretation, or genuine mistakes.
 
For what it's worth I'd say Boris, Sunak and Starmer are all wrong'uns.

I'd save Starmer from jail though.

I'd put Boris and the snake in jail unless they could prove that they didn't get plenty out of Covid.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
For what it's worth I'd say Boris, Sunak and Starmer are all wrong'uns.

I'd save Starmer from jail though.

I'd put Boris and the snake in jail unless they could prove that they didn't get plenty out of Covid.
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Guilty until proven innocent, the foundation of any justice system.

If you're interested, there's a 100+ page court judgement here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vJHxocQbUmp5nj1b71ry3W352MHS1nhg/view, which explains how the procurement system worked during the pandemic, para's 45 onwards and especially 52 - 54 are of particular relevance, the short version being that contracts for PPE were entirely in the hands of Civil Servants, particularly David Williams, Chris Young and Jon Fundrey, and not ministers or the Prime Minister.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Guilty until proven innocent, the foundation of any justice system.

If you're interested, there's a 100+ page court judgement here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vJHxocQbUmp5nj1b71ry3W352MHS1nhg/view, which explains how the procurement system worked during the pandemic, para's 45 onwards and especially 52 - 54 are of particular relevance, the short version being that contracts for PPE were entirely in the hands of Civil Servants, particularly David Williams, Chris Young and Jon Fundrey, and not ministers or the Prime Minister.
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Thank you for saving so many lives with your graphs, Lost 👍🏻
 
Lost Seasider said:
Guilty until proven innocent, the foundation of any justice system.

If you're interested, there's a 100+ page court judgement here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vJHxocQbUmp5nj1b71ry3W352MHS1nhg/view, which explains how the procurement system worked during the pandemic, para's 45 onwards and especially 52 - 54 are of particular relevance, the short version being that contracts for PPE were entirely in the hands of Civil Servants, particularly David Williams, Chris Young and Jon Fundrey, and not ministers or the Prime Minister.
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Lost

I am aware that the views and opinions that I offer on a BFC messageboard are not worth 2 bob but here goes:

I know that I didn't say it on my original post but you are getting the Full Monty now.

I think that now that Covid is finished - insert the exact correct position if that upsets anyone - there should be an enquiry into the possible misuse of public money during the pandemic.

I think that an amnesty should be offered to all those involved and before the enquiry starts they should be given the opportunity to payback any monies that may possibly have been obtained less than honestly.

I would be willing to let everybody who pays back dishonestly received funds escape without any further penalties.

There would then be a full enquiry that looks at all the procurement in order to confirm that everything was above board.

In the event of any misuse of public money, all the culprits should not collect £200 and should advance straight to jail.

Lost - I know that you will very probably be about to send me some more copied and pasted details of how every single penny spent was above board but I can't think why all those involved in the procurement etc, would turn down the opportunity I am giving which provides them with an opportunity to confirm to all stakeholders that they behaved properly throughout.

It wouldn't be for me to comment on what I thought about everybody possibly involved in my proposed enquiry but it would save a lot of time and money if we were just to lock up Boris and Sunak and through the key away, of course that's assuming that neither of them would be willing to take advantage of my kind offer of an amnesty.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
I think that now that Covid is finished - insert the exact correct position if that upsets anyone - there should be an enquiry into the possible misuse of public money during the pandemic.
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I think my point is that there've already been multiple enquiries into the misuse of public funds, both from the NAO and court challenges like the one highlighted above, and the terms of reference for the official public enquiry also include this, but so far they have all come to the same conclusion, there is no evidence whatsoever of corruption or misuse of funds by ministers, or indeed the senior Civil Servants who were the true custodians of the funds.

Essentially, all the claims of "contracts for tory mates" and so-on are lies and smears by the Labour Party and their fellow travellers, and they've been given far too much mileage by supposedly neutral media outlets.

And no, if there is genuine evidence of fraud or theft or other criminal acts, I don't think there's a case for amnesty.
 
Lost Seasider said:
I think my point is that there've already been multiple enquiries into the misuse of public funds, both from the NAO and court challenges like the one highlighted above, and the terms of reference for the official public enquiry also include this, but so far they have all come to the same conclusion, there is no evidence whatsoever of corruption or misuse of funds by ministers, or indeed the senior Civil Servants who were the true custodians of the funds.

Essentially, all the claims of "contracts for tory mates" and so-on are lies and smears by the Labour Party and their fellow travellers, and they've been given far too much mileage by supposedly neutral media outlets.

And no, if there is genuine evidence of fraud or theft or other criminal acts, I don't think there's a case for amnesty.
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Lost

I never mentioned anything about "contracts for Tory mates" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm only joking there and going out now but I'm not sure that the Public Accounts Committee share your confidence that everything was above board.

Corruption aside, I was not happy with the Government's response to Covid in the slightest and we will be paying for it for years to come.

Before you say it, I know things would have been far worse under a Labour Government but that's got nothing to do with anything.

Another time Lost and apologies for any sarcasm towards you in my previous posts.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Lost

I never mentioned anything about "contracts for Tory mates" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No, but you did say you'd put Boris and Sunak in jail, so the implications are clear.


SEASIDE2020 said:
I'm only joking there and going out now but I'm not sure that the Public Accounts Committee share your confidence that everything was above board.
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The PAC is chaired by a Labour MP, and populated (among others) by Conservative MPs who weren't given jobs by Mr Johnson, I wouldn't trust their opinion in the slightest.


SEASIDE2020 said:
Corruption aside, I was not happy with the Government's response to Covid in the slightest and we will be paying for it for years to come.
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The question you have to ask yourself is whether your unhappiness is properly justified, or whether it is based on lies and deception that Labour have successfully seeded in the media.
 
Lost Seasider said:
"Johnson's lies have been endless eg about building 40 hospitals. You can research the rest. Could take you some time to compile it ( if youre even interested)".

@Always tangerine, do you not even look at what you've posted?

In any event, please do feel free to compile a list of these lies, and only actual lies where it is proven he knew he was not telling the truth, and not things that could be subject to interpretation, or genuine mistakes.
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He is currently lying about having 100 nominations.
 
Ollygon said:
He's still kept a lot back for a rainy day.

If Lying Bastard raises his head above the parapet, watch out for more revelations intended to sink him
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Bear in mind we're still awaiting the outcome of the Privileges committee enquiry into whether he lied to Parliament.

How amusing would it be if he gets in, then has to stand down because of his lying.
 
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