Dobbie

Would be a good opportunity for him. No real relegation pressure this season.
Would be a kind of step up similar to current job role with the youth teams - Accy sized to rely on youth / youngsters on loan.
 
Sooty59 said:
You know this for definite?
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It was said somewhere that the job was not offered but talked about at the start of the season but one of them wasn’t keen on it.
I’m sure others on here will have seen it n may have further info..
 
I don't know Dobbie well beyond a couple of playground chats (kids at same school).

What I do know is that he is a smart cookie, and would know to steer well clear of a club who's owner spat his dummy and has publicly committed to putting it into administration. There will be no Accrington Stanley by 2025 unless they change owner. It would be an insane career choice.

www.accringtonstanley.co.uk

STATEMENT: Chairman, Andy Holt, in His Own Words and Unedited

An update from me… regarding the termination of John Coleman’s and Jimmy Bell’s contracts.
www.accringtonstanley.co.uk www.accringtonstanley.co.uk
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Based on the teams performances under his short tenure as opposed to Critchleys tactics, I think your reaction is more fantasy than mine. I also didn't suggest that they would be top of the league either.
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In fairness your ‘reaction’ is the very definition of fantasy. The idea that Dobbie would have delivered better results exists purely in your own head and there’s nothing much to back up your fantasy.

The idea that half a dozen games as a caretaker and a side that can play with a shit or bust mentality is some kind of barometer for him to deliver better results than a manager with one of the best records in our history is a complete nonsense.
 
Isn't this just the typical AVFTT mind set.....

"In my mind I'm a genius at football management".....Because In reality, "I'm coaching an under 9's girls football team".
"I believe this person will be a great football manager".....Because in reality, "I watched them play football about 10 years ago.

Its opinion reported as a fact...and one that some on here would die fighting for, because it's their 'opinion'
Just because you have bollox.....doesn't mean you have to talk it as well.........In my Opinion
 
I don’t know if that’s a smart appointment for Stanley they ideally need somebody with long standing contacts who know of non league players with potential to step up.It’s all well knowing the youth players around the area but that’s a physical league and will need some strong experienced players with a scattering of youth to compliment it.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
He also wouldn’t be as high in the League or attracted some of the players who wanted to come to work with a top class coach.
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Would Brest have trusted us with Dembele ?

Was Dembele attracted to the fact that NC has a track record of having developed current Premier League stars ?

Or would he have just gone anywhere to get a game ? Doubt it .
 
Agree with Angel

Would Dobbie have got the best out of Dembele....?
Celtic let his contract run out and leave the club at 19 after playing 8 games and scoring 1 goal
Brest let him play 16 times and then let him leave on loan....Maybe because his contract finishes in July of this year

Now.....how many clubs will be calling him and offering a contract....but in reality, it's Critch that's got the best out of the lad and is developing him.
 
AngelBFC said:
Would Brest have trusted us with Dembele ?

Was Dembele attracted to the fact that NC has a track record of having developed current Premier League stars ?

Or would he have just gone anywhere to get a game ? Doubt it .
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I'm not suggesting we'd be top of the league under Dobbie but I agree that the Critch supporters are also stretching things.

"Was Dembele attracted to the fact - it's actually subjective but nevermind - that NC has a track record of having developed current Premier League stars ?"

I'd imagine that Dembele didn't have a fecking clue who Critchley was before he came.

I would have had Critchley over Dobbie every day of the week and three times on a Sunday but plenty on this thread are perhaps being a little over dismissive of what Dobbie might have brought ?

Who is to say that the players might not have benefitted from a perhaps less regimented style of play ?

Critchley may have been a "greater draw" than Dobbie but would some of the younger less experienced players in the squad - or perhaps some who wouldn't even be in the squad under Critchley ? - flourished because of the greater faith shown in them by a more expansive manager ?

Please don't get me wrong, I'm still saying Critchley over Dobbie but I think many are overegging Critchley here and dismissing Dobbie too easily.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
Agree with Angel

Would Dobbie have got the best out of Dembele....?
Celtic let his contract run out and leave the club at 19 after playing 8 games and scoring 1 goal
Brest let him play 16 times and then let him leave on loan....Maybe because his contract finishes in July of this year

Now.....how many clubs will be calling him and offering a contract....but in reality, it's Critch that's got the best out of the lad and is developing him.
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That's a fair and good point B Side.

I disagree with Angel in that I don't think Dembele knew who Critchley was when he came.

However, Critchley has been the boss throughout Dembele's time with us, we don't know what would have happened with Dembele or whether he would have been here under Dobbie but we can certainly say that his time with us has been a successful one and Critchley must be praised for bringing him and for how he has handled him during his stay.

We don't know exactly what part Critchley played in getting him in or exactly what part he has played in his success here but one thing for sure is that Critch would have been criticised if Dembele had failed to make any impact.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Don’t be ridiculous
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He certainly wouldn't have had a clue who he was before the move was muted.

Those involved in the move might have used Critch's involvement as a positive.

I have nothing against Critch, he did very well with us first time round and clearly left us in a far better position than the one he inherited and I think the criticism he received was ridiculous but his record since is questionable.

He's hardly the Messiah and let's be honest about things there are not too many young players dreaming of playing under him, that is not to say that he is not a capable coach.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
He certainly wouldn't have had a clue who he was before the move was muted.

Those involved in the move might have used Critch's involvement as a positive.

I have nothing against Critch, he did very well with us first time round and clearly left us in a far better position than the one he inherited and I think the criticism he received was ridiculous but his record since is questionable.

He's hardly the Messiah and let's be honest about things there are not too many young players dreaming of playing under him, that is not to say that he is not a capable coach.
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Of course he would ffs… 🙄He’s been on Celtic’s books as a Junior since 2013, during which time Critchley’s been involved in Youth football at Liverpool…. He’s have to have spent his career with his head up his backside not to know who Critchley is… You’re just assuming the fact that you hadn’t heard of him means that those within the game won’t have….

Critchley made it clear when he arrived that he’d taken a keen interest in KD’s progress and the two will have come into regular contact.

His record isn’t remotely ‘questionable’ either really… The reaction from our supporters to his record is certainly questionable though… or ‘Smacked Arse’ to put it more accurately.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course he would ffs… 🙄He’s been on Celtic’s books as a Junior since 2013, during which time Critchley’s been involved in Youth football at Liverpool…. He’s have to have spent his career with his head up his backside not to know who Critchley is… You’re just assuming the fact that you hadn’t heard of him means that those within the game won’t have….

Critchley made it clear when he arrived that he’d taken a keen interest in KD’s progress and the two will have come into regular contact.

His record isn’t remotely ‘questionable’ either really… The reaction from our supporters to his record is certainly questionable though… or ‘Smacked Arse’ to put it more accurately.
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I am aware that Dembele was at Celtic from a young age.

Critchley may have taken a keen interest in Dembele without Dembele having a clue who he was.

I think it's fair to say that Critchley's record "since he left us" is questionable.

He was a coach at Villa and they failed miserably, I'm not suggesting that was down to Critchley but they seem to be doing OK since he left.

He was the manager at QPR and they failed miserably, even though he obviously had far greater responsibility there than he had at Villa, it's fair to say that the club has problems and it's possible that outside factors prevented him doing the things he wanted do for the club to progess.

Certainly fair to say that there were will have been factors affecting his performance at both clubs but I'm sure plenty will think that my "questionable" comment was being kind to him.

I have nothing against Critchley but if you are suggesting that he was successful at either Villa and/or QPR then I think you are being too kind.

He's not Guardiola, he's not Colin Hendry, I generally agree with you when it comes to the boring Critchley debates and I'm with you with Critchley over Dobbie, I just think that many of those supporting Critchley are blowing up Critchley and are being too dismissive of Dobbie - see my first post above.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course he would ffs… 🙄He’s been on Celtic’s books as a Junior since 2013, during which time Critchley’s been involved in Youth football at Liverpool…. He’s have to have spent his career with his head up his backside not to know who Critchley is… You’re just assuming the fact that you hadn’t heard of him means that those within the game won’t have….

Critchley made it clear when he arrived that he’d taken a keen interest in KD’s progress and the two will have come into regular contact.

His record isn’t remotely ‘questionable’ either really… The reaction from our supporters to his record is certainly questionable though… or ‘Smacked Arse’ to put it more accurately.
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If you were to go to Lennoxtown tomorrow and ask all the young players in Celtic's youth/development squad who Neil Critchley was, do you think they'd know.

I'd suggest 2 or 3 of them - at the very most - would know, the young foreigners wouldn't have a clue.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
If you were to go to Lennoxtown tomorrow and ask all the young players in Celtic's youth/development squad who Neil Critchley was, do you think they'd know.

I'd suggest 2 or 3 of them - at the very most - would know, the young foreigners wouldn't have a clue.
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Yes… I’d expect any player who’s spent any time in youth football at a decent level over the last decade will be well aware of who NC is.

It’s utter nonsense to think they wouldn’t tbh
 
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