Defence?

1966_and_all_that

1966_and_all_that

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Had the knobbers had their shooting boots on - and despite the criticism Maxy did make some good saves - then it might have been a tighter affair than it was.

My concern is that the defence is not solid. It's easy to point the finger at Marv but we have a midfielder at right-back. Connolly is missed in midfield and Gabriel at right-back. Marv cannot be a centre-half and a right-back. This is a key weakness.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Had the knobbers had their shooting boots on - and despite the criticism Maxy did make some good saves - then it might have been a tighter affair than it was.

My concern is that the defence is not solid. It's easy to point the finger at Marv but we have a midfielder at right-back. Connolly is missed in midfield and Gabriel at right-back. Marv cannot be a centre-half and a right-back. This is a key weakness.
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Agreed but today is not about that…it’s about The Mighty 4 Nobbers 2
 
Marv has been hit and miss this season, Thorniley has been consistently excellent but we have Gabriel out long term injured, Hubby was out for ages, comes back and goes of with a hamstring injury today, Connolly is filling in at right back because we didn't strengthen there, Thommo is promising but has a bad mistake in him too often at the moment, Garbutt is not good enough and Williams looks shaky, although he did well when he came on for the injured Thorniley today (a new defensive injury). We have no cover, we have players in the squad who really shouldn't be in it so recruitment of players is where it keeps going back to. For me it's BB: Time to go, time to go, time to go time to go time to go.......
 
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Today was fantastic, but other than we're enjoying the night (cheers everyone), we now have to look forward.
My big worry is: We have picked up more injuries (due to Tues / Sat games), our defence is already weak, and we now play 2 games a week until the stupid world cup break. AND we play teams who are around us and who we must take points from.
 
We have been a man short at RB all season because Lyons isn’t available until January.
We have been a man short at CB as well because of losing Keough and sending both Tharme and Casey out on loan (I assume they cannot be recalled?).
Unfortunately Connoly cannot play in three positions at once, so we are one more injury away from having an unpluggable hole in the defence assuming Thorniley and Husband will be out fot a while?
 
We didn't actually play that well on the ball, but we have had tough games with a threadbare squad, so many missing.

Sometimes all the tippy tippy passing means nowt and its all about the finishing.

We battered them at finishing with a depleted squad.

Husband hadn't played in ages bar some minutes against Hull. Thorniley was 50/50 and had to go off, Bridcutt still not fully fit and went off, Madine struggling. So many players out.

The character of the lads cannot be questioned. It's immense.
 
Defence was shaky today understandably with injuries, but their goals came from poor defending, standing off, leaving them space to run at us and cross at will. Maxwell rooted to his line when he sh have come out. I’m sure MA will get to grips with it.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Marv has been hit and miss this season, Thorniley has been consistently excellent but we have Gabriel out long term injured, Hubby was out for ages, comes back and goes of with a hamstring injury today, Connolly is filling in at right back because we didn't strengthen there, Thommo is promising but has a bad mistake in him too often at the moment, Garbutt is shit and Williams looks shaky, although he did well when he came on for the injured Thorniley today (a new defensive injury). We have no cover, we have players in the squad who really shouldn't be in it so recruitment of players is where it keeps going back to. For me it's BB: Time to go, time to go, time to go time to go time to go.......
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You have just listed all our injuries ,called another player shit and then laid the blame elsewhere . Maybe its time for you to go with such a sh@te post.
 
The world cup break will be a godsend. Hopefully Husband and Thornley are not bad injuries. Lyons comes in Jan. May be worth recalling Tharme. Lavery only out 1 more game and Keshi close. The break will give Fiorini, Stewart, Gabriel and Beesley time. Hope some of these guys are able to get in a couple of weeksbof training in the break.
 
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You have just listed all our injuries ,called another player shit and then laid the blame elsewhere . Maybe its time for you to go with such a sh@te post.
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The thing is we should have adequate cover for that amount of injures and we're running out, and Garbutt is not Championship standard and would have been sent off to another club if he hadn't been injured.
 
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Gabriel Thornley Husband Lyons
Bridcutt Stewart
Fiorinni
Lavery Beesley Keshi

This is a good team and a big boost if we can get them back. Maybe January we just need to make that 1 crucial signing..
 
LA-KINGS said:
Gabriel Thornley Husband Lyons
Bridcutt Stewart
Fiorinni
Lavery Beesley Keshi

This is a good team and a big boost if we can get them back. Maybe January we just need to make that 1 crucial signing..
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Husband is back, lyons is a RB isn't he....

But yes we have a lot out and not a bad side.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Marv has been hit and miss this season, Thorniley has been consistently excellent but we have Gabriel out long term injured, Hubby was out for ages, comes back and goes of with a hamstring injury today, Connolly is filling in at right back because we didn't strengthen there, Thommo is promising but has a bad mistake in him too often at the moment, Garbutt is shit and Williams looks shaky, although he did well when he came on for the injured Thorniley today (a new defensive injury). We have no cover, we have players in the squad who really shouldn't be in it so recruitment of players is where it keeps going back to. For me it's BB: Time to go, time to go, time to go time to go time to go.......
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Good post but don't understand your last sentence.
 
Matesrates said:
Defence was shaky today understandably with injuries, but their goals came from poor defending, standing off, leaving them space to run at us and cross at will. Maxwell rooted to his line when he sh have come out. I’m sure MA will get to grips with it.
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Their goals came from a penalty and an open goal. They were shit.

End of analysis.
 
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hertfordseasider said:
The thing is we should have adequate cover for that amount of injures and we're running out, and Garbutt is shit and would have been sent off to another club if he hadn't been injured.
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Most pool fans were asking for a striker before the start of the season ,some for a playmaker midfielder and some for defenders . I don't know how many players Blackpool can afford on their books ,but if you want quality ,the fewer the better. I think its out of order blaming Ben for the unlucky run we have had from injuries and suspensions . I also believe Garbutt was a good enough player to help us get promotion. He should not be disrespected as referring to him as shit. In fact at the moment our worse defender is Eccy who is having a nightmare.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Most pool fans were asking for a striker before the start of the season ,some for a playmaker midfielder and some for defenders . I don't know how many players Blackpool can afford on their books ,but if you want quality ,the fewer the better. I think its out of order blaming Ben for the unlucky run we have had from injuries and suspensions . I also believe Garbutt was a good enough player to help us get promotion. He should not be disrespected as referring to him as shit. In fact at the moment our worse defender is Eccy who is having a nightmare.
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Marv is a quality Championship defender, he had a poor 15 minutes today but shook it off and got back to his best. Garbutt is league 1 and best, no disrespect but he wouldn't me near the team if we hadn't had so many injuries, he wasn't on the bench today.

We can afford more players, we have the Quitchley and Bowler money, but we failed to buy the players we needed, it's clear as day and that has to fall at BB's feet. Just my opinion, but I don't rate him at all. For me MA and the players have been outstanding this season so far considering, but they should have nailed some of those signings we needed then and still need now.
 
585 = never give up said:
Today was fantastic, but other than we're enjoying the night (cheers everyone), we now have to look forward.
My big worry is: We have picked up more injuries (due to Tues / Sat games), our defence is already weak, and we now play 2 games a week until the stupid world cup break. AND we play teams who are around us and who we must take points from.
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No midweek game next week
 
hertfordseasider said:
Marv is a quality Championship defender, he had a poor 15 minutes today but shook it off and got back to his best. Garbutt is league 1 and best, no disrespect but he wouldn't me near the team if we hadn't had so many injuries, he wasn't on the bench today.

We can afford more players, we have the Quitchley and Bowler money, but we failed to buy the players we needed, it's clear as day and that has to fall at BB's feet. Just my opinion, but I don't rate him at all. For me MA and the players have been outstanding this season so far considering, but they should have nailed some of those signings we needed then and still need now.
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If we had got a top striker like most wanted ,that would have ate all the Money from Bowler and Critch . Marv has had a poor season . He has given the ball away regularly , got sent off and given away a penalty to the Knobbers . Note I don't call him shit or say he is a league 1 player ,because I know on his day he can be excellent . As Garbutt does not get games very often , I think its unfair to slag him when he comes in as a sub or for 1 game and he is off the pace. If he had been given the same games as Marv this season and played as badly as Marv. I would be hoping he would be dropped ,but still not blaming Ben for his poor performances.
 
glasshalffull said:
We have been a man short at RB all season because Lyons isn’t available until January.
We have been a man short at CB as well because of losing Keough and sending both Tharme and Casey out on loan (I assume they cannot be recalled?).
Unfortunately Connoly cannot play in three positions at once, so we are one more injury away from having an unpluggable hole in the defence assuming Thorniley and Husband will be out fot a while?
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With Thompson and Garbutt also available at LB there's perhaps an argument for treating Husband as a 4th CB, but whoever thought we could get away with just Connolly as cover at RB needs to have a serious look at themselves, surely a loan or similar until January wasn't out of the question.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
If we had got a top striker like most wanted ,that would have ate all the Money from Bowler and Critch . Marv has had a poor season . He has given the ball away regularly , got sent off and given away a penalty to the Knobbers . Note I don't call him shit or say he is a league 1 player ,because I know on his day he can be excellent . As Garbutt does not get games very often , I think its unfair to slag him when he comes in as a sub or for 1 game and he is off the pace. If he had been given the same games as Marv this season and played as badly as Marv. I would be hoping he would be dropped ,but still not blaming Ben for his poor performances.
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Well we beg to differ which is fair enough. It's an experienced central midfielder such as a Stewart or Bridcutt I was thinking of but not one with a terrible injury history, an experienced centre Hal and a right back, I thought our strikers are fine.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Marv has been hit and miss this season, Thorniley has been consistently excellent but we have Gabriel out long term injured, Hubby was out for ages, comes back and goes of with a hamstring injury today, Connolly is filling in at right back because we didn't strengthen there, Thommo is promising but has a bad mistake in him too often at the moment, Garbutt is shit and Williams looks shaky, although he did well when he came on for the injured Thorniley today (a new defensive injury). We have no cover, we have players in the squad who really shouldn't be in it so recruitment of players is where it keeps going back to. For me it's BB: Time to go, time to go, time to go time to go time to go.......
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Strengthened with Andy Lyons albeit he hasn't arrived yet
 
Hazi said:
Strengthened with Andy Lyons albeit he hasn't arrived yet
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Bit of an unknown quantity though. Been playing left back too. I hope he is as good as they say but he sounds like a real attacking wing back with goals in him, I just think we need someone with a bit more experience this season but who is a proper right back.
 
So far Williams has not shown the quality you would expect from a player who has played in Champions League games for Liverpool. He may well still come good but how long can we wait? Ideally, we need a player in the Shaun Barker/ Dan Ballard mould who is equally at home in both CH and RB positions. Connolly has performed ok as cover at RB but today he was struggling after three tough games in a week.

But that it is not the reason why we have become increasingly shaky at the back. Big Marv after his sending off last week played like he was half asleep today and we looked very edgy when pressed. Maxwell does not command his area, he is a brilliant shot stopper but lacks the height and agility to come and claim the ball. He is also poor with the ball at his feet compared to Grimshaw and his hesitation again spreads nervousness to the defence.
 
hertfordseasider said:
The thing is we should have adequate cover for that amount of injures and we're running out, and Garbutt is shit and would have been sent off to another club if he hadn't been injured.
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Pathetic comment but then I think you are Paulco when we lose and almost as bad as when we win.
Stick to landscaping or whatever it is you do.
 
Seainsea said:
So far Williams has not shown the quality you would expect from a player who has played in Champions League games for Liverpool. He may well still come good but how long can we wait? Ideally, we need a player in the Shaun Barker/ Dan Ballard mould who is equally at home in both CH and RB positions. Connolly has performed ok as cover at RB but today he was struggling after three tough games in a week.

But that it is not the reason why we have become increasingly shaky at the back. Big Marv after his sending off last week played like he was half asleep today and we looked very edgy when pressed. Maxwell does not command his area, he is a brilliant shot stopper but lacks the height and agility to come and claim the ball. He is also poor with the ball at his feet compared to Grimshaw and his hesitation again spreads nervousness to the defence.
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i thought we won today….
must have been a dream judging by some of the comments on here.

No I just checked and it says Blackpool 4 Preston North End 2
 
bleach51 said:
i thought we won today….
must have been a dream judging by some of the comments on here.

No I just checked and it says Blackpool 4 Preston North End 2
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The reality was we were shaky AF for a lot of the game and the result flatters us apart from a 15 - 20-minute period around the second and third goals, it could easily have been 3 - 3 and on another day worse still.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Had the knobbers had their shooting boots on - and despite the criticism Maxy did make some good saves - then it might have been a tighter affair than it was.

My concern is that the defence is not solid. It's easy to point the finger at Marv but we have a midfielder at right-back. Connolly is missed in midfield and Gabriel at right-back. Marv cannot be a centre-half and a right-back. This is a key weakness.
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I don't think there is just one reason for the goals conceded recently, although agree that the RB situation is probably one of them. Injuries, suspensions - the list goes on. I also think that the way Appleton likes to play doesn't "shield" the defence as much as the Critchley system did, so they have to be top quality to keep clean sheets. Can't see much changing before the break for the World Cup, but there could be changes in January with the arrival of Andy Lyons, and I wouldn't rule out either an additional signing or a loan recall to provide extra depth. Patience might be the key.
 
Lost Seasider said:
The reality was we were shaky AF for a lot of the game and the result flatters us apart from a 15 - 20-minute period around the second and third goals, it could easily have been 3 - 3 and on another day worse still.
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But it wasn’t…….we probably didn’t deserve to lose to Norwich nor Swansea but we did.We won at Huddersfield when we were probably lucky to do so.
It happens but as for beating your arch rival then that’s all that matters so why not just enjoy the moment.
 
Murciaseasider said:
I don't think there is just one reason for the goals conceded recently, although agree that the RB situation is probably one of them. Injuries, suspensions - the list goes on. I also think that the way Appleton likes to play doesn't "shield" the defence as much as the Critchley system did, so they have to be top quality to keep clean sheets. Can't see much changing before the break for the World Cup, but there could be changes in January with the arrival of Andy Lyons, and I wouldn't rule out either an additional signing or a loan recall to provide extra depth. Patience might be the key.
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Hmm. We've not got too many points to play with so patience is at a premium.
 
hertfordseasider said:
The thing is we should have adequate cover for that amount of injures and we're running out, and Garbutt is shit and would have been sent off to another club if he hadn't been injured.
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Just a note - and it applies to others, not just you - I don't like any of our players being called shit. Poor, wanting in some respects, not up to this division, fair enough. Shit, no. It's nasty.
 
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