Converting to Christianity…..

TangerineBayern

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And now according to reports there are 40 immigrants aboard the Stockholm Bibby attending Christian services to hopefully help there cause in getting Asylum granted here, you couldn’t make it up and no wonder this country and the legal system is fucked up. Well here’s 40 illegal immigrants you can deport now and avoid any further costs to the UK tax payer!
 
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It’s bizarre, why should converting to Christianity be a reason to be granted asylum? If a Christian British person was told to convert to Islam to live in Dubai for example, there’d be an indignant outcry.

I presume some civil servant came up with the idea.
Either civil servants, or one or more of the Bishops in the House of Lords, who appear to block any attempts to sort the illegal immigration problem out.
 
Religion shouldn't have anything to do with it.
True Sven but an example is roaming our streets at the moment (but more likely hidden by a friend etc) who threw a corrosive substance over a woman and her children, and who is a convicted sex offender but decided to convert to Christianity to save being deported.
 
So when migrants don`t make an effort to integrate into the "British way of life" they are accused them of not sharing our "values" and "culture".

And when they do make an effort to try to uphold a tenet of our cultural identity - Christianity - you don`t like that either.

Please make your minds up, as this is rather confusing....
 
True Sven but an example is roaming our streets at the moment (but more likely hidden by a friend etc) who threw a corrosive substance over a woman and her children, and who is a convicted sex offender but decided to convert to Christianity to save being deported.
I know. That’s what I disagree with. I don’t think religion should be a deciding factor to whether people are granted asylum as it’s so easy to manipulate.
 
So when migrants don`t make an effort to integrate into the "British way of life" they are accused them of not sharing our "values" and "culture".

And when they do make an effort to try to uphold a tenet of our cultural identity - Christianity - you don`t like that either.

Please make your minds up, as this is rather confusing....
I agree with you there Spud.

The current issue is obviously this fella that converted as a bonus point for asylum, but we then overlooked his sexual offences. If we placed his conversion as a positive, over the very grave negative of his sexual crimes, then something has gone wrong.
 
I know. That’s what I disagree with. I don’t think religion should be a deciding factor to whether people are granted asylum as it’s so easy to manipulate.
I can't believe it is, given that the vast majority of people born and bred here aren't exactly flocking to church services.

I guess it's better to say you share Christian values than rock up and say you want jihad.
 
So when migrants don`t make an effort to integrate into the "British way of life" they are accused them of not sharing our "values" and "culture".

And when they do make an effort to try to uphold a tenet of our cultural identity - Christianity - you don`t like that either.

Please make your minds up, as this is rather confusing....
There is a wide gap between integrating into our society by converting to Christianity, and using Christianity as a tool to take advantage of an asylum situation.

This country has for a long time accepted people of different faiths into the country, and rightly so, but to allegedly convert to the Christian faith in order to strengthen their case to be allowed to stay is both an insult to the Church and an insult to the system.
 
It’s bizarre, why should converting to Christianity be a reason to be granted asylum? If a Christian British person was told to convert to Islam to live in Dubai for example, there’d be an indignant outcry.

I presume some civil servant came up with the idea.
A motivation for doing this amongst asylum seekers is that apostates (converts from Islam to other religions) are outcasts in their own society. And in some more extreme regimes can be murdered in line with an extreme version of Islam. This can obviously help with an asylum application.
 
We should have a radical re think on immigration…perhaps for everyone we let in we should deport 2 benefit scrounges and a pensioner…😳
 
There is a wide gap between integrating into our society by converting to Christianity, and using Christianity as a tool to take advantage of an asylum situation.

This country has for a long time accepted people of different faiths into the country, and rightly so, but to allegedly convert to the Christian faith in order to strengthen their case to be allowed to stay is both an insult to the Church and an insult to the system.

Yet we all know people who have temporarily attended church solely with the intention of getting their child into a well respected faith school. Is that an insult to the church? Or just doing the best for your child? Most of us game the system in some way occasionally.

And what`s to say that some of these people are not genuine, and are trying to assimilate by learning our language and recognising our cultural identity, and want to be seen to embrace it.

If I was in their situation I would do everything in my gift to show I wanted the chance of a new life for my family, having fled a terrible life elsewhere.

Wouldn`t you?

Perhaps you don`t fully appreciate how desperate some of these people are...
 
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Yet we all know people who have temporarily attended church solely with the intention of getting their child into a well respected faith school. Is that an insult to the church? Or just doing the best for your child? Most of us game the system in some way occasionally.

And what`s to say that some of these people are not genuine and are trying to assimilate by learning our language and recognising our cultural identity and be seen to embrace it.

If I was in their situation I would do everything in my gift to show I wanted the chance of a new life for my family, having fled a terrible life elsewhere.

Wouldn`t you?

Perhaps you don`t fully appreciate how desperate some of these people are...
You're preaching to someone who lives in a very diverse society. I have good friends and acquaintances in various faiths and with different political outlooks. The area I live in has Asian Muslims & Hindus, Nigerians and various other Black African and Carribeans, Thai's, Ukranians, Poles and of course us indigenous individuals. We have a vibrant society in which most mix, a neighbourhood watch which reports any illegal goings on such as drug drops. Those who keep themselves to themselves are welcome to do so, but we all pull together when required.

We all do whatever we can for our children, but to attend church simply to get a child into a certain school is, in my book, cheating the system and depriving someone who is maybe more suited to that school and who will have to travel further for their education. I don't agree with it.

It would be interesting to hear the views of the majority of Muslims on this subject, as it seems these people are insulting Islam by embracing the Christian faith all in order to remain in this country.

I hasten to add, it has been shown the majority of those coming over in boats are single young men not family men wiith wives and children in tow.
 
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Yet we all know people who have temporarily attended church solely with the intention of getting their child into a well respected faith school. Is that an insult to the church? Or just doing the best for your child? Most of us game the system in some way occasionally.

And what`s to say that some of these people are not genuine, and are trying to assimilate by learning our language and recognising our cultural identity, and want to be seen to embrace it.

If I was in their situation I would do everything in my gift to show I wanted the chance of a new life for my family, having fled a terrible life elsewhere.

Wouldn`t you?

Perhaps you don`t fully appreciate how desperate some of these people are...
There’s a big difference between legal and illegal Immigrants and the latter should be deported back to where they come from whether they want a better life or not.
 
You're preaching to someone who lives in a very diverse society. I have good friends and acquaintances in various faiths and with different political outlooks. The area I live in has Asian Muslims & Hindus, Nigerians and various other Black African and Carribeans, Thai's, Ukranians, Poles and of course us indigenous individuals. We have a vibrant society in which most mix, a neighbourhood watch which reports any illegal goings on such as drug drops. Those who keep themselves to themselves are welcome to do so, but we all pull together when required.

We all do whatever we can for our children, but to attend church simply to get a child into a certain school is, in my book, cheating the system and depriving someone who is maybe more suited to that school and who will have to travel further for their education. I don't agree with it.

It would be interesting to hear the views of the majority of Muslims on this subject, as it seems these people are insulting Islam by embracing the Christian faith all in order to remain in this country.

I hasten to add, it has been shown the majority of those coming over in boats are single young men not family men wiith wives and children in tow.
The school selection process is the only area of public life (that I know of) where it is legal to discriminate against people who want to use state provided services on a particular characteristic (religious belief). I can't believe that this will be allowed for too much longer.
 
You have been greatly misinformed by terrible reporting, no you can't get asylum by converting to Christianity it isn't true, just like the 'he owned a cat' bollox from a few years ago.
 
You have been greatly misinformed by terrible reporting, no you can't get asylum by converting to Christianity it isn't true, just like the 'he owned a cat' bollox from a few years ago.
Don't let the facts get in the way of an opinion piece off GB News.
 
So when migrants don`t make an effort to integrate into the "British way of life" they are accused them of not sharing our "values" and "culture".

And when they do make an effort to try to uphold a tenet of our cultural identity - Christianity - you don`t like that either.

Please make your minds up, as this is rather confusing....
Most people, even on the left, can see it's taking the piss out of us in this area.
 
And now according to reports there are 40 immigrants aboard the Stockholm Bibby attending Christian services to hopefully help there cause in getting Asylum granted here, you couldn’t make it up and no wonder this country and the legal system is fucked up. Well here’s 40 illegal immigrants you can deport now and avoid any further costs to the UK tax payer!
I am sure this is made up bollocks. It would make no difference to the assessment of a claim, even if it were happening. I also noticed that you decided that they were "illegal" in the space of two sentences.
 
And now according to reports there are 40 immigrants aboard the Stockholm Bibby attending Christian services to hopefully help there cause in getting Asylum granted here, you couldn’t make it up and no wonder this country and the legal system is fucked up. Well here’s 40 illegal immigrants you can deport now and avoid any further costs to the UK tax payer!
We could do with these fanatical Islamic leaders in Iran/Iraq/Syria converting to Christianity the world would be a much safer place.
 
I am sure this is made up bollocks. It would make no difference to the assessment of a claim, even if it were happening. I also noticed that you decided that they were "illegal" in the space of two sentences.
So are they not illegally entering this country then? Please tell us more? as you seem to know more on the subject than Rishi Sunak and his Government lawyers.

Maybe their all arriving legally on an Easy Jet flight and we don’t have a problem at all it’s just made up?
 
So are they not illegally entering this country then? Please tell us more? as you seem to know for than Rishi Sunak.

Maybe their all arriving on an Easy Jet flight instead?
As far as I'm aware, seeking asylum is not in itself an offence. Quite the opposite, in fact. I'm also of the view that in this country we normally give people a fair hearing before deciding they are guilty of anything, which is also consistent with our obligations under International law.

Perhaps it is you who is out of step with traditional British values. I wouldn't want to see you thrown out though.
 
As far as I'm aware, seeking asylum is not in itself an offence. Quite the opposite, in fact. I'm also of the view that in this country we normally give people a fair hearing before deciding they are guilty of anything, which is also consistent with our obligations under International law.

Perhaps it is you who is out of step with traditional British values. I wouldn't want to see you thrown out though.
Seeking asylum isn’t an offence and I never said it was.

What is an offence/illegal is entering the country without any form of documentation through the back door on boats supplied illegally by human traffickers which is.

I would have thought being an ex graduate of a well known university you would have known that.
 
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It isn't if you apply for asylum, although Rishi and co would like you to think it is.
How can you apply for asylum without any documentation (passport etc) of who you are and proof of where you’ve actually come from?

That’s the problem we’re seeing right now terrorist’s, sex gangs, sex traffickers, crime gangs, can all enter Willy nilly that being the case and many are today as we’re seeing.

Are the Government so wrong for trying to protect us our children and our children's children?

I for one think not so get my vote. 👍
 
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How can you apply for asylum without any documentation (passport etc) of who you are and proof of where you’ve actually come from?

That’s the problem we’re seeing right now terrorist’s, sex gangs, sex traffickers, crime gangs, can all enter Willy nilly that being the case and many are today as we’re seeing.

Are the Government so wrong for trying to protect us our children and our children's children?

I for one think not so get my vote. 👍
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Seeking asylum isn’t an offence and I never said it was.

What is an offence/illegal is entering the country without any form of documentation through the back door on boats supplied illegally by human traffickers which is.

I would have thought being an ex graduate of a well known university you would have known that.
How can you seek asylum from us if there is deliberately no legal route getting here?
I've said it numerous times, but it suits this Government to have huge backlogs so they have an excuse and a scapegoat for the monumental shitshow they've made of everything. And you're falling for it.

Michelle Mone is on a small boat and has cost this country literally millions.

The Bibby Stockholm is rented out and costs more than putting them all up in the Ritz, Claridges and the Savoy. Who is benefitting from that.
 
How can you seek asylum from us if there is deliberately no legal route getting here?
I've said it numerous times, but it suits this Government to have huge backlogs so they have an excuse and a scapegoat for the monumental shitshow they've made of everything. And you're falling for it.

Michelle Mone is on a small boat and has cost this country literally millions.

The Bibby Stockholm is rented out and costs more than putting them all up in the Ritz, Claridges and the Savoy. Who is benefitting from that.
As you well know I’ve slagged the government off many times on here for spending millions on this illegal immigration Malarky.
A couple of £50 million pound payments to France for what? £150 million pound to Rwanda for what?
And as you mention the Bibby Stockholm (not sure what it’s costing?)
Of course it’s a shit show but what’s the alternative just sit back and let whoever wants to come into this country just come?
Let’s not forget there’s going to be a general election in the next 12 months and it’s pretty much nailed on Labour will be in power so they will inherit most of this shit show.
People are pissed of with all this immigration stuff and what it’s costing and it’s one of the reason the Tories will lose the general election but Labour cannot and will not simply abandon it as they simply can’t afford to.
I wonder if the same people moaning now about it being a shit show will still be moaning down the line in 2 years time under a Labour government because let’s be honest it isn’t something that’s not going to go away anytime soon especially with all the woke brigade (barristers/judges) who seem to have a mandate for allowing anyone and everyone into this country.
 
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As you well know I’ve slagged the government off many times on here for spending millions on this illegal immigration Malarky.
A couple of £50 million pound payments to France for what? £150 million pound to Rwanda for what?
And as you mention the Bibby Stockholm (not sure what it’s costing?)
Of course it’s a shit show but what’s the alternative just sit back and let whoever wants to come into this country just come?
Let’s not forget there’s going to be a general election in the next 12 months and it’s pretty much nailed on Labour will be in power so they will inherit most of this shit show.
People are pissed of with all this immigration stuff and what it’s costing and it’s one of the reason the Tories will lose the general election but Labour cannot and will not simply abandon it as they simply can’t afford to.
I wonder if the same people moaning now about it being a shit show will still be moaning down the line in 2 years time under a Labour government because let’s be honest it isn’t something that’s going to go away anytime soon.
Actually agree with most of that. What I hope the be Givernment of whatever politics do is solve this by proper management. Processing centre in Northern France, beef up civil servants dealing with asylum seekers in the UK, get the NCA to go after the smuggler gangs in cooperation with the French and Interpol. The irony is it can be fixed in a couple of years, at lower cost than the massive £5 billion spent on that floating prison
 
Actually agree with most of that. What I hope the be Givernment of whatever politics do is solve this by proper management. Processing centre in Northern France, beef up civil servants dealing with asylum seekers in the UK, get the NCA to go after the smuggler gangs in cooperation with the French and Interpol. The irony is it can be fixed in a couple of years, at lower cost than the massive £5 billion spent on that floating prison
Yes, but that doesn't provide a scapegoat. Everything would be fine if it wasn't for those pesky foreigners clogging up the NHS, taking all the jobs and claiming all the benefits.
 
As you well know I’ve slagged the government off many times on here for spending millions on this illegal immigration Malarky.
A couple of £50 million pound payments to France for what? £150 million pound to Rwanda for what?
And as you mention the Bibby Stockholm (not sure what it’s costing?)
Of course it’s a shit show but what’s the alternative just sit back and let whoever wants to come into this country just come?
Let’s not forget there’s going to be a general election in the next 12 months and it’s pretty much nailed on Labour will be in power so they will inherit most of this shit show.
People are pissed of with all this immigration stuff and what it’s costing and it’s one of the reason the Tories will lose the general election but Labour cannot and will not simply abandon it as they simply can’t afford to.
I wonder if the same people moaning now about it being a shit show will still be moaning down the line in 2 years time under a Labour government because let’s be honest it isn’t something that’s not going to go away anytime soon especially with all the woke brigade (barristers/judges) who seem to have a mandate for allowing anyone and everyone into this country.
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A new Labour Govt will establish much better relations with the EU and particularly France to address the boats problem. That’s obvious.

The current Govt shower can’t because they instituted the Brexit split, were antagonistic to the EU who, basically and somewhat understandably, simply washed its hands of the UK immigration concerns after that. Typified by the French attitude of “could not care less” about the gangs on their beaches, since we were no longer close partners.
 
Yet we all know people who have temporarily attended church solely with the intention of getting their child into a well respected faith school. Is that an insult to the church? Or just doing the best for your child? Most of us game the system in some way occasionally.
To be frank, I would outlaw all schools who select pupils on the basis of religion and make the state education system totally secular. Never mind the hundreds of years of religious tradition. Leave religion to the home and places of worship.

It’s that attitude towards children and schools that prevailed in Northern Ireland for a hundred years and more that intensified the sectarianism, intolerance and hatred.

Wasn’t it Aristotle who said “Give me the boy until the age of 7 and I will show you the man”? The saying is also attributed to St. Francis Xavier (Founder of the Jesuits). Other denominations too have adopted that plan to older ages. It’s just antisocial indoctrination, literally, for all sides.
 
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Instead of having a boarder 4000 miles away at the edge of the EU we pulled it back to the UK. Anyone arriving in France is more or less encouraged to travel up to channel area and try their luck on a small boat. I'm more concerned about the 720k legal migration, who are they what do they contribute? Can't be delivering vital public services as those valued and useful people have all left and gone back to europe. Still on the plus side I have my blue passport, so not all bad
 
Instead of having a boarder 4000 miles away at the edge of the EU we pulled it back to the UK. Anyone arriving in France is more or less encouraged to travel up to channel area and try their luck on a small boat. I'm more concerned about the 720k legal migration, who are they what do they contribute? Can't be delivering vital public services as those valued and useful people have all left and gone back to europe. Still on the plus side I have my blue passport, so not all bad
The EU border is still the same distance away and they still have to travel through safe countries and get to the UK, which would happen regardless of whether we're in a political union or not. The French have no incentive to sort this in or out.

As for the legal numbers the Tories have failed to voters and their own promises.
 
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