BANNING ORDERS WTF??

Long-shanks said:
Couldnt agree more.

Its the way I've brought up my 3 sons and they all know the correct way to behave. They make me proud every day.

It's just being a decent person isnt it 🤷‍♂️.
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Pretty sure as a good parent you wouldn't have gone with one of the most extreme punishments available for a middle ranking misdemeanor, I know I didn't, but it looks like the club are.
 
Tangerine Pip said:
Absolutely agree. Did anyone attend in the 70s Kids …. being kids …. let’s get a grip
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Was that the 70’s when Kevin Olsson was murdered by fan hostility.

That’s just one example.

The 70’s weren’t a great example of how we should be supporting our club on any level.

And it isn’t the 70’s anymore.

Maybe not get a grip, maybe stop living in an imperfect past.
 
Just go & watch the football FFS make a row if you want to & that's it. This has been coming for a long time & warnings have been repeatedly issued. Some think they're beyond reproach & play hurt when the inevitable happens. If this is true, it may be a little harsh, but not surprising.
 
gjr69 said:
What about the darts, ammonia, and bricks that were thrown around. I remember a dart in somebody's head being front page of a national newspaper! The nastiest dickheads I ever met were in their prime in the 80s and 90s. As a young kid in the 70s I remember it being much worse. You maybe have some sort of the past was always better amnesia, it wasn't, it was nastier but that was football.
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That was then.
You probably had one bath a week then, too...times have moved in and there's no place for it at football games anymore.
 
there’s been a few mentions of stone island and cop company, but let’s be honest, it’s all ‘Cheetham Hill’ special merchandise, unless the youth of Blackpool can drop £500 on a coat.
As an aside CP are doing a big exhibition in Darwen from the end of this week.
 
Ginge said:
That was then.
You probably had one bath a week then, too...times have moved in and there's no place for it at football games anymore.
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I did but that isn't relevant!
My point is the punishment isn't fitting the crime it is too harsh. But I am conversing with a demographic that would lock people up and throw away the key for pretty much every crime!
Warn, educate and punish accordingly would have got better results but the hang'em and flog'em wouldn't happen in my day crowd won't agree.
 
gjr69 said:
I did but that isn't relevant!
My point is the punishment isn't fitting the crime it is too harsh. But I am conversing with a demographic that would lock people up and throw away the key for pretty much every crime!
Warn, educate and punish accordingly would have got better results but the hang'em and flog'em wouldn't happen in my day crowd won't agree.
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😂 I wonder whether the hang em and flog em brigade would be quite so hard line if they themselves were caught on camera doing 32mph in a 30 mph speed limit? Calling for a 3 year driving ban as opposed to a few points on their licence?

Or would we be hearing the line “completely different; why don’t they catch some real criminals instead of focusing on motorists?”.

Cars kill. Plastic bottles don’t.
 
1) I think three years is a long time. If you look at places like Shalke in Germany the work they do with fans who have engaged in anti social behaviour is really interesting. It's not about chucking people out but bringing them in. If then people don't behave yeah, consequences but I'd be intrigued to know if anything at has been done to educate or explain beyond the public statements

I note on here, we often swap stories about 'remember this or that in the 70s/80s/90s' and I wonder if anyone saying "chuck the scrotes out" or liking such posts has ever engaged in any "high-jinks" at a game. If so, would they be happy being retrospectively banned?

Whilst, yes, clearly you can't chuck pyrotechnics at people without a response, the response of a three year ban is heavy imo. If you talk about a community club, a community includes all sorts of people and you can play a part in shaping behaviour of that community for the better.

2) I also wonder if Blackpool police have got used to their not being big football events (boycott + covid) as the only real 'needle' match there's been since the pitch invasion has been the Fleetwood derby and that's a case of policing 6 lads on an electric scooter.

I agree it seems weird that we seemingly can't fill about an 8th of the ground for the biggest game in years. As others say, there are other games with equal or greater edge to them.
 
JJpool said:
Absolute joke if so and if someone threw a plastic bottle and got a 3 year ban too...

Not proportional at all.

Is this the police ban or the club?

I think the message could have been put across with small bans, firm warnings and next to do something is getting a ban of the big games etc.

Poor all round, but not surprised as the police and club for me have got it way wrong on this east stand business etc.

Its funny how strict the police like to be to football fans but let various marches go on and people ripping down statues of the countries history etc.

The police ran away from people in London not too long ago.

Absolutely useless as a force now tbh and are way too politically correct.

Can't even keep people in a stadium for 10 minutes after a game.... useless.
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Never mind statues, Muckers could put out a statement saying it was in fact a bullingdon club initiation ritual and all just a crazy college jape.

Bans will be lifted instantly!
 
Lala said:
It’s like parenting innit.

Set boundaries, and react accordingly when a child misbehaves.

It can’t come as a surprise to the perpetrators that bad actions have bad consequences. And it can’t come as a surprise to them that these are bad actions.

If you constantly tolerate bad behaviour without taking action then bad behaviour becomes the acceptable norm.

Not bloody rocket science is it.
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To an extent I agree, but if it's a bunch of teenagers, do you chuck them out the house for three years?

We don't know the details. Ok, if it's some adults who've been warned previously and have a list of football related offences, had knuckle dusters and flick knives and so on, yeah, I get it.

If it's some kids who've got carried away, then if it's like parenting, then acting disproportionately isn't good parenting.
 
Mate of mine is a Burnley fan. His brother went to Chelsea away a few years ago, got hammered in the pub then was chucked out of the ground for racial abuse of Didier Drogba when he quite famously goaded the Burnley fans. Burnley have a zero tolerance policy and handed him a lifetime ban. He was genuinely remorseful as he wouldn’t normally be that type, but his view was football isn’t a human right, it’s a privilege, so he’d done this to himself. Quite an introspective view I thought.

Anyway a few years later he wrote the club a letter apologising and asking for a review; they brought him in and he spoke to the then chairman, who sent him on an education course and then lifted the ban.

I think my point is, these people shouldn’t be bleating about the injustice and about too harsh punishment; go throw a bottle at your local cinema and they’ll ban you permanently I have no doubt, so we have no divine right to Bloomfield road. Take ownership of your own behaviour, repent and mean it, go volunteer at the club, prove to them you can behave like a civilised human being. That’s my thoughts on the matter.
 
hills98 said:
Mate of mine is a Burnley fan. His brother went to Chelsea away a few years ago, got hammered in the pub then was chucked out of the ground for racial abuse of Didier Drogba when he quite famously goaded the Burnley fans. Burnley have a zero tolerance policy and handed him a lifetime ban. He was genuinely remorseful as he wouldn’t normally be that type, but his view was football isn’t a human right, it’s a privilege, so he’d done this to himself. Quite an introspective view I thought.

Anyway a few years later he wrote the club a letter apologising and asking for a review; they brought him in and he spoke to the then chairman, who sent him on an education course and then lifted the ban.

I think my point is, these people shouldn’t be bleating about the injustice and about too harsh punishment; go throw a bottle at your local cinema and they’ll ban you permanently I have no doubt, so we have no divine right to Bloomfield road. Take ownership of your own behaviour, repent and mean it, go volunteer at the club, prove to them you can behave like a civilised human being. That’s my thoughts on the matter.
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Yup agree with the idea that until you can prove that you are not a fcukwit you should have privileges removed and be treated like one.

No reason why you can see the error of your ways and repent.
 
Seaside Aggro said:
there’s been a few mentions of stone island and cop company, but let’s be honest, it’s all ‘Cheetham Hill’ special merchandise, unless the youth of Blackpool can drop £500 on a coat.
As an aside CP are doing a big exhibition in Darwen from the end of this week.
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Couple of things on this. Always thought there must be a lot of moody Stone Island kit knocking around, however there always buy now pay later at a few stockists.

Was in a Sports Direct in Blackburn yesterday that’s had a refit and they are now stocking CP. There’s also going to be a Flannels at the old Toysarus site. Big Mike Ashley making moves.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
The original Muckers must be in their 50/60s....because they were about in the 60s/70s......so let’s take the mid points of your argument.....1970 and 60 years old. So in 1970 these 60 year olds were 9 years old as they rampaged across the terraces of England eh?......why don’t you slow down and give your brain a chance eh
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Stand corrected 70s now then👍.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Couple of things on this. Always thought there must be a lot of moody Stone Island kit knocking around, however there always buy now pay later at a few stockists.

Was in a Sports Direct in Blackburn yesterday that’s had a refit and they are now stocking CP. There’s also going to be a Flannels at the old Toysarus site. Big Mike Ashley making moves.
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Mike Ashley, killing Clothing Brands and Football Clubs since the 1980’s
 
td53 said:
1) I think three years is a long time. If you look at places like Shalke in Germany the work they do with fans who have engaged in anti social behaviour is really interesting. It's not about chucking people out but bringing them in. If then people don't behave yeah, consequences but I'd be intrigued to know if anything at has been done to educate or explain beyond the public statements

I note on here, we often swap stories about 'remember this or that in the 70s/80s/90s' and I wonder if anyone saying "chuck the scrotes out" or liking such posts has ever engaged in any "high-jinks" at a game. If so, would they be happy being retrospectively banned?

Whilst, yes, clearly you can't chuck pyrotechnics at people without a response, the response of a three year ban is heavy imo. If you talk about a community club, a community includes all sorts of people and you can play a part in shaping behaviour of that community for the better.

2) I also wonder if Blackpool police have got used to their not being big football events (boycott + covid) as the only real 'needle' match there's been since the pitch invasion has been the Fleetwood derby and that's a case of policing 6 lads on an electric scooter.

I agree it seems weird that we seemingly can't fill about an 8th of the ground for the biggest game in years. As others say, there are other games with equal or greater edge to them.
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I also think three years is at the far end if what should be imposed - but the problem has been around for a long time now. This isn't just about Barnsley, or what might happen with PNE. These people have been doing this for ages now and if anything it is getting worse.

On community club - I agree. But that community will knit best if certain sections aren't in fear of what aggressive stunt the others will pull next. Who speaks for the blameless? I'd like to think it is the club and fans groups, and that is what is happening here.

On the police - pass. You may have a point, and I think their handling of football has been inept for years. So why give them the excuse?

The fact is that the people who do this don't think ahead, don't think of others and don't understand ideas like having responsibilities. They need to be educated.
 
At least the Football club gives the idiots somewhere to go on a Saturday afternoon otherwise they would be roaming about the Buchanan street area of the town throwing stuff off buildings.

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gjr69 said:
I did but that isn't relevant!
My point is the punishment isn't fitting the crime it is too harsh. But I am conversing with a demographic that would lock people up and throw away the key for pretty much every crime!
Warn, educate and punish accordingly would have got better results but the hang'em and flog'em wouldn't happen in my day crowd won't agree.
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The punishment is for an accumulation of incidents that have happened in games for a while now.
Despite numerous warnings about this type of behaviour it still continues and if anything it was getting worse.
So judging how far some have spat their dummies out these bans seems to have finally got the message through to everyone.

What you lot as a group now need to do now is behave within the law in the ground and those bans will have a chance to be shortened or even rescinded.
 
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gjr69 said:
I did but that isn't relevant!
My point is the punishment isn't fitting the crime it is too harsh. But I am conversing with a demographic that would lock people up and throw away the key for pretty much every crime!
Warn, educate and punish accordingly would have got better results but the hang'em and flog'em wouldn't happen in my day crowd won't agree.
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I agree to a point but in the spere of football any slight discretion is
gjr69 said:
I did but that isn't relevant!
My point is the punishment isn't fitting the crime it is too harsh. But I am conversing with a demographic that would lock people up and throw away the key for pretty much every crime!
Warn, educate and punish accordingly would have got better results but the hang'em and flog'em wouldn't happen in my day crowd won't agree.
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I do agree that the punishment looks severe, but in the world of football in the UK, any crime or indescretion at or around a football match is deemed a lot worse than in an ordinary scenario. This is because normal everyday punishments failed to prevent this kind of disorder.

We all know that is the case so this very small outpouring of shock and disbelief by the minority is questionable, to say the very least.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
😂 I wonder whether the hang em and flog em brigade would be quite so hard line if they themselves were caught on camera doing 32mph in a 30 mph speed limit? Calling for a 3 year driving ban as opposed to a few points on their licence?

Or would we be hearing the line “completely different; why don’t they catch some real criminals instead of focusing on motorists?”.

Cars kill. Plastic bottles don’t.
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Mex

Somebody posted yesterday that if we banned folk for throwing missiles then they wouldn't do it and I was going to post that if we banned people for doing 32 in a 30 they wouldn't do it but I was too scared to post that myself.

I agree with what you say but I am surprised that it was you that said it.
 
PETER SPRUCE 1 said:
Bet all their dads are the MSG top brass ,goes with the territory (let's see if they come on here now to defend their little princes ) tools ,get them out end off ,throwing bottles & pyrotechnics is not the behaviour of club embassadors, fans ,your having a laugh aren't you (would love them to be named and told where they actually live)(now that would be interesting),make of this comment what you will,just get the scum out of our club no second chances if that's the case they will have won ,,totall idiots (some guy from West brom got a jail sentence for a less offence than this(and no before anyone starts I'm not racist ,but consider actions that could physically hurt someone a bigger crime than posting bad things on Facebook ,what's good for the goose etc etc!.
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Peter

I don't think anybody is defending those who have done wrong.

I think it's fair to say that people have different views on the punishments.

Like yourself questioning the West Brom chaps custodial sentence, I couldn't agree more with you on that one but no doubt others might have different views.
 
It’s all well and good blaming the east stand for not being suitable or saying the punishment doesn’t fit the crime but what if one of the missiles went off course and hit one of your family members in the face and caused permanent damage? I just wonder what some of the responses to the ban would be then.
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td53 said:
To an extent I agree, but if it's a bunch of teenagers, do you chuck them out the house for three years?

We don't know the details. Ok, if it's some adults who've been warned previously and have a list of football related offences, had knuckle dusters and flick knives and so on, yeah, I get it.

If it's some kids who've got carried away, then if it's like parenting, then acting disproportionately isn't good parenting.
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Of course I wouldn’t throw them out or the house for 3 years as that would be making them homeless ! Hardly the same thing.

Would I stop them going somewhere or doing something if they were putting themselves or others in danger after several gentle reminders to behave.

Absolutely I would !
 
hills98 said:
Mate of mine is a Burnley fan. His brother went to Chelsea away a few years ago, got hammered in the pub then was chucked out of the ground for racial abuse of Didier Drogba when he quite famously goaded the Burnley fans. Burnley have a zero tolerance policy and handed him a lifetime ban. He was genuinely remorseful as he wouldn’t normally be that type, but his view was football isn’t a human right, it’s a privilege, so he’d done this to himself. Quite an introspective view I thought.

Anyway a few years later he wrote the club a letter apologising and asking for a review; they brought him in and he spoke to the then chairman, who sent him on an education course and then lifted the ban.

I think my point is, these people shouldn’t be bleating about the injustice and about too harsh punishment; go throw a bottle at your local cinema and they’ll ban you permanently I have no doubt, so we have no divine right to Bloomfield road. Take ownership of your own behaviour, repent and mean it, go volunteer at the club, prove to them you can behave like a civilised human being. That’s my thoughts on the matter.
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A good post that and interesting.

I'd prefer to see our offenders rehabilitated - if that's the word ? - and back in the ground far sooner than 3 years as I believe that would be better for everybody.

I don't know exactly what each and every individual has done though.
 
I'm only guessing, but I don't think these 'banning orders' are imposed by the police, or someone with access to the magistrate's court records would have posted this by now. It

If any of these people had been charged and convicted by the CPS of a football related offence, there would likely be at least a caution involved, and a mandatory application for an entire football banning order, meaning that they would be barred from all organised football games of conference standard and above for a minimum period of 3 years.

You may say high spirits, youthful enthusiasm, just a plastic bottle, but there is no doubt that these actions at a football match constitute a criminal act and I think that the club is being more than fair in not providing the video evidence they have used to reach this decision to the police for consideration of a charge.

The OP's assertion that the MSG can self-regulate these folk's behaviour has not been apparent so far. Football has shifted from the tribal confrontational event it used to be, to a spectator event encouraging families, children, and those not hell bent on antagonising the opposing supporters. I get that part of the experience is making the atmosphere hostile for opponents, and this is achieveable without the threat of immediate violence.

I think the club has done the everyman supporters a favour in beginning to remove this element from the ground, I would hate to see anything like a return to the violence seen in earlier decades which led to us being fenced in in the 80s.

If this is a formal ban by the club then I think that there may be an avenue for those who have been banned to approach the club and ask for the decision to be reviewed, but for now I'm happy that there are a couple less idiots willing to spoil the football spectacle for others.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
😂 I wonder whether the hang em and flog em brigade would be quite so hard line if they themselves were caught on camera doing 32mph in a 30 mph speed limit? Calling for a 3 year driving ban as opposed to a few points on their licence?

Or would we be hearing the line “completely different; why don’t they catch some real criminals instead of focusing on motorists?”.

Cars kill. Plastic bottles don’t.
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The irony is when I was at school people did get hanged, and flogging at school was commonplace.

No one in their right mind would bring it back, and comparing a ban from football to either doesn't really stack up.
 
Lala said:
Of course I wouldn’t throw them out or the house for 3 years as that would be making them homeless ! Hardly the same thing.

Would I stop them going somewhere or doing something if they were putting themselves or others in danger after several gentle reminders to behave.

Absolutely I would !
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You're obviously a top class parent. Everything you say and do on here radiates love for your kids and morality. You would obviously do the right thing!

I think my larger point is, some of our followers maybe don't have stability in lives and all of that. The club can educate or it can punish and yes, perhaps it needs to do the latter. I don't know the circumstances but hopefully it's prepared to do the former and also offer a way back for people. Carrot/stick combined!

If it's the same dickheads, time and time again, coming to games with a prior intent to cause injury and problems outside of the actual football, fair enough. Fuck off. If it's some kids surfing a wave of atmosphere, crossing a line, getting carried away then nah, 3 years is out of order.

Not everyone watches Ben Mansford talking to Steve Rowland and hears the general messages. I don't know who has been banned for what, so I'm kind of speculating.

Anyway, atmosphere today was sensational and no hassle in the ground that I could see.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Mex

Somebody posted yesterday that if we banned folk for throwing missiles then they wouldn't do it and I was going to post that if we banned people for doing 32 in a 30 they wouldn't do it but I was too scared to post that myself.

I agree with what you say but I am surprised that it was you that said it.
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Real box of surprises that’s me 👍
 
Five pages... I haven't checked back today, but has there as yet been any proof of these bans? Other than hearing it from a mate about some others....
 
Bispham_Seasider said:
Five pages... I haven't checked back today, but has there as yet been any proof of these bans? Other than hearing it from a mate about some others....
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CLUB STATEMENT​
Dear Supporter,

While the vast majority of you have played your part in making Bloomfield Road the best atmosphere in the Championship this season, a small minority have been causing a growing amount of disorder in blocks A and B in the North Stand.

The level of disorder began in the Cardiff and Coventry games with the occasional missile being thrown at the Players of the away teams. The behaviour and missile throwing escalated at the end of the Fulham game when away supporters were exiting via the northern end of the East Stand onto Field Street. The situation deteriorated to another level on Saturday against Barnsley where a significant number of missiles and coins were thrown towards the Barnsley supporters and 7 pyrotechnics were also thrown inside the Stadium. Two Barnsley fans required medical treatment after the game.

We have been able to identify two individuals already from the Barnsley game and both will be immediately banned for 3 years. We also believe we have identified another individual from the Middlesbrough game and they will also be banned for 3 years. The Club should and must take a zero tolerance approach to the minority that are causing these issues.

Please can I ask all of you to help us stop this disorder now and specifically to refrain from throwing missiles and to stop congregating at the front of the North Stand during and after games.

If anyone has any information about those causing the disorder then please contact Lancashire Police on 101.

Let’s make sure that the Club and Bloomfield Road be known for making the best possible atmosphere in the Championship.



Thank you for your support again and your anticipated cooperation.

Ben Mansford

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Wizaard said:
The irony is when I was at school people did get hanged, and flogging at school was commonplace.

No one in their right mind would bring it back, and comparing a ban from football to either doesn't really stack up.
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Were you 20's fag?
 
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