Another vaccine...

95% effective this one by Moderna.
Oxford trial results due next 1-3 wks (don’t know why they are so late, tbh).
It’s like a vaccine Top Trumps card.

Shares are up again on the news.
 
Serious question, what does "94.5% effective" mean?

Is it, it should stop 94 out a 100 getting it, or it appears to produce antibodies in 94 people vaccinated, or it should reduce symptoms/fatalities by that percentage.

To be clear, I'm not doubting it, just asking for clarity. And how has such a precise figure been established?
 
From the BBC: "The trial involved 30,000 people in the US with half being given two doses of the vaccine, four weeks apart. The rest had dummy injections.The analysis was based on the first 95 to develop Covid-19 symptoms. Only five of the Covid cases were in people given the vaccine, 90 were in those given the dummy treatment. The company says the vaccine is protecting 94.5%."
 
More good news but again not much detail has been given. I'd like to know the timespans involved, how much testing has been done of subjects and the demographics of the subjects. More encouraging news is that none of the 5 who had the vaccine and went onto develop CoViD developed serious symptoms unlike some of the 90 odd in the control group.
However, the best short term bet for the UK getting back to something like normal is he Oxford vaccine which must about to report preliminary results very soon. The government have pre-ordered 100m doses of that one with something like 30m being available immediately and the rest to follow soon.
We may be getting out of this in the next six months or so, I hope so.
 
tangerine_neil said:
95% effective this one by Moderna.
Oxford trial results due next 1-3 wks (don’t know why they are so late, tbh).
It’s like a vaccine Top Trumps card.

Shares are up again on the news.
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I think the results from the Oxford trial will be a little be further down the line of the testing process.
 
It all adds to the encouraging news. Somehow I just hope the Oxford vaccine is being even more thoroughly tested and they are wisely waiting for the FULL trial results to be completed unlike the first two and it proves to be up there with the very best and also that it becomes available to us all pretty soon.

With the 2 announcements so far made public we don`t have the full facts about reduced infectiousness and age related results and whether they give full protection of even contracting the infection.
 
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Of course this is the vaccine that the EU got together and asked the UK if it wanted to partner up in purchasing stocks ready to distribute after trials, unfortunately the Government didn’t sign up to it because it claimed it didn’t see the E-Mail! Oops!

But of course the great news is that it follows on from good results provided by the Pfizer/BioNtech one released last week so in all probability other vaccines being tested will all produce good results and there could be a number available in the 1st Half of 2021 and the World isn’t reliant on one source.
 
According to Trumpy Pants this wouldn’t have happened if it wasn’t for the dedication of his appointed Coronavirus Team and under his presidency, how he wasn’t reelected for a 2nd term is baffling 🤔🤔
 
fcblackpool said:
The best news from this is that it can be stored at fridge temps, meaning it will be easier to deploy rather than store at -70, then fridge, then make up and use within 48hrs.
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We don't have an order in for this one, but do have orders in with another 6 companies.
 
As FC says the big advantage of this one is its seemingly far more stable

Notice the Times reporting that the Pfizer CEO sold 2/3rd's of his shares on the back of last week's announcement and that the share price has since dipped back

Nothing illegal and it was pre-authorised apparently but you do wonder on the timing of announcements as I doubt Pfizer's shares would have surged if they were the second to announce

These companies are all in for a beano it seems anyway
 
fcblackpool said:
Bagged 5m doses, so that's me and you sorted 👍
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Just noticed that fcb The EU had secured 80 million - so I guess we aren’t far from what our allocation might have been if we had signed up with the EU deal - I see the EU also has an option on another 80M doses. This is another vaccine that requires an initial jab with another 8 weeks later (versus 4 weeks gap for the Pfizer one)

These production runs are going to he humongous aren’t they and someone somewhere is quids in - but lets not speculate just who yet, if it works then I’m not sure I’m that bovvered!
 
Bottle said:
Just noticed that fcb The EU had secured 80 million - so I guess we aren’t far from what our allocation might have been if we had signed up with the EU deal - I see the EU also has an option on another 80M doses. This is another vaccine that requires an initial jab with another 8 weeks later (versus 4 weeks gap for the Pfizer one)

These production runs are going to he humongous aren’t they and someone somewhere is quids in - but lets not speculate just who yet, if it works then I’m not sure I’m that bovvered!
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We need to make sure we are all well enough before we get the pitchforks out, although I'm grinding the prongs down on mine in readiness.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
As FC says the big advantage of this one is its seemingly far more stable

Notice the Times reporting that the Pfizer CEO sold 2/3rd's of his shares on the back of last week's announcement and that the share price has since dipped back

Nothing illegal and it was pre-authorised apparently but you do wonder on the timing of announcements as I doubt Pfizer's shares would have surged if they were the second to announce

These companies are all in for a beano it seems anyway
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Yes, probably... and you know what, if they develop a vaccine that works, then they deserve it 👍
 
Bottle said:
Just noticed that fcb The EU had secured 80 million - so I guess we aren’t far from what our allocation might have been if we had signed up with the EU deal
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Do you have a source for that, because I have one that says the EU has no such orders for the vaccine.
 
Lost Seasider said:
UK has contracted for the 5m.
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Most of our eggs are in the Oxford/Astrazenica vaccine basket, which is almost there and awaiting approval.
This is why we didnt spunk billions into the EU collective. It had nothing to do with brexit either.
The EU purchased 300m vaccines via Sanofi, but the trials were halted and the vaccine withdrawn in early September.
Pretty soon after they started phase 1/2 trials with GSK and it seems to be going well, but I suspect a little behind the curve on approval.
 
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No1_club said:
Most of our eggs are in the Oxford/Astrazenica vaccine basket,
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Actually we seem to have quite a few on order, Oxford is one of the larger ones but only the same size as Valneva (don't know who they are), there's another 5 that account for maybe the same again, it would certainly be very nice if the Oxford one works.
 
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