Another Spike

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Matesrates

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Not Milligan. Spoke to my doctor today who said it’s ridiculous, people in Blackpool are acting as if it’s all over and as a result, the Vic is seeing a big increase in cases.

Also spoke to someone working in town who said it’s absolutely packed today. Another full lockdown if we’re not careful.
 
I see that the much lauded South Koreans are closing their schools again because of a new spike in cases.
 
bfcpete said:
I see that the much lauded South Koreans are closing their schools again because of a new spike in cases.
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Because they're on top of it. 60 odd cases in a particular region of the country and so they've immediately shut the schools in that area.
Much lauded. You bet.
If you want to go through their figures and actions and compare them with this countries then let's go!!
 
Hiya Matesrates 🙄 if you look further down there is a post by GJJW titled 'Blackpool Vic Update message'
If you haven't seen the video its worth a look , its a full update as of yesterday
 
southshorepool said:
Because they're on top of it. 60 odd cases in a particular region of the country and so they've immediately shut the schools in that area.
Much lauded. You bet.
If you want to go through their figures and actions and compare them with this countries then let's go!!
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Hang on, I wasn't having a pop at them. Quite the reverse, that they were taking quick action. I wonder if we will do the same if we get the inevitable second or third spikes?
 
bfcpete said:
Hang on, I wasn't having a pop at them. Quite the reverse, that they were taking quick action. I wonder if we will do the same if we get the inevitable second or third spikes?
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Apologies. I think the use of 'much lauded' made me think you were taking the piss. My bad part 2.
 
bfcpete said:
Hang on, I wasn't having a pop at them. Quite the reverse, that they were taking quick action. I wonder if we will do the same if we get the inevitable second or third spikes?
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We shouldn't be relaxing anything now given the reinfection rate and continuing high levels of cases and deaths. Therefore further spikes are inevitable and I expect further strengthening of lockdowns but only if there is sufficient outrage at the increasing deaths by the press.
 
Was in Farmfoods & Lidl on dev rd this am. People milling about all over the place, kids wandering about, mothers yapping in groups of 4/5 in the aisles. I couldn’t get past without almost touching, so left. Staff weren’t much better they were walking up and down with boxes, regardless if anyone was in the aisle.
 
Blackpool has the 6th highest rate of infection per 100,000 residents of all unitary authorities across the UK. Quite a few others in the North West amongst the worst. It hasn't gone away up here.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
You got any proof to back up those figures?
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Numerous reports out there. UCL, University of Southampton, Anthony Costello, Devi Sridah all explaining the devastating consequences of waiting till we had 1.5 million cases before we locked down. Seek them out, it should change your mind about this governments competence, but I'm sure you'll ignore it like all the other evidence.
 
catinstalbans said:
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Because they act quickly, while our government caused ~30000 extra deaths because of their criminal negligence.
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Tut tut Mrs Cat. Did any negligence of government ministers show disregard for the life and safety of others sufficient to amount to a crime against the State? An accusation like that in the media could get you into trouble.
 
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catinstalbans said:
Numerous reports out there. UCL, University of Southampton, Anthony Costello, Devi Sridah all explaining the devastating consequences of waiting till we had 1.5 million cases before we locked down. Seek them out, it should change your mind about this governments competence, but I'm sure you'll ignore it like all the other evidence.
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Answer the question instead of blustering. Do you have any proof that the government caused 30k extra deaths because of criminal negligence? It's a big statement to make. But it doesn't surprise seeing who it came from.
 
Wizaard said:
I think it's fair to say that if we'd not wasted three weeks early on, we would be in a far better position than we are but instead our leader went round shaking hands with sufferers while his top advisor drove all over the country.
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But proof of 30k extra deaths? I know it wasn't you who made the claim. But I'm waiting for said person to back up his/her accusation. But he/she won't because he/she never does.
 
Athers said:
Exercise common sense. Don’t go out if you don’t have to. Keep your distance from others. Wash your hands the second you get in
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Exactly Athers, people seem to want a 10,000 line spread sheet covering every single circumstance. Take some responsibility people, think for yourselves dont go to a crowded area, see your family if you must, just stay safe.
 
catinstalbans said:
Even the Daily Mail reported this one.

www.dailymail.co.uk

UK COVID-19 deaths could have 11,000 if lockdown started sooner

Research by Dr John Dagpunar at the University of Southampton modelled the outcomes of an earlier lockdown and he said: 'earlier action was needed and would have saved many lives'.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Which seems to answer Rusty's question but he's already made it clear that he will NEVER change his opinion, so that expert must be wrong, and the left wing rag it's published in.
 
Athers said:
Exercise common sense. Don’t go out if you don’t have to. Keep your distance from others. Wash your hands the second you get in
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Spot on Athers. The government can't issue an individual handbook to all 60 million people. It can't spoon feed every single one of us. Take responsibility and use common sense.
 
Wizaard said:
Which seems to answer Rusty's question but he's already made it clear that he will NEVER change his opinion, so that expert must be wrong, and the left wing rag it's published in.
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Just like you will never change your mind because it's a Conservative government. And what I said I would never change my mind on is exactly that. Not that I'd never change my mind on how the government are coping with this. I've consistently said I think some criticism of the government has been justified and some not. I've also said that Cummings should go and that Johnson has made a hash of that episode.
But what I won't change my mind on is my opinion that certain posters are criticising because of their own political persuasion and not because of any balanced reason. And the more I read the more I'm convinced.
So you've read my posts but you've only seen what you want to see, not what I've actually said. And in my opinion that's down to your entrenched political views and agenda. You and quite a few others
 
just curious but does anyone know if the figures for blackpool are those admitted to bvh in which case they would include residents of say the fylde coast or just residents of blackpool
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Spot on Athers. The government can't issue an individual handbook to all 60 million people. It can't spoon feed every single one of us. Take responsibility and use common sense.
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So do we do as above and act with Integrity as per Boris or do our civic duty and everyone obey the rules as per the Matt Hancock statement.
 
My vulnerable category neighbours and both daughters neighbours (2 of who are NHS staff) have taken little notice of the rules since they were introduced.
I do think HMG have jumped too quickly in relaxing the rules, especially as 'give some people an inch and they'll take a mile' will undoubtedly apply.
A family member works at a company who are supplying C19 testing kits, and their staffing & production model is now preparing for a spike in September - then we're back to base 1!
 
cruzzer said:
It’s not about liking the government. Compare our death rate to Germany. We’re an island nation so it should have been easier to control, look at NZ as an example.

Somebody has cost tens of thousands excessive deaths and should be accountable.
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China should be held accountable.
I still conclude from all his posts, that Cat doesn't like our government!
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Just like you will never change your mind because it's a Conservative government. And what I said I would never change my mind on is exactly that. Not that I'd never change my mind on how the government are coping with this. I've consistently said I think some criticism of the government has been justified and some not. I've also said that Cummings should go and that Johnson has made a hash of that episode.
But what I won't change my mind on is my opinion that certain posters are criticising because of their own political persuasion and not because of any balanced reason. And the more I read the more I'm convinced.
So you've read my posts but you've only seen what you want to see, not what I've actually said. And in my opinion that's down to your entrenched political views and agenda. You and quite a few others
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Everyone has 'entrenched views' - some people are self declared as 'objective' and 'apolitical' and that sometime means that they avoid critique because it goes against their ideology.

Yes, some people over criticise and I tire of the leftist tendancy to be constantly outraged - it gets boring and it's counter productive because if everything is a SCANDAL then by the time the REAL SCANDAL happens no one is listening anymore.

Everyone has an ideology or a belief system though and some people will willfully avoid engaging in criticism or debate because they want to avoid it or see it as pointless or counter productive somehow.

That belief is entrenched even if they don't reflect the left/right spectrum.

I think that makes sense... Dunno!
 
It's fairly evident that the Government will eventually have to ditch the line that they're following the science. I get the argument about the economy etc etc but there is a view from some quarters that they're now making the science fit the politics. When you have three prominent members of SAGE publicly questioning the policy, you can bet your life there will others thinking the same without declaring.
The most damning critical *evidence' I read was from the Sunday Times last weekend but it all got passed over because some elitist tosspot introduced a wrecking ball to the trust between Govt. and the people.
BTW: For clarity, I despise this government (no surprises there) and am not the slightest bit ashamed of my beliefs. I have, however, managed to follow every guideline they have given us...even up to and including this weekend and keeping to the rules this weekend hurts.
 
Its become clear that we locked down 3 weeks too late, we knew it was coming after what happened in Northern Italy in February and we should have had some controls in place at docks and airports instead of just letting every Tom Dick and Harry stroll in unchecked.
Easy in hindsight to say I know, it will all come out in any subsequent enquiry in circa 2025.
 
And how many deaths could have been prevented by the selfish idiots who ignored lockdown advice? just carried on as normal disregarding everything and spreading infection..... and we still see it today on the beaches and parks.

and before anyone thinks I’m siding with the Government, I’m not! They have made massive errors, which, in turn has lead to increased deaths. It’s not all the Governments fault and a large percentage of finger pointing needs directing at China. Huge cover up, in my opinion and needs investigation.
 
911_Kirky said:
And how many deaths could have been prevented by the selfish idiots who ignored lockdown advice? just carried on as normal disregarding everything and spreading infection..... and we still see it today on the beaches and parks.

and before anyone thinks I’m siding with the Government, I’m not! They have made massive errors, which, in turn has lead to increased deaths. It’s not all the Governments fault and a large percentage of finger pointing needs directing at China. Huge cover up, in my opinion and needs investigation.
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Hardly anyone 'Ignored lockdown advice' save for a few anticipated stragglers, The Primeminister and Senior Cabinet Mebers oh and the Government's most Senior Advisor, most of the British Public have stuck to the lockdown rules.

The beaches and parks thing is only very recently and I'm not sure there's much evidence at this stage to suggest it has had any impact on transmission whatsoever.
 
Fargo99 said:
Its become clear that we locked down 3 weeks too late, we knew it was coming after what happened in Northern Italy in February and we should have had some controls in place at docks and airports instead of just letting every Tom Dick and Harry stroll in unchecked.
Easy in hindsight to say I know, it will all come out in any subsequent enquiry in circa 2025.
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Which one are you, Tom, Dick or Harry? 😉 😁
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Hardly anyone 'Ignored lockdown advice' save for a few anticipated stragglers, The Primeminister and Senior Cabinet Mebers oh and the Government's most Senior Advisor, most of the British Public have stuck to the lockdown rules.

The beaches and parks thing is only very recently and I'm not sure there's much evidence at this stage to suggest it has had any impact on transmission whatsoever.
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Beginning of April, roads were deserted. Getting busier now.
 
Deaths yesterday across Europe:
Spain 2
Italy 87
Germany 24
France 52
Turkey 28
Belgium 42
Sweden 84
Portugal 14
Ireland 6
Poland 13
Romania 13
Hungary 8
Netherlands 28

UK 324
 
911_Kirky said:
And how many deaths could have been prevented by the selfish idiots who ignored lockdown advice? just carried on as normal disregarding everything and spreading infection..... and we still see it today on the beaches and parks.

and before anyone thinks I’m siding with the Government, I’m not! They have made massive errors, which, in turn has lead to increased deaths. It’s not all the Governments fault and a large percentage of finger pointing needs directing at China. Huge cover up, in my opinion and needs investigation.
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China may have made mistakes at the beginning. They really were dealing with a completely unknown quantity with this new virus. They delayed while they made sure the genome of the virus because they wanted it triple checked and absolutely certain was correctly identified and were too slow to spot human to human transition. I
However lack of knowledge about the virus has been used to justify policies here and in the States too.
The UK government however had warnings from Asia (January) and Italy (February and early March) and still chose to do nothing. More people died because of this. This can not be blamed on China. Countries that acted quickly lowered their death rates. We didn't which is why ours is one of the worst in the world. Our government was complacent/negligent at the start. It was incompetent and lied over PPE. More health workers died because of this. It was incompetent and lied over care homes. More care home residents died because of this.anti
Like southshorepool I have followed the government advice to the letter as have 90% of the population.
The blame for the death rates in the UK lies with Boris Johnson and the government not with anyone else.
 
catinstalbans said:
China may have made mistakes at the beginning. They really were dealing with a completely unknown quantity with this new virus. They delayed while they made sure the genome of the virus because they wanted it triple checked and absolutely certain was correctly identified and were too slow to spot human to human transition. I
However lack of knowledge about the virus has been used to justify policies here and in the States too.
The UK government however had warnings from Asia (January) and Italy (February and early March) and still chose to do nothing. More people died because of this. This can not be blamed on China. Countries that acted quickly lowered their death rates. We didn't which is why ours is one of the worst in the world. Our government was complacent/negligent at the start. It was incompetent and lied over PPE. More health workers died because of this. It was incompetent and lied over care homes. More care home residents died because of this.anti
Like southshorepool I have followed the government advice to the letter as have 90% of the population.
The blame for the death rates in the UK lies with Boris Johnson and the government not with anyone else.
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Well that's an admission of something at least. I kept telling you back then but you carried on playing out your party trick of not replying.
I also think it reasonable to say if China had been honest from the start with the WHO then the problem may not have got anywhere near as big as it has. And yes, our govt has made some major errors in their handling of this crisis. But no matter what, it goes back to the source and the source was China.
 
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