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Tory MP Nathalie Elphicke defects to Labour. Another week, another defector...........
It's funny how these MPs suddenly discover a conscience when the dole queue is beckoning.Tory MP Nathalie Elphicke defects to Labour. Another week, another defector...........
The whole of Parliament stinks!It's funny how these MPs suddenly discover a conscience when the dole queue is beckoning.
I'll bet her voting record doesn't suggest 'Labour candidate'.
Anything has to be better than the current government. What we really need is a bigger swing to the left and a government that will genuinely attempt to improve lives for the majority rather than lining their own pockets and the pockets of their mates. I can live in hope….Like i keep saying there really isn't much difference between the Starmer Labour party and this Useless Tory party
It's funny how these MPs suddenly discover a conscience when the dole queue is beckoning.
I'll bet her voting record doesn't suggest 'Labour candidate'.
She smells like a bit of an opportunist to me. Took over her husband’s constituency when he was charged with sexual assault and stood down - she was the only candidate on the Tories’ constituency list - and was elected in 2019. Then sold the story of her divorce to The Sun newspaper for £25k. Worked for nearly a year for a private housing company (set up by Cameron/Clegg) paying her £3k/month for just 8 hours per week.
And now crosses the floor to join Labour in the hope of protecting her 12k+ majority in Dover - is the deal that she will be adopted as the Labour candidate in the GE later this year? If so, Labour must have already selected a prospective parliamentary candidate though; I wonder how they feel?
I disagree completely with your first sentence, its got nothing to do with left or right and to be frank this Labour party certainly aren't left wingAnything has to be better than the current government. What we really need is a bigger swing to the left and a government that will genuinely attempt to improve lives for the majority rather than lining their own pockets and the pockets of their mates. I can live in hope….
So you think the current government should remain in-situ? A government that has systematically eroded our standard of living?I disagree completely with your first sentence, its got nothing to do with left or right and to be frank this Labour party certainly aren't left wing
OK, I wasn’t sure so asked the question. Thanks for the update.She is standing down at the next election - Dover to keep it's selected Labour candidate.
It does seem odd at this point - with only 6 months to go.
You can't know that until you see Labour in Government.Like i keep saying there really isn't much difference between the Starmer Labour party and this Useless Tory party
You don’t understand. The Labour Party is currently in “stealth mode” so as not to frighten the children.I disagree completely with your first sentence, its got nothing to do with left or right and to be frank this Labour party certainly aren't left wing
Symbolism. With the local and mayoral elections still in people's minds this is the sort of gesture that makes a mark.OK, I wasn’t sure so asked the question. Thanks for the update.
It does seem odd, I don’t understand how she benefits, unless it’s revenge against Sunak for some reason. Or, surprisingly for an MP, maybe she has a conscience.
Maybe a deal has been done - I think she has worked in local housing authorities. Perhaps she will be appointed to some quango. The local Conservative association must be seething - they gave her a free hit. Her words against Sunak are also scathing, it looks like some score settling is going on there.OK, I wasn’t sure so asked the question. Thanks for the update.
It does seem odd, I don’t understand how she benefits, unless it’s revenge against Sunak for some reason. Or, surprisingly for an MP, maybe she has a conscience.
She's full of sh!teHere's what Elphicke has to say about her decision to move to Labour:
From small boats to biosecurity, Rishi Sunak’s government is failing to keep our borders safe and secure. Lives are being lost in the English Channel while small boat arrivals are once again at record levels. It’s clear they have failed to keep our borders secure and cannot be trusted.
On housing, Rishi Sunak’s Government is now failing to build the homes we need. Last year saw the largest fall of new housing starts in England in a single year since the credit crunch. The manifesto committed to 300,000 homes next year – but only around half that number are now set to be built. Renters and leaseholders have been betrayed as manifesto pledges to end no fault evictions and abolish ground rents have not been delivered as promised.
The last couple of years have also seen a huge rise in homelessness, in temporary accommodation and rough sleeping - with record numbers of children now in temporary accommodation, without a secure roof over their head.
I see it every day in WalesYou can't know that until you see Labour in Government.
Don't be childish.She's full of sh!te
Of course she is, changes her mind on things like she changes her knickers and lets not forget who started the housing crisisDon't be childish.
Fortunately yours will not be the opinion on which a British Labour Government stands or falls.I see it every day in Wales
Clueless
Need I say more?Of course she is, changes her mind on things like she changes her knickers
You do realise it was Labour who started the housing crisis and who also challenged the need to build new houses yet she has the cheek to blame her previous employersNeed I say more?
Employers? She wasn't in the Government.You do realise it was Labour who started the housing crisis and who also challenged the need to build new houses yet she has the cheek to blame her previous employers
She still got a wage so yeahE
Employers? She wasn't in the Government.
Besides, the origins of the housing crisis lay in the 1980s privatisation of public social housing and the liberalisation of mortgage markets. The former massively reduced the availability of social housing whilst the latter forced many into the private rental sector. But then, you already knew that.
As I said, the liberalisation of mortgage markets, courtesy of Thatcher. Oh, and Elphicke's wage is paid by the State because she is an MP. Her employer is the electorate of Dover.She still got a wage so yeah
Blairs legacy wasn't just taking us to war on lie causing the death of a million people it was the housing fiasco with the average wage 10 times lower than the average house price with people unable to get on the housing ladder
All this whilst Blair building a personal property portfolio of about £40 million quid
The country still hasn't recovered
Same as the thatcherist Blair government. Starmer doesn't even have Blair's limited capability to lie with conviction.Like i keep saying there really isn't much difference between the Starmer Labour party and this Useless Tory party
The difference between Blair and the Tory procession of PMs, is that despite all the bad stuff, he did get things done. Improvenments to the operation of the NHS, reduction in Child poverty, increase in average life expectancy, NI peace settlement.Same as the thatcherist Blair government. Starmer doesn't even have Blair's limited capability to lie with conviction.
Integrity?Like i keep saying there really isn't much difference between the Starmer Labour party and this Useless Tory party
I pose a question here which I am not sure of the answer, or know if it’s the case here.Maybe a deal has been done - I think she has worked in local housing authorities. Perhaps she will be appointed to some quango. The local Conservative association must be seething - they gave her a free hit. Her words against Sunak are also scathing, it looks like some score settling is going on there.
Yeah tax increases and a failure to support the British manufacturing industry or small businessThe difference between Blair and the Tory procession of PMs, is that despite all the bad stuff, he did get things done. Improvenments to the operation of the NHS, reduction in Child poverty, increase in average life expectancy, NI peace settlement.
Joined in an illegal war by knowingly presenting false informationThe difference between Blair and the Tory procession of PMs, is that despite all the bad stuff, he did get things done. Improvenments to the operation of the NHS, reduction in Child poverty, increase in average life expectancy, NI peace settlement.
We don't know a deal had been done. But it seems odd, I had her down as a right winger [not an extremist btw].I pose a question here which I am not sure of the answer, or know if it’s the case here.
Who is worse?
A The person offering tax payers cash in the future for a deal to gain publicity today.
B The person accepting future tax payers cash to help someone gain publicity today.
C It’s politics and it is only tax payers cash so it does not matter.
D Both should be kicked out of politics for being corrupt.
Just asking for a friend
You're a card Phil, taxes are at a record high under the Tories and Thatcher did for manufacturing and thousands of small businesses. Everything wrong with this country economically is the fault of Tories and their crony capitalism. They don't know the likes of you and I exist.Yeah tax increases and a failure to support the British manufacturing industry or small business
Nope, I think you'll find that was Maggie.Yeah tax increases and a failure to support the British manufacturing industry or small business
As I said, despite the bad stuff, and that was just one of them, he improved many basics of life for so many.Joined in an illegal war by knowingly presenting false information
I agree we do not know if a deal happened.We don't know a deal had been done. But it seems odd, I had her down as a right winger [not an extremist btw].
Let's see what happens, the timing was designed to damage Sunak. It could just be score settling within Conservative party.
Will there be more?
I agree few are all bad and few are all good.As I said, despite the bad stuff, and that was just one of them, he improved many basics of life for so many.
Remember when he got pelters for waiting times for a GP at 48 hours, treatment for cancer at a week and taking hundreds of thousands of kids out of poverty? Real growth in wages, national debt paid off until the World Banking crash, river pollution decreasing and fish stocks improving.
The lessons from history are that few are all bad or all good
Fair points, but I wish we still could boast as a nation the same brilliant NHS, reducing poverty and environmental improvement. We really have gone backwards in so many ways in the last 14 years.I agree few are all bad and few are all good.
Lying to everyone to join a war is pretty much down there with the worst of the worst things any politician could do though.
Bluntly, it’s indefensible under any circumstances and any other track record is pretty much immaterial to this.
He should be in prison for what he did, it was criminal and British service people lost their lives and limbs because of it.
FYI - I actually voted for him first time round.
I also do not blame them for the Financial crisis and I think Alastair Darling handled it about as well as anyone could.
Not arguing that at all!Fair points, but I wish we still could boast as a nation the same brilliant NHS, reducing poverty and environmental improvement. We really have gone backwards in so many ways in the last 14 years.
WrongNope, I think you'll find that was Maggie.
Factually incorrect. The paydown of National debt in the first 7 years of the Labour Government was only matched by Maggie selling the family silver, Brown did it on growth. The forecasts were always that debt would not be balanced over the economic cycle, but it was until the Banking Crisis. Darling spent a lot of money keeping the banks from going bust, and continuing large capital projects to provide a soft landing and avoid recession. He achieved that. The Tories then won a minority vote, got the LibDems onside, and immediately imposed austerity and put the country into recession. These are all matters of historical fact.Not arguing that at all!
This government should be taken out and shot with Tony Blair - now that’s an extreme point of view
BUT the reality is Gordon Browns economic policies did not work in the long term as they were fundamentally wrong, and IMHO didn’t take into consideration the real economic cycle.
Hence the return to debt to fuel things (under Labour) and the famous note.
In fairness to the Tories Covid did screw government finance and the economy - as well as the self inflicted wound of a stupid Brexit.
Not sure you are old enough to remember, Phil. I am, that Government decimated manufacturing as it was a hotbed of Union Activity, which was an anathema to her (or more correctly, Keith Joseph's) politics. Early 80's, driving round the north of England, places like Consett and Manchester were wastelands with staggering unemployment rates. Many of those places never recovered.Wrong
I'm not denying it didn't happen in the 80s as i know it did I'm also saying Blair also had a part to play when he was in chargeNot sure you are old enough to remember, Phil. I am, that Government decimated manufacturing as it was a hotbed of Union Activity, which was an anathema to her (or more correctly, Keith Joseph's) politics. Early 80's, driving round the north of England, places like Consett and Manchester were wastelands with staggering unemployment rates. Many of those places never recovered.
Not at all - will reply properly tomorrow as it’s now 3.00am here and off to bed.Factually incorrect. The paydown of National debt in the first 7 years of the Labour Government was only matched by Maggie selling the family silver, Brown did it on growth. The forecasts were always that debt would not be balanced over the economic cycle, but it was until the Banking Crisis. Darling spent a lot of money keeping the banks from going bust, and continuing large capital projects to provide a soft landing and avoid recession. He achieved that. The Tories then won a minority vote, got the LibDems onside, and immediately imposed austerity and put the country into recession. These are all matters of historical fact.
Please, not the old famous note. Someone as well read as yourself will know it has been an ongoing joke between Governments since first written by Reginald Maudling for Jim Callaghan in 1964