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You Guv/Times poll gives Starmer a 33% lead, most of the others ~20%.

Going to be interesting to see how the Conservatives deal with it (if they even try?) and whether the internal factions of the Labour Party snatch defeat from what should be a landslide.

I can't see a snap election.
 
You Guv/Times poll gives Starmer a 33% lead, most of the others ~20%.

Going to be interesting to see how the Conservatives deal with it (if they even try?) and whether the internal factions of the Labour Party snatch defeat from what should be a landslide.

I can't see a snap election.

If that 33 per cent poll lead sticks for a while, and that is only one poll at a very volatile time, so it possibly wont, then surely the Tories will not let Liz Truss lead them into the next election. Boris might be back by then perhaps?
 
Tories have already accepted defeat voting Liz Truss as leader, she is the sacrificial lamb to the slaughter. The next election is the one to lose, whoever gets in power is in for a battering. These ** Tories are burning it all and there will be nothing left worth governing successfully 😡

Hilariously there are a large number of posters on here that would still vote for this lot. Brainwashed.

There's none so blind than those that will not see.
 
Fair theory that if the economic and social position is facing at least this decade to be in depression and turmoil, then the Tory grandees are happy enough to sacrifice one term.

It’s worked time and time again. They strip what can be stripped. Hand over to Labour to tax and spend and attempt to build a social recovery, people feel a continued pinch of Labour policy and after 5 years vote Conservatives back in for their next trough-fest.

Blair broke the cycle until in-fighting and Iraq led to fractures. The global banking collapse did the rest.

Feels like the roaring 20s are here now, but only if you’re part of the top 0.1% of wealth
 
Making £72bn of tax cuts (paid for by borrowing) that benefit the rich (and being proud about it), while cancelling the £20 increase to universal credit and making spending cuts to public services isn't a great idea 18 months before a GE. The recent poll is no surprise, and unless the economy improves very quickly (highly unlikely), then the Tories will get an absolute mauling at the ballot box.
 
Making £72bn of tax cuts (paid for by borrowing) that benefit the rich (and being proud about it), while cancelling the £20 increase to universal credit and making spending cuts to public services isn't a great idea 18 months before a GE. The recent poll is no surprise, and unless the economy improves very quickly (highly unlikely), then the Tories will get an absolute mauling at the ballot box.
Worse to come. Rumoured that they will not increase benefits including pensions in-line with inflation (as Sunak had promised) to help finance their package. Essentially cutting real terms income of the poorest during a cost of living crisis to fund tax cuts for the wealthiest.
 
Worse to come. Rumoured that they will not increase benefits including pensions in-line with inflation (as Sunak had promised) to help finance their package. Essentially cutting real terms income of the poorest during a cost of living crisis to fund tax cuts for the wealthiest.

Yep. The thing with trickle down economics (forgetting for a second that it doesn't work), is that it's meant to result in job creation and opportunities. But unemployment is low - jobs aren't the problem, it's inflation. Cutting taxes so dramatically is entirely the wrong thing to do right now, and Truss/Kwarteng have taken completely the wrong approach. This is what happens when 100k party members get to choose the PM, and cast their vote based on an ideology rather than common sense ideas for the current economic climate.
 
Yep. The thing with trickle down economics (forgetting for a second that it doesn't work), is that it's meant to result in job creation and opportunities. But unemployment is low - jobs aren't the problem, it's inflation. Cutting taxes so dramatically is entirely the wrong thing to do right now, and Truss/Kwarteng have taken completely the wrong approach. This is what happens when 100k party members get to choose the PM, and cast their vote based on an ideology rather than common sense ideas for the current economic climate.
This is what I don’t get and nobody seems to be asking her. Since Brexit we’ve struggled to staff the jobs we do have so how does she expect to find workers for any new jobs, even if the ridiculous policy had a modicum of success. I doubt too many will want to come in from abroad, and wasn’t Brexit about curbing immigration anyway?
Thatcher tried something similar by cutting the richest‘s taxes, her excuse being that it would mean they would take smaller pay rises as they would keep more. Instead it was the start of the fat cat economy with bosses awarding themselves huge rises.
As for the bankers she’s hoping to attract by scrapping the bankers bonus, they’ll come in for two years, claim non domicile status, pay little or no UK tax then disappear back home with their Ill gotten gains.
 
The 2019 GE was expected to be a close run thing according to the polls and we all know how that turned out. The worst Labour result since 1935! NINETEEN BLOODY THIRTYFIVE !🤣😜😀
 
You Guv/Times poll gives Starmer a 33% lead, most of the others ~20%.

Going to be interesting to see how the Conservatives deal with it (if they even try?) and whether the internal factions of the Labour Party snatch defeat from what should be a landslide.

I can't see a snap election.
I think Stsrmer has taken a strong hold of the Party.
 
The 2019 GE was expected to be a close run thing according to the polls and we all know how that turned out. The worst Labour result since 1935! NINETEEN BLOODY THIRTYFIVE !🤣😜😀
Last polls before the election
Survation: Cons 45 Labour 34
Panelbase: Cons 43 Labour 34
Ipsos Mori: Cons 44 Labour 33
Opinionium: Cons 45 Labour 33
Deltapoll: Cons 45 Labour 35
Kantar: Cons 44 Labour 32
YouGov: Cons 43 Labour 34
Comres: Cons 41 Labour 36

Not a single one had it close. Only Comres even fairly close and their final polling was done further away from election day than most of the others

Average of polls. Cons 44 Labour 34.
Actual result. Cons 44 Labour 32.
 
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The OBR, supposedly independent, have had a visit from Truss and Kwarteng, and their report on the mini budget will not be published until 23 November. Reading between the lines, the hoped for growth will be nothing like.
 
I think the Tory Party could be finished and I mean finished forever…especially if PR comes in. Well if you reduce benefits for the poorest and reduce tax for the richest …they deserve it….and unless you’re a Billionaire why are you voting for them? 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
I think the Tory Party could be finished and I mean finished forever…especially if PR comes in. Well if you reduce benefits for the poorest and reduce tax for the richest …they deserve it….and unless you’re a Billionaire why are you voting for them? 🤷🏻‍♂️
The counter-intuitive voting patterns of those who vote for parties that exploit them. It seems paradoxical that many poorer people would vote Conservative when it is the Conservatives who's interests run counter to those voters. However, there are two main reasons why this happens.

The poorest in society feel the most vulnerable and primarily look to leaders who appear strong and decisive and the most likely to provide them with security. Historically, that is how the Conservative Party have presented themselves: truly patriotic, God-fearing, preservers of a known and secure way of life. It is why the rank and file supporters of authoritarian leaders have, in the past been the poorest and more rural members of society: think Napoleon in France, Mussolini (and now the far-right once more) in Italy, the rural poor in South America and East Asia and the tribal 'nationalists' in Africa. By contrast, Labour leaders on the far-left have espoused the internationalist creed - the solidarity of the international proletariat. However, the word proletariat was coined to describe a class that is (a) largely urban and (b) the politicised working class centred in industrial communities. Conversely, it is the poorest in our society - the long-term unemployed, the sick and disabled, those in insecure or zero-hours jobs and without secure housing - who rail against immigration, control from outside our country (the EU) and the concept of being left open to external influences.

The other principal reason why poor communities support Conservative leaders is the belief that being well-off financially and comfortable is the exclusive domain of the Conservative creed. That to vote left wing is to have no sense of betterment. This is a perception largely concentrated among the poorest in communities that lack major employers, employing large workforces. It is seen most clearly in the so-called, post-industrial old towns of the North and Midlands -the Red Wall.
 
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Two new polls today with 30pt leads. The outlier is looking like less of an outlier...If the election was tomorrow the Tories would be lucky to get double digit seats.
 
The counter-intuitive voting patterns of those who vote for parties that exploit them. It seems paradoxical that many poorer people would vote Conservative when it is the Conservatives who's interests run counter to those voters. However, there are two main reasons why this happens.

The poorest in society feel the most vulnerable and primarily look to leaders who appear strong and decisive and the most likely to provide them with security. Historically, that is how the Conservative Party have presented themselves: truly patriotic, God-fearing, preservers of a known and secure way of life. It is why the rank and file supporters of authoritarian leaders have, in the past been the poorest and more rural members of society: think Napoleon in France, Mussolini (and now the far-right once more) in Italy, the rural poor in South America and East Asia and the tribal 'nationalists' in Africa. By contrast, Labour leaders on the far-left have espoused the internationalist creed - the solidarity of the international proletariat. However, the word proletariat was coined to describe a class that is (a) largely urban and (b) the politicised working class centred in industrial communities. Conversely, it is the poorest in our society - the long-term unemployed, the sick and disabled, those in insecure or zero-hours jobs and without secure housing - who rail against immigration, control from outside our country (the EU) and the concept of being left open to external influences.

The other principal reason why poor communities support Conservative leaders is the belief that being well-off financially and comfortable is the exclusive domain of the Conservative creed. That to vote left wing is to have no sense of betterment. This is a perception largely concentrated among the poorest in communities that lack major employers, employing large workforces. It is seen most clearly in the so-called, post-industrial old towns of the North and Midlands -the Red Wall.
Yes I can see that and apply it to various regimes throughout history.
What I hope for in the U.K. is a change in the Political landscape. The Tories have shifted to the very extreme right taking their aspirational support with them.
The Centre Right hopefully will drift to the Labour Party who have expunged the extreme left.
There was an element of sarcasm in the last line of my post; I understand the aspirations of the working class Tory’s, I enjoyed reading your reply all the same.
It should be interesting in Birmingham next week.
 
Yes I can see that and apply it to various regimes throughout history.
What I hope for in the U.K. is a change in the Political landscape. The Tories have shifted to the very extreme right taking their aspirational support with them.
The Centre Right hopefully will drift to the Labour Party who have expunged the extreme left.
There was an element of sarcasm in the last line of my post; I understand the aspirations of the working class Tory’s, I enjoyed reading your reply all the same.
It should be interesting in Birmingham next week.
You are sincere. Unfortunately there are many working class Tories who would chew glass before voting Labour. Then again, I live on the Fylde coast. I hope that elsewhere your view holds.
 
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