Vaccine may be available by September

Christ I hope so. It’s very upsetting reading all the deaths everyday. Very challenging times and I hope the trials go well and we can all tell this virus (where ever it originated) to finally piss off!
 
I read an interview with her in today’s Times, it does sound positive, and as she says it’s not just a hunch she’s got. As a professor of vaccinology, herself and her team of researchers have been working around the clock to develope a vaccine, which is expected to be tested on humans in the next couple of weeks. Fingers crossed
 
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But even if these - or any other tests - do prove successful, it's not expected that manufacturers will be able to produce a mass-produced vaccine until the second half of 2021.

Remember, there are four coronaviruses that already circulate in human beings. They cause the common cold, and we don't have vaccines for any of them.


Also mentioned this on Horizon the other night.😞
 
StAnnesTang said:
From BBC website :
But even if these - or any other tests - do prove successful, it's not expected that manufacturers will be able to produce a mass-produced vaccine until the second half of 2021.

Remember, there are four coronaviruses that already circulate in human beings. They cause the common cold, and we don't have vaccines for any of them.


Also mentioned this on Horizon the other night.😞
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Why on earth would we want a vaccine for the common cold?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Why on earth would we want a vaccine for the common cold?
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There are at least 200 types of the cold viruses, with the Rhinovirus being the most commonly caught. This is why people can catch a cold 3 or 5 times a year being that there are so many, or your simply catching the Rhino often.

To decrease your chance of getting it, simply follow the guidelines that are used today, such as not touching surfaces, then touching your face. And thoroughly hand washing after being outdoors before you pack your shopping away as this quite often creates a distraction of washing one's hands.
 
A professor from a lab featured on that Horizon programme on Thursday believed he would have a vaccine available soon and that 5 million would be available by winter! Not sure what to believe at the moment but the sooner the better so we can get back to some sort of normality.
 
Oz_Cod_Pool said:
There are at least 200 types of the cold viruses, with the Rhinovirus being the most commonly caught. This is why people can catch a cold 3 or 5 times a year being that there are so many, or your simply catching the Rhino often.

To decrease your chance of getting it, simply follow the guidelines that are used today, such as not touching surfaces, then touching your face. And thoroughly hand washing after being outdoors before you pack your shopping away as this quite often creates a distraction of washing one's hands.
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That's fantastic. but it doesn't really answer the question.
 
Hey, lets stay positive. Some of the best brains on the planet are working their arses off night and day. These guys know what they are doing, its what they do. Technology has moved on so much to help them speed up the process. Do you really think that if they get a working vaccine, the world will not move heaven and earth to get it going?
 
StAnnesTang said:
From BBC website :
But even if these - or any other tests - do prove successful, it's not expected that manufacturers will be able to produce a mass-produced vaccine until the second half of 2021.

Remember, there are four coronaviruses that already circulate in human beings. They cause the common cold, and we don't have vaccines for any of them.


Also mentioned this on Horizon the other night.😞
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That Horizon programme was a good watch .
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Why on earth would we want a vaccine for the common cold?
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Its certainly not important.
tbf bifster i think it would depend on the technology. ideally i guess it would be nice if you had the option to have one jab & never get a cold again.
But i cant see that realistically being an option & unless it could be achieved it would be pretty pointless.
 
Bifster:
You might not want a cure for the "common" cold but think how much money Big Pharma will make when they find one?
That's why the race for a Covid 19 vaccine is so intense. Whoever gets there first will make another fortune.
Let's just hope there are no shortcuts that lead to thalidomde style mistakes.
 
The point is...We wouldn't want a vaccined for the common cold...There's absolutelky no need for one....Hence why nobody including so called 'Big Pharma' has wasted any time or valuable resource on such a trivial matter. I mean what kind of fool would seriously consider jacking themselves full of poison in order to avoid a minor inconvenience?

The point being...That the lack of a vaccine for existing and generally harmless coronavirus has no relevance at all to the ability of scientists to develop one for this new virus.
 
Still no vaccine for HIV or Herpes. Read a lot about this today, seems like a very long shot. Good for funding purposes though
 
Amazon can look all they want, you;d still have to be an idiot to get vaccinated for the common cold....How about stop eating garbage, get healthy and boost your immune system naturally?
 
Insider said:
Bifster. Not everbody thinks the same as you. It's all about the money. It always is.
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I get that, which is why I'd be reticent to get vaccinated for CV19, never mind a cold.... I seriously can't see people with any sense getting vaccinated for a cold though.... Maybe they will though....

There'll come a point where our immune system stops functioning if we keep dulling it with pharnmaceuticals IMO,
 
I don't think I would get vaccinated against a cold and I turned down a flu jab this year but I'll be in the queue for Covid 19/20/21 ... jabs.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I get that, which is why I'd be reticent to get vaccinated for CV19, never mind a cold.... I seriously can't see people with any sense getting vaccinated for a cold though.... Maybe they will though....

There'll come a point where our immune system stops functioning if we keep dulling it with pharnmaceuticals IMO,
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The problem in severe COVID-19 is the immune system functioning too well
 
Jab for the common cold = £££££££. They’d do it if they could but because there are so many versions of he common cold and people know this they would need a vaccine for each version.

Coronaviruses mutate. Flu mutates, that’s why a flu jab is very likely to be no use at all. If they base it on last year’s flu it won’t work so they have to guess what next year’s might be like then market it and hope no-one thinks about it too hard. When they reveal their answer to this cv19 it cant properly take in to account mutation or what the virus will be like when their money spinner is revealed.

Boosting your immune system as BFC3 says is key. Vitamin c, d, zinc, selenium, healthy eating. Exercise, when you’re allowed out of your bunker. For all those who can obviously.

Jacking themselves full of poison is a great phrase, hardly anyone sees it as that though. There’s trust in the system and not only do those receiving jabs not look in to what is in there and the effects but most GPs probably don’t know what’s in there either. Just receiving instructions from above and getting commissons for each one given.

Do you care what they inject in to you or do you just want to trust someone who looks authoritative and says it’s safe? What if they put, say, cells of other animals in them? Would that be OK for vegetarians for example?

Who knows what VAERS is?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Hey, lets stay positive. Some of the best brains on the planet are working their arses off night and day. These guys know what they are doing, its what they do. Technology has moved on so much to help them speed up the process. Do you really think that if they get a working vaccine, the world will not move heaven and earth to get it going?
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Surely it's a front for Bill Gates to kill you? Don't fall for it sheeple 😉
 
If the vaccine works, then they will HAVE to find a way to upscale production.

Johnson & Johnson also reckon they are nearly there with a vaccine - not for profit - and all the talk was about how they intended to upscale production including across European sites.
 
What is this hate in with vaccines? Smallpox, polio, diptheria, Whooping cough, meazles, killers that are eradicated by vaccine.

I surely hope non of you are still basing your views on the doctor who made up data to discredit the Whooping Cough vaccine over autism

Poison?? most of them are dead versions of the virus, exposing the immune system which then builds immunity in the same way as when naturally exposed
 
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Poison?? most of them are dead versions of the virus, exposing the immune system which then builds immunity in the same way as when naturally exposed
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The vulnerable need protecting and we're not sure how long this virus lasts-its certainly the most contagious the world has ever seen and the most scary.
To give up on a vaccine would be to give up on the elderly and sick and we'll all be at that point sometime.
 
Moss, there is no question in my mind that vaccines have a place and your 'argument' is a well trodden one. Vaccines have, however become much more prolific and controversial. The content of many vaccines include a form of mercury, formaldahyde, aluminium. antibiotics, latex, human & animal products, to name just a few.

As someone has mentioned, they are now seeking a vaccine for the common cold, which is a minor inconvenience, rather than a deadly disease.

Personally I'd always be inclined to weigh up the benefit of any form of pharmaceutical medication, which make no mistake, are also 'poisons' before considering their use. Many everyday medications will literally strip your immune system and leave your body lacking in essential vitamins and minerals, leading to all manner of unecessary health problems.

It's important to recognise that unlike many of the historic vaccines, which were developed with a sense of altruism, the modern drive for immunisation is driven by profit. That being the case, I think people are justified in being extremely cautious about the choices they make.
 
X3 thanks for that, I am pleased to hear you are not against all vaccines, just the bits that go into them. You are entitled to your view, of course, but I consider those who do not use what vaccines there are available for their kids, eg Meazles, Whooping cough, polio, to be incredibly selfish. Not only do they put their own kids at risk, they risk others because of lack of real "Herd Immunity". If you have ever heard a child struggling to breather whilst "whooping" you'd have your own immunised in an instant.

Personally, I think the risk from a miniscule amount of Thiomersal is far outweighed by the benefit of having a stable vaccine which can be used anywhere without refrigeration. Life is not safe, it's a matter of acceptable risk.
 
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X3 thanks for that, I am pleased to hear you are not against all vaccines, just the bits that go into them. You are entitled to your view, of course, but I consider those who do not use what vaccines there are available for their kids, eg Meazles, Whooping cough, polio, to be incredibly selfish. Not only do they put their own kids at risk, they risk others because of lack of real "Herd Immunity". If you have ever heard a child struggling to breather whilst "whooping" you'd have your own immunised in an instant.

Personally, I think the risk from a miniscule amount of Thiomersal is far outweighed by the benefit of having a stable vaccine which can be used anywhere without refrigeration. Life is not safe, it's a matter of acceptable risk.
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Of course it is about acceptable risk and my children have all had the major vaccines...That said, I also respect indviduals right to make informed choices that they are comfortable with and believe that education rather than enforcement or 'vaccine shaming' is the right way to approach the matter.

As I've said already, vaccines are no longer limited to highly infectious diseases or, in some cases diseases that cause serious harm and I'm not entirely sure that's a good thing.
 
groundsman said:
Bill Gates is the driving force behind vaccines. Whats his motives? To help? A power trip?
https://twitter.com/x/status/1249229292514369541
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I think Gate's monopolisation of the Global Health agenda is very concerning.....We really shouldn't be allowing individuals to have so much influence.

It's an extremely tangled web...Involving substantial tax avoidance through funding research in corporations in which he has a financial interest, huge influence over the WHO and other Global Health organisations.

Roll into that the whole digital tattooing and certification which, in Gates own words, would allow people to then participate freely in society and Icke and others start not to sound quite as insane as we might have thought.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Understood, such as what diseases?
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HPV, for example, is a sexually transmitted disease and Hep B is also sexually transmitted or blood borne... In those instances I think it is perfectly reasonable to favour education and the practice of safer sex over a vaccine.

I personally wouldn't take a flu jab unless I was considered to be extremely high risk and 100% would not even consider being vaccinated for a minor ailment like the common cold.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
HPV, for example, is a sexually transmitted disease and Hep B is also sexually transmitted or blood borne... In those instances I think it is perfectly reasonable to favour education and the practice of safer sex over a vaccine.

I personally wouldn't take a flu jab unless I was considered to be extremely high risk and 100% would not even consider being vaccinated for a minor ailment like the common cold.
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Thanks for that, personally I think both the top examples are good ones where early vaccination saves lives, I think saving lives from Cervical Cancer is pretty damned important. Practicing safe sex throughout our lives might have a bit of an impact on the birth rate 😁

Flu jab and mythical cold, agreed, unless, like my Missus, flu wrecks her lungs for several weeks.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Thanks for that, personally I think both the top examples are good ones where early vaccination saves lives, I think saving lives from Cervical Cancer is pretty damned important. Practicing safe sex throughout our lives might have a bit of an impact on the birth rate 😁

Flu jab and mythical cold, agreed, unless, like my Missus, flu wrecks her lungs for several weeks.
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As you say..."Personally......"

It is fundamentally about personal choice...Neither HPV or Hepititus B could be considered to be highly infectious and have more to do with lifestyle choices IMHO.

The efficacy of the vaccinations is also subject to some debate as are the dangers and so I see not issue with people making the choices that suit them, especially where vaccines are somewhat new.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The efficacy of the vaccinations is also subject to some debate as are the dangers and so I see not issue with people making the choices that suit them, especially where vaccines are somewhat new.
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Understand your concerns about any of the "additives" but what are the other dangers ? You are basically challenging the immune system with a small piece of what it may well have to face anyway?

I am surprised you are so blase about HPV related cervical cancer, dismissing it as a lifestyle choice. As with so many things, one person may be careless and another innocent dies, hardly a choice. Bloke picks it up as an early adult, safe sex for years, then decides to have a child with his partner. Boom, she gets it and possibly cancer. Not her choice she died.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Understand your concerns about any of the "additives" but what are the other dangers ? You are basically challenging the immune system with a small piece of what it may well have to face anyway?

I am surprised you are so blase about HPV related cervical cancer, dismissing it as a lifestyle choice. As with so many things, one person may be careless and another innocent dies, hardly a choice. Bloke picks it up as an early adult, safe sex for years, then decides to have a child with his partner. Boom, she gets it and possibly cancer. Not her choice she died.
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TM, I'm surprised that you are so blase about what you and particularly others should put into their bodies, given the significant health issues that have resulted in the past. You may consider your trust in the pharmacetical and medical 'industry' to be a virtue, whereas I would personally see it as potentially misplaced and foolhardy.

A number of health concerns have been raised in regard to vaccination and in particular the signifcant increased numbers of vaccinations being given to children.

I'm not blase about HPV, though I do recognise the individual or parental right not to be forced, pressured or cojoled into accepting a vaccine, particularly in the case where they might prefer to adopt a different approach. Individuals should always be free to choose and have access to balanced information to enable them to make an informed choice. In fact I'd go further and say that IMHO increasing pressure on vaccine uptake is potentially counterproductive.

You make it sound like having sex with a sigle partner who may or may not have contracted HPV is "Boom" an automatic death sentence. Frankly that is utterly ridiculous and a totally disproprortionate representation of the real risk or (in those circumstances) the benefit of accepting a vaccination.

If an individual wishes to make the personal choice to manage their risk by practicing safe sex, rather than being injected with toxins, then I support their right to make that choice, without being pressured or shamed.
 
I'm partly in support of Bifster's view but what surprises me is that he hasn't mentioned the amount of drugs we currently pump into our food chain through the animals we eat. If anything turned me into a veggie that would be the reason.
Over to you BFC.
 
Insider said:
I'm partly in support of Bifster's view but what surprises me is that he hasn't mentioned the amount of drugs we currently pump into our food chain through the animals we eat. If anything turned me into a veggie that would be the reason.
Over to you BFC.
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I'm not sure why you would expect me to mention that in relation to this discussion insider, but being as you have mentioned it, I think that the drugs we pump into farm animals is extremely dangerous.

Not that it will impact on the overall antibiotic resistance, but I personally am very selective about the meat and dairy that I consume. I don't eat meat or dairy from antibiotic fed animals.

Maybe it will be us and our meat eating habits and processes, rather than the Chinese, who are responsible for the next Global pandemic??
 
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I met a scientist a few years back who was working an non-antibiotic, natural solution to keeping mainly chickens and pigs healthy. It sounded really promising. The Chines were very interested but I've not read anything about it subsequently so I guessed it failed or Big Pharma bought him out and surpressed it.
 
The solution is fairly straightforward...Encourage people to eat far less meat and don't keep animals cooped up in unnatural conditions...Up to their eyeballs in their own faeces
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
TM, I'm surprised that you are so blase about what you and particularly others should put into their bodies, given the significant health issues that have resulted in the past. You may consider your trust in the pharmacetical and medical 'industry' to be a virtue, whereas I would personally see it as potentially misplaced and foolhardy.
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Wow

Antibiotics, Cancer treatment, treatments for depression, MS, asthma, parasites, high blood pressure, contraception. All these looking after members of my immediate family, in cases saving their and my life. Yet you say my trust is misplaced and foolhardy. Guess you must have a very healthy family.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Wow

Antibiotics, Cancer treatment, treatments for depression, MS, asthma, parasites, high blood pressure, contraception. All these looking after members of my immediate family, in cases saving their and my life. Yet you say my trust is misplaced and foolhardy. Guess you must have a very healthy family.
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Not strictly speaking, but I would certainly argue that there are effective alternative ways to treat some of the conditions you mention. that can avoid putting poisons into your system and suffering the consequences. It's always a balancing act, between the benefit of the drug and the damage that it does to your body and natural immune system.

For example, Blood Pressure medication can lead to malabsorption, resulting in poor immune system, osteoporosis, water retention, muscle spasms, muscle pain and heart arrythmias as well as damaging your liver and kidneys. Some scientists argue that the current levels for extablishing the requirement for treatment of blood pressure are uneccesarily low. There are alternative options for treatment particularly at the lower end of the spectrum can be very effective...Diet, Weight Loss, Vitamin D, B, C & K, Potassium, Magnesium, reduced Sodium, Eliminating Alcohol and natural remedies such as Hawthorn. (There's even questions been raised recently whether Ace Inhibitors and Ace Receptor Blockers (two of the most common Blood Pressure medications) might make users more susceptable to more severe Covid19 effects.

Exercise, Breathing Exercise, Cold Therapy, Yoga, Meditation & Diet, again Vitamin D (which most of us are deficient) and B complex are also helpful in the treatment of depression & anxiety.

Contraception is certainly not something I would be happy with a partner or children being on for anything other than a relatively short period, yet Doctors hand them out like sweets, without properly communicating the risks.

Pharmaceuticals have their place of course....I can see the benefit in acute care for example and obviously they can be beneficial in circumdtances where they offer relief from something far worse, but they sre certainly over-prescribed.

Other drugs that they are handing out to all and sundry these days are PPI's (protein pump inhibitors) you may have heard of Omeprazol, Lansoprazol etc... They are used for acid suppression and disorder such as GERD... These are killers, they strip your body of nutrients, cause cancers, heart problems, pancreatitis, bone loss etc..

Proper medication reviews for long terms patients are often missed, one form of medication often leads to requirements for another... For example, PPI's are often prescribed to people using NSAID's and other drugs, due to them causing stomach problems, acid reflux and so on..

There is no profit in cure...
 
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I give up, you have defeated me. You have your answer for everything, my relative with Depression would not be here without medication, no amount of diet exercise, etc, would have helped, he would have committed suicide. So maybe before you hand out your utopian view of the world, you just think about that 😡

Many friends in the past in research of all disciplines, trying their best to develop treatments to save lives, all the folk currently working night and day to come up with treatments and a vaccine to save lives in real time.

Still, you know better
 
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