Grayson rumour.

Nazzer

Nazzer

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Just a snippet of a person who works quite high up that could be his last game if it's a loss against Southend. And already got a replacement lined up. Allegedly
 
So there might be substance in those rumours about the Spanish guy recently working in India?
 
Can’t see that sort of information getting out tbh.

That said, I do think Grayson needs to get a positive result on Saturday.
 
We don’t really know whether Sadler is the kind of chairman that loses confidence swiftly and acts on it swiftly or whether he avoids trigger happy decisions. His day job could suggest he is used to planning for the long term whilst always having to make quick decisions on things depending on the lie of the land....so who knows which way he will swing on Grayson? He could be trigger happy but I really don’t see it myself. I bet he’s had the pull your socks up with these new players or your out conversation though.
 
The one thing the new owner and board have been good at is stopping the leak of information. If I were owner or CEO I'd always have my eye on who is best to replace the current manager. A successful business should have succession planning in place for a number of reasons. Any manager on a run of 10 without a win would be close to the chop, ignore what Grayson says, he knows he's lost a big percentage of fans and is on borrowed time.
 
He was in a similar position when we faced struggling Leyton Orient in September 2006. He was one game from a sacking. Of course we all know what the outcome was.
He is now walking on egg shells during February. Only 4/6 points for next 2 home games will save him.
 
I think Sadler sees this as a rebuilding season and has Grayson down as a two or three year tenure, if we slip any further though he's going to have to rethink but right now nothing is going to change.
 
Football tradition is that the Board come out with a public statement of confidence in the manager. Then he gets sacked.
 
Can't believe that SS already has a new Manager lined up.
What happens if we win? Does SS say to the prospective manager, 'Sorry, wait until we lose again'?😒
 
poolseasider said:
Only rumour I've heard he has lost the dressing room with disharmony in the camp.
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How can he have lost the dressing room when it's more or less a new team.....most have only been here a few weeks.
If it was the last lot of underachieving journeymen....no wonder, as Larry was sacking them off
 
Can see us getting three points over the next couple of games, followed by a spanking at Rovers then a dull draw at Wimbledon
 
Newbury is correct on this, Mr Mansford will have a plan in place just in case, otherwise he is not doing his job correctly, as for the rumour, I would imagine that this kind of information would only be available to members of the board !
 
Nazzer said:
Just a snippet of a person who works quite high up that could be his last game if it's a loss against Southend. And already got a replacement lined up. Allegedly
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If he sets up defencibly against Southend and we lose......again, ...then he really should be sacked.

What will p!ss me off the most about this is that he will be able to just walk away with the rest of his contract paid up. Bald cnut
 
In the end they all get sacked.

I'm more impressed by Nasser's avatar - haven't seen Stripy Dress Girl for a while 🤪
 
I've always said Grayson will have this season to build, but if and IF we did lose the next 2 games it will be interesting to see if anything happens
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Can’t see that sort of information getting out tbh.

That said, I do think Grayson needs to get a positive result on Saturday.
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Errr what? In your corporate position you've steamed into anyone with a modicum of criticism of Simon Grayson. Never mind tomorrow pal. You've nailed your colours. If he's sacked I fully expect for you, OG and Robbie to be screaming what an utter twunt Simon Sadler is. You've made your beds - now settle in them. No turncoats thankyou. 👍
 
Been chatting to my man tonight, he let me know about the Tilt saga, was bob on about everything with that, he told me weeks in advance about SS’s take over too.
I wa quiet surprised when he said the moods really changed against Grayson upstairs, they now consider him self yesterdays man.

absolutely bollocks about having someone lined up, but if these two results don’t go well “he’s unlikely to see the season out”.

I had doubted SS would be so trigger happy, but sounds like he’s not very impressed even in this rebuilt phase.

when you think about the signings, the arguments been, SS wouldn’t get rid of SG after investing so much. Iv said similarly along these lines. Has that much actually been invested up to this point? Thorniley, Garrity, Edwards and Ward all easily funded from the Thompson, Guy and Tilt sales. After that lots of 6 month loans that can be discarded at the end of the season if a new manager wants change.

Iv advocated for Grayson to be given time, and I’m still of that opinion. With where this line has come from and the spot on nature of the things he’s told me before it doesn’t look like he’s going to get it. Good or bad only time will tell.
 
Rektseasider said:
Thorniley, Garrity, Edwards and Ward all easily funded from the Thompson, Guy and Tilt sales. After that lots of 6 month loans that can be discarded at the end of the season if a new manager wants change.
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Madine, Howe, Husband were all given permanent contracts. Edwards was signed last summer by McPhillips. I'm sure SS is concerned about a ten game winless run. There clearly needs to be an improvement, within the next three or four games.

But the decision making from above won't look too clever, on the surface, if Grayson is removed shortly after the club made 12 new signings. Maybe Larry didn't have much say in those? Is the long term planning what it should be? I'd say Madine and Howe are probably decent signings, the other four permanents less inspiring. I'd have gone for those two and some loans to bolster the squad til the summer. Dewsbury-Hall, Ronan, Taylor-Moore, Heneghan and Bola, plus Madine and Howe was plenty.

Not sure whether Husband, Thorniley and Ward are the future, but time will tell. Garrity is maybe worth a low cost punt, Maxwell is cover til May. Is he better than Mafoumbi?

On reflection, it's probably just the Thorniley and Ward signings you'd question, and the jury is still out on those two. Questions about Ward's fitness and Thorniley's position to resolve.

We are going to need another big rebuild in the summer, though, cos half this squad will leave in May/June. It won't be Larry's job unless there's a clear upturn in results and performances, obviously. And he's juggling so many new balls in training that it feels like the business of improving the side has been made over complicated. He needs to be really on it.
 
Macseasider said:
Errr what? In your corporate position you've steamed into anyone with a modicum of criticism of Simon Grayson. Never mind tomorrow pal. You've nailed your colours. If he's sacked I fully expect for you, OG and Robbie to be screaming what an utter twunt Simon Sadler is. You've made your beds - now settle in them. No turncoats thankyou. 👍
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Had a wee dram, have we?
 
voyeur said:
Madine, Howe, Husband were all given permanent contracts. Edwards was signed last summer by McPhillips. I'm sure SS is concerned about a ten game winless run. There clearly needs to be an improvement, within the next three or four games.
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sorry did mean Husband get him and Edwards mixed up all the time. Madine was free and yes lump Howe into the permanent signings column.

The more I think about it now, SS at this point has not made a massive net spend. Possibly no net spend at all. (Leaving wages aside). I’m not saying this is a good or bad thing at this point. Far too early to say, and gives plenty of wiggle room with SG to depart in the next month or so if things don’t drastically improve.
 
Rektseasider said:
sorry did mean Husband get him and Edwards mixed up all the time. Madine was free and yes lump Howe into the permanent signings column.

The more I think about it now, SS at this point has not made a massive net spend. Possibly no net spend at all. (Leaving wages aside). I’m not saying this is a good or bad thing at this point. Far too early to say, and gives plenty of wiggle room with SG to depart in the next month or so if things don’t drastically improve.
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Its not really about transfer fees at League One level and below. Our wage bill has grown significantly. We have quite a few players contracted into next season, but most of the better quality players are on loan. Sadler is saddled with quite a few players who are not the quality we really need for another season at least after this one. It will sap the financial resources.
 
voyeur said:
Its not really about transfer fees at League One level and below. Our wage bill has grown significantly. We have quite a few players contracted into next season, but most of the better quality players are on loan. Sadler is saddled with quite a few players who are not the quality we really need for another season at least after this one. It will sap the financial resources.
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If you spend money at this level you generally get promoted as most teams are on a shoestring.

I’m not so sure the wage bill has risen a great deal. When you factor in the outgoings we’ve freed up wages there. I’d say Madine is the only one that’s probably surpassed the wage structure.
Of the players contracted into next year, so far I’d say Nuttall and Hardie seem to be the only real deadweight, there again we re going to loose a lot of wages. Gnando, Scannell maybe Feeney.
All in all I’d say we re much of a muchness at this point with only really one or two, clear to see positive investments in the past two windows.

I think a lot of our expense can be dropped in summer and we roll on with a semi clean slate. Perfect for a new manager.

I have been advocating for SG to be given till Christmas, but if we have another disastrous few weeks I now think he ll be gone And we ll be in rebuild mode again.
 
We’ve been lacking in inspiration and decent players. We seem to have rectified one of the problems so maybe Grayson will get his mojo back. He must have been inspirational at some point to turn us around from nowhere to playoff winners last time he was with us at this level?

I can’t see Nuttall being on massive wages?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I think Sadler sees this as a rebuilding season and has Grayson down as a two or three year tenure, if we slip any further though he's going to have to rethink but right now nothing is going to change.
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In 2 or 3 seasons time we will have no fans left having to watch that dross. 😩
 
I reckon that bought him another game, the lads he's signed might give him until the end of the season but I am still hopeful that Sadler will review it at the end of the season.
 
M61Exile said:
I reckon that bought him another game, the lads he's signed might give him until the end of the season but I am still hopeful that Sadler will review it at the end of the season.
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Heard yesterday from a former player and someone who knows Grayson that yesterday could have been it if we'd lost. Clearly not out of the woods yet and now he has to find both the result and the performance or I can't see him lasting the summer.
 
Poolfan2 said:
Heard yesterday from a former player and someone who knows Grayson that yesterday could have been it if we'd lost. Clearly not out of the woods yet and now he has to find both the result and the performance or I can't see him lasting the summer.
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Saved by a 50/50 penalty decision, and a striker the fans want rid of?
 
Going off recent form, Southend are better than Oxford.

Speaking of form, would anyone about to play us try and assess us based on current season form with so many changes to the squad? I doubt it so not sure why we're obsessing about must win games at this point.

Obviously we need time to gel, exactly when that should happen by is open to debate but is anyone seriously suggesting we're at that point now?
 
voyeur said:
Saved by a 50/50 penalty decision, and a striker the fans want rid of?
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In some of the games weve lost we haven't played well but also lost by the odd goal or bad decision like when we legitimately led against accrington. Some fine margins.

But if SG was in trouble, the last game may have lifted some pressure, but we have to continue to get both results and performances people want to come and watch.
 
Rektseasider said:
Been chatting to my man tonight, he let me know about the Tilt saga, was bob on about everything with that, he told me weeks in advance about SS’s take over too.
I wa quiet surprised when he said the moods really changed against Grayson upstairs, they now consider him self yesterdays man.

absolutely bollocks about having someone lined up, but if these two results don’t go well “he’s unlikely to see the season out”.

I had doubted SS would be so trigger happy, but sounds like he’s not very impressed even in this rebuilt phase.

when you think about the signings, the arguments been, SS wouldn’t get rid of SG after investing so much. Iv said similarly along these lines. Has that much actually been invested up to this point? Thorniley, Garrity, Edwards and Ward all easily funded from the Thompson, Guy and Tilt sales. After that lots of 6 month loans that can be discarded at the end of the season if a new manager wants change.

Iv advocated for Grayson to be given time, and I’m still of that opinion. With where this line has come from and the spot on nature of the things he’s told me before it doesn’t look like he’s going to get it. Good or bad only time will tell.
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So be interesting to see if this was true then....
 
Rektseasider said:
Been chatting to my man tonight, he let me know about the Tilt saga, was bob on about everything with that, he told me weeks in advance about SS’s take over too.
I wa quiet surprised when he said the moods really changed against Grayson upstairs, they now consider him self yesterdays man.

absolutely bollocks about having someone lined up, but if these two results don’t go well “he’s unlikely to see the season out”.

I had doubted SS would be so trigger happy, but sounds like he’s not very impressed even in this rebuilt phase.

when you think about the signings, the arguments been, SS wouldn’t get rid of SG after investing so much. Iv said similarly along these lines. Has that much actually been invested up to this point? Thorniley, Garrity, Edwards and Ward all easily funded from the Thompson, Guy and Tilt sales. After that lots of 6 month loans that can be discarded at the end of the season if a new manager wants change.

Iv advocated for Grayson to be given time, and I’m still of that opinion. With where this line has come from and the spot on nature of the things he’s told me before it doesn’t look like he’s going to get it. Good or bad only time will tell.
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Looks like this was spot on...
 
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