You would but show me proof it’s not?You'd like to think the public purse isn't funding this
As she's not a UK citizen why would the taxpayer fund it?You'd like to think the public purse isn't funding this
Not read a single reply, but I bet there's some crackers on this one already. Pip and Cat will be annoyed. This is double-ton material in the right hands...
I sincerely hope notYou'd like to think the public purse isn't funding this
I’am sure it was taken into account but it didn’t do her any good.As she's not my daughter, I take the same view as most people, that we don't want her back here. But that doesn't stop me thinking that at 15, she was highly coerced into this and that should be something taken into account.
I’m torn between having feelings a mother would have, yet realising we have to set examples where we can.As she's not my daughter, I take the same view as most people, that we don't want her back here. But that doesn't stop me thinking that at 15, she was highly coerced into this and that should be something taken into account.
I’am sure it was taken into account but it didn’t do her any good.
She was old enough to marry as an ISIS bride and have a child (3 now is it?) don’t kid yourself at 15 she didn’t know what she was doing.
Let’s not forget she went out with 2 others of that age who later returned home having realised they had made a massive mistake but she chose to stay.
I recall the other two ISIS brides who went out with Begum were reported killed in bombing attacks. All three of Begum’s children have died.I’am sure it was taken into account but it didn’t do her any good.
She was old enough to marry as an ISIS bride and have a child (3 now is it?) don’t kid yourself at 15 she didn’t know what she was doing.
Let’s not forget she went out with 2 others of that age who later returned home having realised they had made a massive mistake but she chose to stay.
First of all I didn’t say ‘fuck her’ as you imply so that’s out of order.Look, it's no skin of my knob that she's not allowed back in the country. I can't stand the 'pity me' look she seems to have on her face every time she's on the telly. She went off, she made a decision that was more than just a mistake and she's going to have to deal with it for a long time.
But i bet if you had a 15 year old daughter who followed impressionable 'leaders' into doing something illegal or went off and joined a non-religious cult that did something terrible (PNE supporters club or something), you wouldn't be saying 'She knew what she was doing. Fuck her.'
Of her own free will she chose to go out of her way to join a movement that was renowned for carrying out the kind of crimes that were the epitome of evil which at almost any age, certainly far younger than 15, is unavoidably obvious. .If you choose to be involved in such heinous crimes you lose the right for any compassionate consideration.Look, it's no skin of my knob that she's not allowed back in the country. I can't stand the 'pity me' look she seems to have on her face every time she's on the telly. She went off, she made a decision that was more than just a mistake and she's going to have to deal with it for a long time.
But i bet if you had a 15 year old daughter who followed impressionable 'leaders' into doing something illegal or went off and joined a non-religious cult that did something terrible (PNE supporters club or something), you wouldn't be saying 'She knew what she was doing. Fuck her.'
Not getting shirty Jaffra. The 'she's made her bed' attitude is pretty prominent - and not specific to you. And it's totally understandable too when you consider some of the awful things the 'people' she ran off to be with have done in the UK and the rest of the world. But we all know that the average 15 year old's mind has that terrible contradiction of thinking it knows everything whilst knowing nothing. She's become the poster girl to hate, almost like Bin Laden and those depraved fuckers who have committed truly appalling crimes in the name of Islam and I'm not sure the hysteria truly fits the crime of the individual (not the group).First of all I didn’t say ‘fuck her’ as you imply so that’s out of order.
What I did say was the courts must have taken into account her only being 15 and it made no difference to the outcome.
So no need to get shirty.
We despise the Nazis and all who carried out crimes against humanity in their name.The same applies here.Not getting shirty Jaffra. The 'she's made her bed' attitude is pretty prominent - and not specific to you. And it's totally understandable too when you consider some of the awful things the 'people' she ran off to be with have done in the UK and the rest of the world. But we all know that the average 15 year old's mind has that terrible contradiction of thinking it knows everything whilst knowing nothing. She's become the poster girl to hate, almost like Bin Laden and those depraved fuckers who have committed truly appalling crimes in the name of Islam and I'm not sure the hysteria truly fits the crime of the individual (not the group).
That's a fair comment.Not getting shirty Jaffra. The 'she's made her bed' attitude is pretty prominent - and not specific to you. And it's totally understandable too when you consider some of the awful things the 'people' she ran off to be with have done in the UK and the rest of the world. But we all know that the average 15 year old's mind has that terrible contradiction of thinking it knows everything whilst knowing nothing. She's become the poster girl to hate, almost like Bin Laden and those depraved fuckers who have committed truly appalling crimes in the name of Islam and I'm not sure the hysteria truly fits the crime of the individual (not the group).
Aye. Don't think for one moment, that I'm supporting her. But I don't buy the simplistic view that 'of course she knew what she was doing.' There's 15 year old girls all over the world right now getting themselves into horrible and disgusting situations because they thought they knew what they were doing...I feel like I'm of the modern world, where kids are exposed to and allowed to do things that would never have been accessible to us, but to me kids are still kids with young, impressionable minds that can be nurtured but also exploited. Whether people like to hear it or not. The truth is, this girl was exploited. It doesn't excuse her or responsibility for her actions, but for me it's something that should be considered in the whole situation.That's a fair comment.
One thing Shamima Begum has never ever done is say sorry for her actions and I think that alone speaks volumes of her.
Not sure I would but I think she has every right to appeal.People know what is right and wrong from a much younger age than 15.
I take it you would allow her back into the country?
The latter.I don't remvember the timelines, but did she appeal to come home when ISIS were on the ascendancy or when it all went to shit and they were effectively defeated and on the run?
Maybe the woman from Liberty should be sent over there to join her. Yeah bet she wouldn’t like it if she came back and lived next door to her. Bloody idiot !!A woman from Liberty just been on the 6pm news saying the decision is wrong and she should be allowed to return to the UK to put across her side of the story.
Seriously how do these people sleep at night?
Just seen a pic on C4 NewsNot read a single reply, but I bet there's some crackers on this one already. Pip and Cat will be annoyed. This is double-ton material in the right hands...
Is it just me who thinks she looks like Jordan's big boy?
hope they cooked him first.Typical do gooder there was a lad I went to school with a right nosey do gooding bastad went over as a missionary to Africa and what happened ? He had only been there a week and they ate him !!