Vaccine ? No Thanks

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Looks like a very significant chunk of the U.K. Public will be saying NO to a Vaccine, if / when one becomes available, according to a recent survey. I suppose the Oxford Trial being halted (and still halted in the US) due to participants suffering "Unknown Neurological Disorders" may well compound this issue further.

Coronavirus: fifth of people likely to refuse Covid vaccine, UK survey finds | Coronavirus | The Guardian

Survey of 70,000 people finds only 49% are ‘very likely’ to get vaccine once one is available
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Looks like a very significant chunk of the U.K. Public will be saying NO to a Vaccine, if / when one becomes available, according to a recent survey. I suppose the Oxford Trial being halted (and still halted in the US) due to participants suffering "Unknown Neurological Disorders" may well compound this issue further.

Coronavirus: fifth of people likely to refuse Covid vaccine, UK survey finds | Coronavirus | The Guardian

Survey of 70,000 people finds only 49% are ‘very likely’ to get vaccine once one is available
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com
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I thought it was one person who had an adverse reaction a couple of weeks ago, which may or may not be related, and the trial has now restarted?
 
southshorepool said:
I thought it was one person who had an adverse reaction a couple of weeks ago, which may or may not be related, and the trial has now restarted?
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No, It's two...They didn't make the first one public apparently. The trial has restarted in the U.K., but has not yet been approved by the FDA, so remains on hold in the U.S.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Human trials of Oxford vaccine on hold in the US over spinal-cord disease fears

Testing the jab has since been restarted in the UK, Brazil, India and South Africa, but is still on pause in America
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I have volunteered to take place in one of the trials, but, as yet, have heard nothing from them.

I'm 72, almost 73 and have had a decent life with its usual ups and downs and this is one way I can give something back, hopefully it will not adversely affect me, but if it does, it's my choice.

I feel it is important to do my bit, so to speak, and hopefully help provide a safe vaccine for my kids and grandkids, as well as the millions of others who would benefit from it.
 
I suppose the relaunched track and trace will be an infringement on civil liberties as well.
 
Curryman said:
I have volunteered to take place in one of the trials, but, as yet, have heard nothing from them.

I'm 72, almost 73 and have had a decent life with its usual ups and downs and this is one way I can give something back, hopefully it will not adversely affect me, but if it does, it's my choice.

I feel it is important to do my bit, so to speak, and hopefully help provide a safe vaccine for my kids and grandkids, as well as the millions of others who would benefit from it.
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Great post Curryman. Respect...👍
 
Shandypants said:
I expect you declined the TB injection at school, don't bother the the MMR jab and you'd have taken your chances with smallpox?
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Is this aimed at me?

If so, I haven't declined any vaccination for myself or my children. I don't have the flu jab, but then I don't really need it TBH.


Wizaard said:
I suppose the relaunched track and trace will be an infringement on civil liberties as well.
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Do you think so? Anyone who has a mobile phone is already being tracked in any case...

I've had the independent C19 App since it was launched and report regularly...Downloaded the NHS App this morning funnily enough...Hopefully it works 👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Is this aimed at me?

If so, I haven't declined any vaccination for myself or my children. I don't have the flu jab, but then I don't really need it TBH.




Do you think so? Anyone who has a mobile phone is already being tracked in any case...

I've had the independent C19 App since it was launched and report regularly...Downloaded the NHS App this morning funnily enough...Hopefully it works 👍
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I don't think it is an infringement but there will be a sizeable chunk of the population who will be putting on Facebook that it's Government monitoring you. Oh the irony.
 
Whilst on about the new track & trace App I just listened to the news & it's still full of holes ie the people who get notifications are not legally bound to isolate, you need to turn it off when you put your phone in a locker for instance (as there may be other phones close by) also will it pick up through a wall when you are not in contact with someone. But the biggest thing I'm hearing from many people is "I'm not isolating for 14 days I can't afford to" It wouldn't have affected me as I would have got paid through the sick scheme but I appreciate many don't, but as a result of the virus I've been made redundant & have effectively retired earlier than planned, so isolation for me wouldn't be an issue, just a pain. If the government are serious they need to offer something along the lines of furlough payments to those who are asked to isolate & don't have sick schemes. I will be downloading the App & will get the vaccine when it becomes available.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Is this aimed at me?

If so, I haven't declined any vaccination for myself or my children. I don't have the flu jab, but then I don't really need it TBH. (1)




Do you think so? Anyone who has a mobile phone is already being tracked in any case... (2)

I've had the independent C19 App since it was launched and report regularly...Downloaded the NHS App this morning funnily enough...Hopefully it works 👍
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(1) It's not just about what YOU need though, is it? If you get infected, you're a liability to the rest of us several times over, not least in the (avoidable) cost of looking after you if or when you fall ill. if enough people had that attitude, we'd just add a fresh layer of self-inflicted disadvantage into the system. You know, that system that you are constantly telling us is thoroughly pernicious already.

(2) I take your point - up to a point - but it is not necessarily true. My mobile phone thinks I haven't left the house in the last six months. That's because for the time being it lives on the couch. Unlike many, I don't think it needs to come to Sainbury's with me so I can tell my partner about all the dreary minutae of daily life. And by exercising that choice I make myself much harder to monitor.
 
basilrobbie said:
(1) It's not just about what YOU need though, is it? If you get infected, you're a liability to the rest of us several times over, not least in the (avoidable) cost of looking after you if or when you fall ill. if enough people had that attitude, we'd just add a fresh layer of self-inflicted disadvantage into the system. You know, that system that you are constantly telling us is thoroughly pernicious already.
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Well clearly, it is about me...given that it's my body and therefore my choice.

Firstly, I am not at high risk of contracting flu or passing it on as my social interactions are limited. Secondly, given that (as reported today) demand for Flu Vaccinations is currently outstrippoing supply, then it is far better that those that genuinely need them, have access to them.

EDIT: In case you are unclear, the NHS infromation on Flu Vaccines and who should have them is HERE

basilrobbie said:
(2) I take your point - up to a point - but it is not necessarily true. My mobile phone thinks I haven't left the house in the last six months. That's because for the time being it lives on the couch. Unlike many, I don't think it needs to come to Sainbury's with me so I can tell my partner about all the dreary minutae of daily life. And by exercising that choice I make myself much harder to monitor.
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I wasn't really talking specifics. as you seem to acknowledge, though whether at home or at the shops, your online activity and interactions are constantly being monitored...
 
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Lytham_fy8 said:
Anti Vaccers, up there with flat earthers.
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I'm not sure it's quite the same thing, but it's a valid enough point and I think the evidence suggests that most vaccines are safe and effective. That said, I do think it's reasonable to hold concerns about the speed of development of some of the Covid Vaccines, particularly when some of them are politically motivated (Trump and Election springs to mind).
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm not sure it's quite the same thing, but it's a valid enough point and I think the evidence suggests that most vaccines are safe and effective. That said, I do think it's reasonable to hold concerns about the speed of development of some of the Covid Vaccines, particularly when some of them are politically motivated (Trump and Election springs to mind).
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Absolutely agree regarding the speed of the vaccine, I said a few months ago that there was no hope for a vaccine for at least 12 months and probably more, predictions of this Autumn/Winter were pie in the sky, it's simply not possible and especially not for a Coronavirus.
 
I haven't had a flu jab for years. Can't remember the last time i had something that was even vaguely close to real flu. I've no idea what that adds to the thread and I don't think my circumstances make much difference to anyone elses.
I also have 2 mobiles. One for home use and one for when I'm out. That way they can only trace the 2nd phone.
 
I have never had a flu jab and I've never had flu. So many people claim the latter when they've had a cold.
 
1 person. 2 people. Very small numbers. Might or might not be vaccine related. They’ve just upscaled the estimate based on the sample size vs population size, and assumed more people will have problems.
Well people are having problems right now with Covid-19 and still dying every day. Then you have the economic fallout.
If you read the full list of the side effects for any drug, you’d never take anything. Steroids are a good example. And those are just the common, known ones - there’s many more problems besides.
It’s the same with vaccines. If you read up on the possible problems with the winter flu vaccine, esp the over 65 adjuvant version, you wouldn’t take it. We’ve had the reported problems with the MMR vaccine and non take up of the vaccine which has led to the increase of measles. People have to weigh up the pros and cons, but also be socially responsible.
I’m glad they are back doing trials again and some people will soon have the vaccine offered. Of course it has to be safe, but unlike some of the other vaccines, the Oxford one was based on a pre existing and tested Coronavirus vaccine. Like any vaccine - it will be optional, not mandatory.
 
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The article I linked in the O/P suggests that only 49% of Brits are 'Very Likely' to have the vaccine, with around 20% confirming they wouldn't have it. I'm not sure how that compares to other vaccines, but it feels like there is a big credibility gap for whatever reason and that's a big issue.

There's also quite a few articles knocking about regarding the Oxford trial and how the failure of the U.S. FDA (so far at least) to reinstate the trial is perhaps undermining the vaccine and also the willingness for people to participate in the trial. Some suggesting that we need much more transparency over the nature of the 'issues' that have led to 2 suspensions so far and others who feel that this information should not be in the public domain at all.
 
Yesterday, I volunteered for the CoViD-19 vaccine trials. It's the same vaccine that was created in Russia. I received my first shot yesterday at 4pm, and I wanted to let you all know that I've had just a little soreness at the injection site but otherwise иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши.
 
Insider said:
Yesterday, I volunteered for the CoViD-19 vaccine trials. It's the same vaccine that was created in Russia. I received my first shot yesterday at 4pm, and I wanted to let you all know that I've had just a little soreness at the injection site but otherwise иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши.
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Brilliant 👍
 
No vaccine or the stupid app for me. I’m guessing all those who want the vaccine and have downloaded the app are the same idiots who voted remain. How anyone can trust a government who have spent the last few years defying the nation and trying all they can to push their own agenda is beyond me.
 
Will have vaccine when fully tested and download app when fully working. These University type people who are designing these apps,creating vaccines,issuing guidlines,running the country,opposing the Govt in power are showing their true worth. Useless.
 
todayistheday said:
Will have vaccine when fully tested and download app when fully working. These University type people who are designing these apps,creating vaccines,issuing guidlines,running the country,opposing the Govt in power are showing their true worth. Useless.
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They should let non university types develop the vaccines, how hard can it be?
 
todayistheday said:
Will have vaccine when fully tested and download app when fully working. These University type people who are designing these apps,creating vaccines,issuing guidlines,running the country,opposing the Govt in power are showing their true worth. Useless.
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Ironically Jack Nicklaus studied pharmacy at University.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Not Very!!

Just inject people with the dead virus Innit... hardly rocket science... The janitor could probably cook one up in an hour or two that would do a job.
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Lots of different ways to make them AFAIK, attenuated virus being one of them.

The Oxford vaccine is very interesting, a completely harmless monkey virus that they then genetically modify to target specific receptors, which is why they're able to create one in a matter of weeks rather than the years that it used to take.
 
Given the failed attempts at creating vaccines for other viruses, I won't hold my breath for one to emerge for Covid-19...and any of its variants. That the government's advisers seem to be pinning their hopes on one emerging seems wrong headed, particularly the tactic of attempting to suppress the disease until the vaccine is ready. It could be with us for years. We can't go on like this.

Some good news from Bristol, though. Not by way of a vaccine, but an international team led by scientists there, claim to have found a vulnerability in the virus, which can be attacked and the virus destroyed. Let's hope so.

Bristol University: 'A druggable pocket in the SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein that could be used to stop the virus from infecting human cells has been discovered by an international team of scientists led by the University of Bristol...'

September: spike-protein | News and features | University of Bristol

www.bristol.ac.uk www.bristol.ac.uk
 
why are they not licencing it if its been tested and its safe?

why is the government trying to make amendments to the Human medicines regulations to facilitate non licensed vaccines on the population?

If they say they need a high percentage of uptake for the vaccine to be effective are they going to make it mandatory? Potentially restricting non compliant persons from entering a variety of premises and services? Worse, force you to quarantine. Worse still, Take you or your children into quarantine themselves.Its all on the table with these amendments.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I was always told if you have a cold you'll lean over to pick up that tenner off the floor, if you have flu you can't.
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If you have flu you won’t get out of bed, so the chances are the tenner you can see will still be in exactly the same place when you’ve recovered enough to pick it up 👍
Aka on your bedroom floor.
 
My older brother died of whooping cough when he was a baby. The vaccine hadn't been introduced then. When it was released my mum and dad were one of the first in the queue to get me vaccinated.

I just cannot understand anyone not wanting to be vaccinated. The alternatives can be life changing.
 
Ollygon said:
My older brother died of whooping cough when he was a baby. The vaccine hadn't been introduced then. When it was released my mum and dad were one of the first in the queue to get me vaccinated.

I just cannot understand anyone not wanting to be vaccinated. The alternatives can be life changing.
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Agree with that Olly; it has to be a collective effort for the benefit of all individuals...
 
I vaguely recall queuing up in the dining hall at infants school to get the mumps and whooping cough vaccines. Obviously I wouldn't have known if my Mum & Dad got a letter seeking permission but they've never mentioned it.
 
I didn’t have the TB jab at school, and I have recently had to undergo 3 months of treatment because it was found in my blood, it wasn’t a problem but some of the side effects were quite disturbing, so if and when the vaccine is introduced, then I will be having it .
 
Ollygon said:
I just cannot understand anyone not wanting to be vaccinated. The alternatives can be life changing.
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People are very bad at judging risks.

There's a 0.0000000000001% risk that the vaccine might have a serious adverse effect and thus they don't want to have it, they can't balance that against the much higher risk of contracting the virus it protects against and the effects of that virus.
 
My mother was given the last rites, in a fever hospital, when she was 18 due to catching Diptheria, there was no vaccine for it in the early 20th century. Fortunately, for me, she recovered. Why anyone would not want to try and protect themselves I don't understand.

Smallpox wiped out, Polio, Diptheria, all but gone, whooping cough, measles on the increase due to anti vacers (spelling?) I have the flu vac every year have had the pneumonia vac and also the shingles vac, both one-offs and will have the COVID one when available. Makes no sense not to.
 
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