Blackpool South by-election poll.

Which party will you vote for?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 11 17.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 28 44.4%

  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Green

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Reform UK

    Votes: 20 31.7%
  • Total voters
    63
  • Poll closed .
foggy said:
You're saying they can't get votes out in local and by elections, of course that's worse. That's the bread and butter of third parties. Their national polling has plateaued over the last month and all evidence shows it isn't translating to votes.

They will be going up against the two party machine in the general election too. That won't change. Reform put a higher percentage of their resources in this seat than they will be able to across the country in the GE. They had Lee Anderson going about on a big bus and the leader standing with the candidate at local football game. They won't have that presence in every constituency at a general.
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It's a completely different feel to Ukip and setup, more broad approach and likely better longevity.

Ukip we're riding the wave of their main issue.

Reform have a lot more potential IMO and others.

How's it not translating to votes they've just got basically 17% and a few years back were only polling 5%, it's been steadily rising and IMO the longer the Tories leave it the worse it'll be, as they will only reach more and more people and have some big potential plays to use.

Nearly 70% of people stayed at home for this one, there's much room for growth and improvement but it'll always be tough and the goal is to finish the Tories and begin to take their place, that won't happen overnight.

What's clear is Labour will win anyway, so people may as well vote freely. They could probably win with a scarecrow standing, given peoples blind party loyalty and habits.

The Tories and maybe some voters were saying we need to vote Conservatives to keep Webb out, when he would have won anyway, so will they stick with them again or will they continue to crumble?

We'll see.
 
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Wizaard said:
Their replacement in Reform did.

Though actually, Reform isn't a party, it's a limited company owned by Nigel Farage.
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It has 4 directors i believe and it doesn't pay each candidate an annual salary like the two main parties do, which is probably why they don't have people standing in every seat
 
JJpool said:
It's a completely different feel to Ukip and setup, more broad approach and likely better longevity.

Ukip we're riding the wave of their main issue.

Reform have a lot more potential IMO and others.

How's it not translating to votes they've just got basically 17% and a few years back were only polling 5%, it's been steadily rising and IMO the longer the Tories leave it the worse it'll be, as they will only reach more and more people and have some big potential plays to use.

Nearly 70% of people stayed at home for this one, there's much room for growth and improvement but it'll always be tough and the goal is to finish the Tories and begin to take their place, that won't happen overnight.

What's clear is Labour will win anyway, so people may as well vote freely. They could probably win with a scarecrow standing, given peoples blind party loyalty and habits.

The Tories and maybe some voters were saying we need to vote Conservatives to keep Webb out, when he would have won anyway, so will they stick with them again or will they continue to crumble?

We'll see.
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I will try to explain this again, but I'm not sure how I can be clearer. Voting intention is a national average. If Reform were to get 14% of the vote across the UK in a general election tomorrow, they would logically have to get into the 20s in Blackpool South. It is a demographically friendly target seat for them. They have consistently underperformed in by elections and locals. If they are only get 17% in Blackpool, they are not going to get 14% across the UK.

The Tory vote plummeted to a massive low point and the local charity food bank owner talking to the working class 'silent majority' couldn't capture much of that at all. Labour hoovered it up. It's a dismal showing.

You honestly just sound like you can't handle the truth that Reform have been a damp squib electorally so far. Every excuse you are using doesn't add up. It was average turnout for a by election. Third parties do well at by elections. Now you are attempting to argue that somehow it's all fine that Reform can't do that but by magic they will in a General. Just sounds like a coping mechanism.
 
foggy said:
I will try to explain this again, but I'm not sure how I can be clearer. Voting intention is a national average. If Reform were to get 14% of the vote across the UK in a general election tomorrow, they would logically have to get into the 20s in Blackpool South. It is a demographically friendly target seat for them. They have consistently underperformed in by elections and locals. If they are only get 17% in Blackpool, they are not going to get 14% across the UK.

The Tory vote plummeted to a massive low point and the local charity food bank owner talking to the working class 'silent majority' couldn't capture much of that at all. Labour hoovered it up. It's a dismal showing.

You honestly just sound like you can't handle the truth that Reform have been a damp squib electorally so far. Every excuse you are using doesn't add up. It was average turnout for a by election. Third parties do well at by elections. Now you are attempting to argue that somehow it's all fine that Reform can't do that but by magic they will in a General. Just sounds like a coping mechanism.
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Reform are a protest vote because people are sick of the 2 main parties, Reform will never get in as they simply can't afford to fund proper campaigns or have paid local candidates like the 2 main parties can

If however they were to say get multi million pound donations like Labour and the Conservatives do, then maybe things will change

The biggest thing for me looking at the by elections is the low turnout, just goes to show how disenfranchised people are of politics especially being so close to a GE

As i keep saying the political landscape is fcuked and there really isn't much difference between any of them
 
Reform will get exactly zero seats in a General Election - that's all that this result tells us.

Also a recent poll of GB news viewers voting intentions had Labour as the most popular party (with something like 40%). I was surprised by that.
 
JJpool said:
It's a completely different feel to Ukip and setup, more broad approach and likely better longevity.

Ukip we're riding the wave of their main issue.

Reform have a lot more potential IMO and others.

How's it not translating to votes they've just got basically 17% and a few years back were only polling 5%, it's been steadily rising and IMO the longer the Tories leave it the worse it'll be, as they will only reach more and more people and have some big potential plays to use.

Nearly 70% of people stayed at home for this one, there's much room for growth and improvement but it'll always be tough and the goal is to finish the Tories and begin to take their place, that won't happen overnight.

What's clear is Labour will win anyway, so people may as well vote freely. They could probably win with a scarecrow standing, given peoples blind party loyalty and habits.

The Tories and maybe some voters were saying we need to vote Conservatives to keep Webb out, when he would have won anyway, so will they stick with them again or will they continue to crumble?

We'll see.
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Can we expect to see Reform fielding candidates in Oldham, Bradford, Blackburn and Leicester at the GE?
 
foggy said:
I will try to explain this again, but I'm not sure how I can be clearer. Voting intention is a national average. If Reform were to get 14% of the vote across the UK in a general election tomorrow, they would logically have to get into the 20s in Blackpool South. It is a demographically friendly target seat for them. They have consistently underperformed in by elections and locals. If they are only get 17% in Blackpool, they are not going to get 14% across the UK.

The Tory vote plummeted to a massive low point and the local charity food bank owner talking to the working class 'silent majority' couldn't capture much of that at all. Labour hoovered it up. It's a dismal showing.

You honestly just sound like you can't handle the truth that Reform have been a damp squib electorally so far. Every excuse you are using doesn't add up. It was average turnout for a by election. Third parties do well at by elections. Now you are attempting to argue that somehow it's all fine that Reform can't do that but by magic they will in a General. Just sounds like a coping mechanism.
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I really don't need your explanation, again.

We've been over this multiple times and each one you seem desperate to impart your knowledge and put me straight.

You're not listening. There was even a bloke on BBC news saying what I've said, that usually a third party would get higher but the way Reform are, they'll likely benefit more from the general election and could post similar results UK wide.

I've given you an assessment of where they are and how they might continue to grow.

I've said it'll be difficult to get seats but they can still influence things massively and for many people it's just a matter of principle.

No real change ever happens anyway so may as well go with what you believe.

17% is not a dismal showing, it's their best result and they are growing. Its you who set these targets and then when not met you've then shot them down. It's a long term goal to grow.

I've been honest from the start if you actually read, it's you who seem you can't handle someone giving their opinions and saying why there's more to come.

Why would I need a coping mechanism? What will be will be, what I said would happen happened in their %.

If anyone was coping it was you when you tried to deny then even had a manifesto and went off on a wild rant against them.
 
foggy said:
I will try to explain this again, but I'm not sure how I can be clearer. Voting intention is a national average. If Reform were to get 14% of the vote across the UK in a general election tomorrow, they would logically have to get into the 20s in Blackpool South. It is a demographically friendly target seat for them. They have consistently underperformed in by elections and locals. If they are only get 17% in Blackpool, they are not going to get 14% across the UK.

The Tory vote plummeted to a massive low point and the local charity food bank owner talking to the working class 'silent majority' couldn't capture much of that at all. Labour hoovered it up. It's a dismal showing.

You honestly just sound like you can't handle the truth that Reform have been a damp squib electorally so far. Every excuse you are using doesn't add up. It was average turnout for a by election. Third parties do well at by elections. Now you are attempting to argue that somehow it's all fine that Reform can't do that but by magic they will in a General. Just sounds like a coping mechanism.
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Precisely. The SNP has a below 2% poll when spread across the UK. But that's to completely misread their position. For Reform to make any Parliamentary impact they'll have to focus on the constituencies where their views resonate: Brexit strongholds and areas with Asian communities. Not that I am saying that is to be applauded but they do represent highly marginal and specific, Xenophobic concerns. All to the good then that the pro-Brexit demographic in Blackpool South has turned back to centre-left policies.
 
JJpool said:
I really don't need your explanation, again.

We've been over this multiple times and each one you seem desperate to impart your knowledge and put me straight.

You're not listening. There was even a bloke on BBC news saying what I've said, that usually a third party would get higher but the way Reform are, they'll likely benefit more from the general election and could post similar results UK wide.

I've given you an assessment of where they are and how they might continue to grow.

I've said it'll be difficult to get seats but they can still influence things massively and for many people it's just a matter of principle.

No real change ever happens anyway so may as well go with what you believe.

17% is not a dismal showing, it's their best result and they are growing. Its you who set these targets and then when not met you've then shot them down. It's a long term goal to grow.

I've been honest from the start if you actually read, it's you who seem you can't handle someone giving their opinions and saying why there's more to come.

Why would I need a coping mechanism? What will be will be, what I said would happen happened in their %.

If anyone was coping it was you when you tried to deny then even had a manifesto and went off on a wild rant against them.
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No it is not me who sets these targets, it's a benchmark set by other strongly performing third parties. The data doesn't lie. When compared to that, it's dismal. You're saying it's not because it's an improvement. Ok, compared to where Reform were a year ago it's better. I'm discussing them in the context of a real viable third party who could get 15% or higher in a GE. If you want to be a cheerleader and pat them on the back for doing better than what they would a year ago, you crack on.

If you have any supporting evidence for the idea that Reform will for some reason do better in a GE, I'm all ears, all I've heard so far is hopeful speculation


You're clinging on to the fact I wasnt aware they had published a manifesto three days before I made my post. I wasn't denying anything, I just wasn't aware of it's existence. And the "wild rant" includes me asking why their costings fit in a table with 8 rows. What a tremendously low bar you have for this party you want people to vote for.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Reform are a protest vote because people are sick of the 2 main parties, Reform will never get in as they simply can't afford to fund proper campaigns or have paid local candidates like the 2 main parties can

If however they were to say get multi million pound donations like Labour and the Conservatives do, then maybe things will change

The biggest thing for me looking at the by elections is the low turnout, just goes to show how disenfranchised people are of politics especially being so close to a GE

As i keep saying the political landscape is fcuked and there really isn't much difference between any of them
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Very true, but protest votes usually do well in local elections and by elections but Reform haven't, is my point.

Political disenfranchisement is happening all over the world. I'm not really sure what a realistic long term solution is to it. My first instinct is PR but is turnout in European countries any higher?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
It has 4 directors i believe and it doesn't pay each candidate an annual salary like the two main parties do, which is probably why they don't have people standing in every seat
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How much do you get as a prospective parliamentary candidate? That is news to me. As I understood it, they can claim campaigning expenses once selected, but not at this juncture when no election has been called.
 
Micky Walsh said:
Reform will be the 'protest'vote for those pissed off with the norm, but they are in the news and being talked about so for them I think their aims are being achieved.
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Exactly, some people don’t want to vote Conservative or Labour because they’re as useless as one another so they just vote Green or reform or independent.
There is no party worth voting for as demonstrated by the 32% turn out in Blackpool South
I cannot stand Starmer, he will be hopeless as PM, but the one in power is just as bad
What a f…..ing mess we are in
 
The one thing you can glean from the AVFTT poll is that it isn't especially representative of the constituency as a whole. The Angry Old Man factor, perhaps.
 
Another reporter, this time ITV, stood on the prom telling the world that Blackpool is one of the most deprived places with loads of boarded up hotels.
 
I think what we are seeing in local elections vs by elections is more and more divergence. They don't get huge turnouts but we are getting more mayors and some are proving very popular. It's quite easy for them to capitalise on anger/distrust at Westminster. I wonder if the future for renewed political engagement and optimism comes from continued devolution and mayors with more power.
 
Surprisingly for those who know me as a yoghurt knitting woke half wit (copyright wee Phil), I have some sympathy with JJ's view. I don't think they can achieve much representational success, but in the right constituency, A la George Galloway, they may well do so. Similarly, if Farage comes back from applying from his Green Card in the US with a bag full of Maga dosh, they may well be able to mount a serious campaign in a limited number of seats.

AS a democrat (uk style) I much prefer PR where any party with popular support gets represenation in Parliament, whether I agree with them or not. It is the current system forcing Labour to the centre, if they had to negotiate with the Libdems, SNP or Greens for a Government, it would be much more progressive and not so bound to the right wing media.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Surprisingly for those who know me as a yoghurt knitting woke half wit (copyright wee Phil), I have some sympathy with JJ's view. I don't think they can achieve much representational success, but in the right constituency, A la George Galloway, they may well do so. Similarly, if Farage comes back from applying from his Green Card in the US with a bag full of Maga dosh, they may well be able to mount a serious campaign in a limited number of seats.

AS a democrat (uk style) I much prefer PR where any party with popular support gets represenation in Parliament, whether I agree with them or not. It is the current system forcing Labour to the centre, if they had to negotiate with the Libdems, SNP or Greens for a Government, it would be much more progressive and not so bound to the right wing media.
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eff your pr. WE voted on it years ago.. How many govts around the world have pr. its a dogs bollocks of a mess. jimmy krankie was kept on power by power sharing. useless yusaaf . one year disaster zone.
 
JOHNMAJORTOM said:
eff your pr. WE voted on it years ago.. How many govts around the world have pr. its a dogs bollocks of a mess. jimmy krankie was kept on power by power sharing. useless yusaaf . one year disaster zone.
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It’s fair enough to say we were given the opportunity to vote on PR and rejected it.

However it’s worth noting that in Europe, only the UK and Belarus use first past the post. Great company we are keeping
 
foggy said:
No it is not me who sets these targets, it's a benchmark set by other strongly performing third parties. The data doesn't lie. When compared to that, it's dismal. You're saying it's not because it's an improvement. Ok, compared to where Reform were a year ago it's better. I'm discussing them in the context of a real viable third party who could get 15% or higher in a GE. If you want to be a cheerleader and pat them on the back for doing better than what they would a year ago, you crack on.

If you have any supporting evidence for the idea that Reform will for some reason do better in a GE, I'm all ears, all I've heard so far is hopeful speculation


You're clinging on to the fact I wasnt aware they had published a manifesto three days before I made my post. I wasn't denying anything, I just wasn't aware of it's existence. And the "wild rant" includes me asking why their costings fit in a table with 8 rows. What a tremendously low bar you have for this party you want people to vote for.
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You did, you said they must get over 20% or you won't take them seriously, or something like that. 3% off, not huge and it was a poor turnout, imo it's harder to get that brexit voter type out so by elections aren't of interest to many. A general election it's non stop media, drummed in and you can't escape it.

Anyway I'm not interested in recycling that argument over and over. You and I have both stated valid reasons why a by election isn't their strongest suit and yes it is about growth over time.

People have got to be realistic, they can't just surge from nowhere, it'll be gradual, but that'll accelerate with the coverage from a general election campaign. As for evidence, I've said many times now they aren't strong on ground campaigns and general elections are fought with far more national media coverage, helping reach far more people. You've said yourself many people still don't know who they are yet, they don't have the mindshare which makes their progress all the more interesting and with great potential of they can reach people.

Of course it might all not happen but they're going in the right direction, it may not be as fast as many people would want, but generally the Tories are going down and Reform up.

Here's a quote again from someone in Reform...

"If he comes second he said he will spend the coming months “giving Labour a bloody nose” before fighting again in the general election."

He was about a 50 vote swing from being 2nd place. The Tories gave that by election everything too, spreading false outcomes like you have to vote for us to keep Webb out, when the reality is he was winning anyway. Will people continue to stick with them?

I don't have a low bar of expectation, I don't expect anything I just follow what's happening and it would be good to shake things up. I'm realistic in that it'll take time to build up to something meaningful and that by election helps, some decent results in Sunderland etc. But it's all aimed towards the general election.
 
JOHNMAJORTOM said:
eff your pr. WE voted on it years ago.. How many govts around the world have pr. its a dogs bollocks of a mess. jimmy krankie was kept on power by power sharing. useless yusaaf . one year disaster zone.
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To play devils advocate, first past the post has deliverd the mess that we are in now, where a minority of the country can vote in a government with an 80 seat majority, disenfranchising the majority.
 
Refoam at the mouth party. two pound fifty National Front for the modern age. Gammons are us. Lee Anderson and Richard lice. tired of heatring this b......ks. you will all lose your deposits.
 
JOHNMAJORTOM said:
Refoam at the mouth party. two pound fifty National Front for the modern age. Gammons are us. Lee Anderson and Richard lice. tired of heatring this b......ks. you will all lose your deposits.
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Pulling out all the classic looney left phrases eh. It was the Lib dems and greens who lost their deposit in Blackpool.

Reform obviously live rent free in your head.
 
JJpool said:
You did, you said they must get over 20% or you won't take them seriously, or something like that. 3% off, not huge and it was a poor turnout, imo it's harder to get that brexit voter type out so by elections aren't of interest to many. A general election it's non stop media, drummed in and you can't escape it.

Anyway I'm not interested in recycling that argument over and over. You and I have both stated valid reasons why a by election isn't their strongest suit and yes it is about growth over time.

People have got to be realistic, they can't just surge from nowhere, it'll be gradual, but that'll accelerate with the coverage from a general election campaign. As for evidence, I've said many times now they aren't strong on ground campaigns and general elections are fought with far more national media coverage, helping reach far more people. You've said yourself many people still don't know who they are yet, they don't have the mindshare which makes their progress all the more interesting and with great potential of they can reach people.

Of course it might all not happen but they're going in the right direction, it may not be as fast as many people would want, but generally the Tories are going down and Reform up.

Here's a quote again from someone in Reform...

"If he comes second he said he will spend the coming months “giving Labour a bloody nose” before fighting again in the general election."

He was about a 50 vote swing from being 2nd place. The Tories gave that by election everything too, spreading false outcomes like you have to vote for us to keep Webb out, when the reality is he was winning anyway. Will people continue to stick with them?

I don't have a low bar of expectation, I don't expect anything I just follow what's happening and it would be good to shake things up. I'm realistic in that it'll take time to build up to something meaningful and that by election helps, some decent results in Sunderland etc. But it's all aimed towards the general election.
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I said if they are truly at 14% in voting intention polling, which asks how a voter would vote tomorrow - not after a campaign you are basing your hopes on - they would be getting 20%+ in Blackpool South. That's based on data and the fact BS is one of their most demographically friendly seats. All the electoral data we have shows Reform would not get 14% if an election were tomorrow.
 
foggy said:
I said if they are truly at 14% in voting intention polling, which asks how a voter would vote tomorrow - not after a campaign you are basing your hopes on - they would be getting 20%+ in Blackpool South. That's based on data and the fact BS is one of their most demographically friendly seats. All the electoral data we have shows Reform would not get 14% if an election were tomorrow.
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Well they got just shy of 17% and maybe polling 12 or 13 on average on the poll of polls.

It is what it is. Room for improvement but you can only grow by getting coverage.

Let's remember they've got where they are in the polls only mainly off word of mouth and appearances on gb news and talk TV, which apparently no one watches... 😏 The odd appearance here and there on other media.

Another thing to factor in is the postal vote, there hadn't been that much campaigning by then and main parties are well established and don't need to campaign as much to win over people who are their core fans etc. Another by election disadvantage to a new party.

According to this, the interviewer had heard Reform were ahead on the day for 2nd place, something similar I posted at the time, but that the Conservatives were likely ahead by postal votes

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I also saw this on FB, apparently told by a representative on the night...

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Apparently there were 8k postal votes, not sure if true but if so seems excessive, is there a way to check... I don't really fully trust postal votes as it is, as its open to voting fraud.
 
JJpool said:
Well they got just shy of 17% and maybe polling 12 or 13 on average on the poll of polls.

It is what it is. Room for improvement but you can only grow by getting coverage.

Let's remember they've got where they are in the polls only mainly off word of mouth and appearances on gb news and talk TV, which apparently no one watches... 😏 The odd appearance here and there on other media.

Another thing to factor in is the postal vote, there hadn't been that much campaigning by then and main parties are well established and don't need to campaign as much to win over people who are their core fans etc. Another by election disadvantage to a new party.

According to this, the interviewer had heard Reform were ahead on the day for 2nd place, something similar I posted at the time, but that the Conservatives were likely ahead by postal votes

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Reform are ‘RAPIDLY’ on the way up says Richard Tice - ‘We are the REAL opposition!’ | Reform are ‘RAPIDLY’ on the way up says Richard Tice - ‘We are the REAL opposition!’ | By GB NewsFacebook

Reform are ‘RAPIDLY’ on the way up says Richard Tice - ‘We are the REAL opposition!’
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I also saw this on FB, apparently told by a representative on the night...

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Apparently there were 8k postal votes, not sure if true but if so seems excessive, is there a way to check... I don't really fully trust postal votes as it is, as its open to voting fraud.
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So a bunch of cope littered with conspiracy theories about electoral fraud because they are sore losers

If this is how Reform take to underperforming, I can't wait to hear the hissy fits they will throw when they get 0 seats at the general.
 
JJpool said:
Well they got just shy of 17% and maybe polling 12 or 13 on average on the poll of polls.

It is what it is. Room for improvement but you can only grow by getting coverage.

Let's remember they've got where they are in the polls only mainly off word of mouth and appearances on gb news and talk TV, which apparently no one watches... 😏 The odd appearance here and there on other media.

Another thing to factor in is the postal vote, there hadn't been that much campaigning by then and main parties are well established and don't need to campaign as much to win over people who are their core fans etc. Another by election disadvantage to a new party.

According to this, the interviewer had heard Reform were ahead on the day for 2nd place, something similar I posted at the time, but that the Conservatives were likely ahead by postal votes

www.facebook.com

Reform are ‘RAPIDLY’ on the way up says Richard Tice - ‘We are the REAL opposition!’ | Reform are ‘RAPIDLY’ on the way up says Richard Tice - ‘We are the REAL opposition!’ | By GB NewsFacebook

Reform are ‘RAPIDLY’ on the way up says Richard Tice - ‘We are the REAL opposition!’
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I also saw this on FB, apparently told by a representative on the night...

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Apparently there were 8k postal votes, not sure if true but if so seems excessive, is there a way to check... I don't really fully trust postal votes as it is, as its open to voting fraud.
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Fûck me, co-opting trump lies verbatim is not going to help anyone's credibility.
 
foggy said:
So a bunch of cope littered with conspiracy theories about electoral fraud because they are sore losers

If this is how Reform take to underperforming, I can't wait to hear the hissy fits they will throw when they get 0 seats at the general.
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Where have I claimed conspiracy, it's a question to whether the postal vote numbers mentioned are right, hence I said not sure if true... Idk if these numbers are made public.

Postal voting is known to be more open to fraud, I've said that to wiz some months back on another thread. That's not me saying it's happened, that's always been my position.

How is this how Reform take coping, no one is coping, I'm not Reform, I didn't post that comment.
 
Wizaard said:
Hearts and minds?

Ironic given they target the heartless and mindless.
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Of course they do, you'd vote Labour if they put a cabbage up...mindless?

Why because some people think for themselves and want actual change in a broken country and don't trust the same 2 parties where nothing seems to change before.

Yeah mad bastards.
 
JJpool said:
Where have I claimed conspiracy, it's a question to whether the postal vote numbers mentioned are right, hence I said not sure if true... Idk if these numbers are made public.

Postal voting is known to be more open to fraud, I've said that to wiz some months back on another thread. That's not me saying it's happened, that's always been my position.

How is this how Reform take coping, no one is coping, I'm not Reform, I didn't post that comment.
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'I'm not claiming conspiracy I'm just linking to random bollocks I've seen on Facebook where other people are saying conspiracy theories while also generally to talking about how fraud does happen'

Embarrassing.
 
JJpool said:
Of course they do, you'd vote Labour if they put a cabbage up...mindless?

Why because some people think for themselves and want actual change in a broken country and don't trust the same 2 parties where nothing seems to change before.

Yeah mad bastards.
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Not at all. You have no idea who I voted for in the local elections. Round our way, the Morley Borough Independents got more councillors than Reform nationally.

I don't remember them getting any TV coverage including GB News.

The point is Reform failed at this election to get any headway. That doesn't bode well for the General Election, assuming Rishi calls one and doesn't declare some kind of National Emergency to avoid it.
 
foggy said:
'I'm not claiming conspiracy I'm just linking to random bollocks I've seen on Facebook where other people are saying conspiracy theories while also generally to talking about how fraud does happen'

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It was a discussion about postal votes on the video and I saw that comment elsewhere on a Blackpool FB page, so asked the question. Maybe I could have just asked the question without the pic. You probably still would have claimed it some coping mechanism, you see to like to talk down to people.

You haven't even attempted to answer if it's accurate, the 8k that is, which is all I asked, as I don't know if postal voting data is available.

Rather than do that you sought to jump on it and make assumptions and try and paint me into a corner when that's not what I was suggesting.

You could have said not postal voting data is here and I would have said fair enough.

It's interesting and a bit sad if half of voting is now done in proxy and yes I do believe it's open to fraud on all sides.

I don't apologise for being sceptical of things like that.

www.politicshome.com

There is widespread abuse of postal votes, this simply cannot go on

My constituents would be shocked if they knew the extent of corrupt election practices and voter fraud, if we fail to understand the magnitude...
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Wizaard said:
Not at all. You have no idea who I voted for in the local elections. Round our way, the Morley Borough Independents got more councillors than Reform nationally.

I don't remember them getting any TV coverage including GB News.

The point is Reform failed at this election to get any headway. That doesn't bode well for the General Election, assuming Rishi calls one and doesn't declare some kind of National Emergency to avoid it.
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Ahh not nice to be judged randomly eh.

I think they've done OK, could be better but from a standing start in 4 weeks personally I think it's alright. IMO there's far more potential and given many say not many know of them yet surely that's a sign there could be more growth as people learn about them and with widespread media coverage they will grow.

They don't even actually need any mps to influence the election and any anti tories should be happy they are helping wipe them out.
 
Macseasider said:
No. Labour will have a landslide victory (as you, I and everyone else knows) and they will vanish as did UKIP. 👋👋👋
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We already know they'll win, but Reform won't vanish IMO, certainly not if the Tories remain useless, hated or wiped out.
 
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