Woman "mauled" to death by dogs in Liverpool

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And guess what breed these dogs were? No. Not a Labrador or a Jack Russell. An American bulldog. And the guy had 5 at home.

"But it's not the dog it's the owner" we are told. Nah. Not having that. There bulldog type breeds simply are not meant to be pets and are a screw loose. They are continually bred to be accessories for scumbags. Authorities really need to crack down on these vile creatures.

Poor woman
 
Another horrendous attack and what a painful death this must have been - like being attacked by lions.
I once read that most dog 'bites' are committed by labradors, but that's probably because statistically there are more of that breed than most others & dog 'bites' are far different to dog maulings.
Parliament needs to get to grips with dog ownership in general (we've owned dogs), as these tragic deaths occur far too often.
Oh and on the subject of dogs, and I've honestly lost count of the number of times we've stood in dog poo (again today), when going to and from grandson's school across the local junior leagues football pitches 😝 It hides now amongst the autumn leaves!
 
There’s a good deal of truth to it not being the dog, but rather the owner. But….

These dogs do tend to attract the wrong types of owners and they can do a lot of damage compared to other breed types.
 
All dogs should be microchipped and registered.
Severe penalties for anyone not complying.
All Police and Hobby Bobbies should carry microchip scanners.
Check every dog they walk past, and the majority of problem owners will be rooted out in months.

The bulk of fault lies with the owners. Yes, some breeds are not really compatible with being normal house pets, buts it’s the dodgy owners that want these breeds. Stop the owners being able to have them and demand drops, and dodgy breeders lose the benefit of breeding them.
IMO
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
My son was attacked and had his arm punctured by a Staffy… Just walking past the dog and owner in the street.
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In my teens I was bitten on my thigh by a collie. I've never subsequently thought collies as bad dogs because they aren't. I remember Alsatians having a bad rep in the 70s. Staffies as a rule are very good natured.
 
Shandypants said:
In my teens I was bitten on my thigh by a collie. I've never subsequently thought collies as bad dogs because they aren't. I remember Alsatians having a bad rep in the 70s. Staffies as a rule are very good natured.
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There's also been a number of attacks on smaller dogs by Staffies that I'm aware of locally... In one case a Yorkshire Terrier had to be put down...

The trouble with all Bull Breeds is the strength of the bite... Plenty of dogs will snap or bite, but most will do very little damage.

Largely down to irresponsible owners, for sure, but too many people kid themselves when it comes to dogs and their 'nature'...
 
www.chroniclelive.co.uk

Police appeal after Staffordshire Bull Terrier dog attacks pet and injures owner

Police said a dog allegedly bit another dog and the victim as she attempted to intervene
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www.redditchadvertiser.co.uk

Dog and owner hurt in Staffordshire Bull Terrier attack

AN appeal has been launched after two Staffordshire Bull Terriers injured a Lurcher and its owner during an attack in Redditch.
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www.lep.co.uk

'We are traumatised,' says Chorley woman after Staffordshire Bull Terrier attacks her eight-month-old puppy Maisie

“We are traumatised…and I keep reliving it.” Those are the heart-breaking words of a Chorley woman after witnessing a Staffordshire Bull Terrier attack her “timid” eight-month-old puppy
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www.independent.co.uk

Boy, 2, suffers horrific facial injuries in attack by beloved pet dog

Romy Griffiths left with deep lacerations across his nose and face, a fractured jaw and missing teeth
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www.cornwalllive.com

Out-of-control staffie attacked two dogs and their owners

Goldie the staffie ran towards the dogs, picked one up and shook it - the attacked pet required an op
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www.thesun.co.uk

Dog owner DEFENDS Staffordshire Bull Terrier after it savaged school boy

A DOG owner today DEFENDED her pet dog after it savaged a ten-year-old boy so badly it looked like he had been attacked by a shark. John Henry Dundas screamed “I’m going to die” a…
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www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk

Blackpool dog attack sees Staffie seized by police after mauling two women and a dachshund in Bispham

A woman was hospitalised and a dachshund rushed to the vets after being mauled by a loose Staffie in Bispham yesterday (Tuesday, June 28).
www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk

www.lancs.live

Man in hospital with face and leg injuries after Staffordshire bull terrier attack

The 36-year-old man was attacked by two dogs on Fife Street in Accrington and may need surgery
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Staffids have been overbred and have become a status symbol amongst a certain group. The staffers I have had any dealings with have been great, unfortunately the last ten years or so that’s changed.
just picked up a rescue dog yesterday a shitzu, a tad snappy but she’s very nervous. Great to have a dog back in the house.
 
Goose said:
Staffids have been overbred and have become a status symbol amongst a certain group. The staffers I have had any dealings with have been great, unfortunately the last ten years or so that’s changed.
just picked up a rescue dog yesterday a shitzu, a tad snappy but she’s very nervous. Great to have a dog back in the house.
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Good luck with her 👍
 
Shandypants said:
In my teens I was bitten on my thigh by a collie. I've never subsequently thought collies as bad dogs because they aren't. I remember Alsatians having a bad rep in the 70s. Staffies as a rule are very good natured.
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I'm sure that will be very comforting to BFC's young lad.
 
Out of all breeds, and despite protestations from many, Staffordshire Bull Terriers are the most aggressive and cause the most injuries to people. The breed should be banned. End of.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
That's just a fecking disgrace but no doubt, "Our Bessie doesn't bite".

Dog owners get away with everything because they are a man's best friend etc, etc.
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Don’t get me wrong 2020, I’ve got dogs myself, so I don’t dislike them, but too many owners of dogs are idiots.

For one thing, no dog should ever be left unsupervised with small children. I’d go further and say breeds like staffy’s, pit bulls etc. shouldn’t even be kept by anyone with kids.

The trouble is though you get these people who like you say think that their particular dog “wouldn’t hurt a fly”… wrong.

Same thing applies to allowing them off lead in public areas… shouldn’t be allowed.
 
Firstly I don't own a staffie or had one. So despite staffies not being responsible for the OP it's turned into a staffie bashing thread. They were the 9th most popular dog in 2021, there are dogs banned in this country they aren't one. It's almost akin to saying all black people run around with knives, it's lazy stereotyping and total bullshit.

www.bbc.co.uk

BBC Scotland - BBC Scotland - Why are Staffies still considered aggressive or dangerous dogs?

Staffordshire Bull Terriers are thought of as dangerous, but opinions are shifting.
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I know crufts is full of violent chavs but what are they thinking letting the killer breed staffies step through the door

Staffordshire agility star crowned winner at Crufts | Crufts

Geezer and Nicola Garrett from Staffordshire won The Kennel Club Medium ABC agility competition at Crufts, after battling eight other finalists.
www.crufts.org.uk www.crufts.org.uk

Look at this cold blooded killer

www.thepawpost.co.uk

How Buddy the abandoned Staffy became a Crufts superstar - The Paw Post

Buddy the Staffy was left in a crate to die. Nicola Owst shares how she nursed him back to health and he's now a Crufts star.
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Shandypants said:
Firstly I don't own a staffie or had one. So despite staffies not being responsible for the OP it's turned into a staffie bashing thread. They were the 9th most popular dog in 2021, there are dogs banned in this country they aren't one. It's almost akin to saying all black people run around with knives, it's lazy stereotyping and total bullshit.

www.bbc.co.uk

BBC Scotland - BBC Scotland - Why are Staffies still considered aggressive or dangerous dogs?

Staffordshire Bull Terriers are thought of as dangerous, but opinions are shifting.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

I know crufts is full of violent chavs but what are they thinking letting the killer breed staffies step through the door

Staffordshire agility star crowned winner at Crufts | Crufts

Geezer and Nicola Garrett from Staffordshire won The Kennel Club Medium ABC agility competition at Crufts, after battling eight other finalists.
www.crufts.org.uk www.crufts.org.uk

Look at this cold blooded killer

www.thepawpost.co.uk

How Buddy the abandoned Staffy became a Crufts superstar - The Paw Post

Buddy the Staffy was left in a crate to die. Nicola Owst shares how she nursed him back to health and he's now a Crufts star.
www.thepawpost.co.uk www.thepawpost.co.uk
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It’s become a Staffie bashing thread largely because you’ve suggested that a breed which is responsible for numerous deaths and loads of injuries (both other dogs and humans) isn’t dangerous.

In fact you’ve tried to suggest that Collies are just as dangerous… (I don’t see many Collies on the list of fatalities)!!

Partaking in some kind of freak show like Crufts isn’t an endorsement of any breed either.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s become a Staffie bashing thread largely because you’ve suggested that a breed which is responsible for numerous deaths and loads of injuries (both other dogs and humans) isn’t dangerous.

In fact you’ve tried to suggest that Collies are just as dangerous… (I don’t see many Collies on the list of fatalities)!!

Partaking in some kind of freak show like Crufts isn’t an endorsement of any breed either.
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Because there is confusion between pitbulls and staffies. Different dogs, if staffies are so dangerous why are they not on the banned list like pitbulls? Staffies are the 9th most popular dog in the UK there must be at least 10 thousand of the killers roaming these Isles, I'd best stay indoors.
By the way I didn't say that Collies were as dangerous, I gave one example of a dog attacking me. It happens I don't blame any breed that isnt on the dangerous dig list, by the way I have a Collie cross.
Personally I'd ban huskies as pets they are meant to pull sleds 20 miles a day not sit around a house, that's a recipe for disaster.
 
Shandypants said:
Because there is confusion between pitbulls and staffies. Different dogs, if staffies are so dangerous why are they not on the banned list like pitbulls? Staffies are the 9th most popular dog in the UK there must be at least 10 thousand of the killers roaming these Isles, I'd best stay indoors.
By the way I didn't say that Collies were as dangerous, I gave one example of a dog attacking me. It happens I don't blame any breed that isnt on the dangerous dig list, by the way I have a Collie cross.
Personally I'd ban huskies as pets they are meant to pull sleds 20 miles a day not sit around a house, that's a recipe for disaster.
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There’s no confusion between them at all… (apart from the fact that Pitbulls have been blamed for a lot of Staffy Attacks) Staffies were attacking people and other dogs when I was a kid… They’ve always been dangerous.

In the last year I’ve had a Staffie run out of a pub and try to attack my dog.. As I said above, my son was also attacked by one a few years ago.

I agree they are popular and of course (like any dog) with responsible ownership and awareness (as opposed to ignorance) of the breed’s potential to cause injury then they can make proper pets.

The problem with them and other similar breeds is that a) They are often favoured by the stereotypical hard men knob head dog owners and b) They can form inappropriate relationships with owners and kids (they develop ‘guarding’ tendencies). When you combine those tendencies with the large head, bite strength and aggression, you have a potentially dangerous combination.
 
Here's my two penn'arth, for what it's worth.

There are a large number of scrotes that 'own' Staffordishire Bull Terriers', of that there is no doubt, and a large number (of the large number) who bedeck their dogs with either big thick dog collars (not the vicar type.. ), or full on leather harnesses.
There are also those who feed their dog raw meat, and go to extraordinary lengths to build up the dog's strength, including having them hang from suspended tyres to increase both jaw and neck strength.

Now, let's take the words 'Bull Terrier' out of the name, and let's call them a 'Staffordshire Dog'.
Would dropping the 'aggressive' part of the dog's breed name make them less popular with the shaven headed, tattooed hard men that seem to be unequivocally linked to them?

It is a fact that they are known as a 'Nanny' dog, due in part to them having a propensity to be protective towards their human family.

There are idiot dog owners out there, and that is a broad brush statement that covers all breeds, because most dogs have teeth, they can become aggressive when approached, or what they consider their 'territory' being encroached upon.

I have been bitten 4 times in my life (I'm now 61), and they were inflicted by dachshunds (two separate incidents), a Jack Russell (once), and a ferret on a harness being exercised outdoors.

Right......
I have either owned, or been around Staffies since 10 years of age.
I currently have a Staffy who is in the latter stages of her life.
She loves her human family, she has always been well socialised, and adores my 2 granddaughters. I also trust her 100%.......
HOWEVER...... despite my trust and knowledge of her and her breed, I would NEVER EVER leave her alone with my grandkids, because kids are kids, and don't understand that the dog they have known since they were born doesn't necessarily like being nipped, or poked in the eye, or ridden like a donkey.

All dogs are descended from being a pack animal. Staffies are no different. They need a firm but fair leader. Treat one badly, or to be aggressive for long enough and it will without a shadow of doubt respond in that manner.

Oh, and I have a shaven head, and tattoo's!!
I am also not by any means a 'hard man'.....
How I look is very stereotypical of a Staffie owner, and I do get people giving me and my dog a wide berth when out and about.
I take a great deal of pleasure speaking with people who do that, and 'hopefully' consigning that stereotypical image to the bin.
Thank you for reading.
 
The thing is @Paradiddle_01, when you get bit by a dachshund, you might come away with a bit of a scratch.

When my son was bitten (and only a quick bite by the way) by a Staffie, it punctured his arm, required stitches and caused permanent scarring.

There are frequent attacks on smaller dogs and yet you’ll still see idiots letting them run free on Stanley Park or the Mere.

The other day I was walking my dog and some stereotypical knob head came past me on a quad, with a Cane Corso (off lead) trotting a long beside him. This in an area where people walk their dogs and a park where children play …. Regardless of how well the bloke thinks his dog will behave, that is irresponsible and nothing short of stupid.

I’ve got a Border Terrier and Cavalier (which is soft as shit), but like you, I wouldn’t leave them unsupervised with a kid ever, for all the reasons you describe.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Don’t get me wrong 2020, I’ve got dogs myself, so I don’t dislike them, but too many owners of dogs are idiots.

For one thing, no dog should ever be left unsupervised with small children. I’d go further and say breeds like staffy’s, pit bulls etc. shouldn’t even be kept by anyone with kids.

The trouble is though you get these people who like you say think that their particular dog “wouldn’t hurt a fly”… wrong.

Same thing applies to allowing them off lead in public areas… shouldn’t be allowed.
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I won't pretend to be a dog man myself but I have no problem with you - or anybody else for that matter - liking dogs and my issues are with irresponsible dog owners.

Add in their failure to clean up their chit and I agree with all you say above.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The thing is @Paradiddle_01, when you get bit by a dachshund, you might come away with a bit of a scratch.

When my son was bitten (and only a quick bite by the way) by a Staffie, it punctured his arm, required stitches and caused permanent scarring.

There are frequent attacks on smaller dogs and yet you’ll still see idiots letting them run free on Stanley Park or the Mere.

The other day I was walking my dog and some stereotypical knob head came past me on a quad, with a Cane Corso (off lead) trotting a long beside him. This in an area where people walk their dogs and a park where children play …. Regardless of how well the bloke thinks his dog will behave, that is irresponsible and nothing short of stupid.

I’ve got a Border Terrier and Cavalier (which is soft as shit), but like you, I wouldn’t leave them unsupervised with a kid ever, for all the reasons you describe.
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You are totally spot on with your comments, and as a SBT owner, and I can only imagine the pain your little lad went through, and the anguish you as a family suffered due to the dog bite. That is unacceptable, no matter what the breed
I'm from a generation where you had to pay the princely sum of about 12.5 p to licence a dog!!
Can you imagine these feral scrotes with what can only be described as highly temperamental attack dogs doing that....
No, me neither.
I am frequently left speechless and more than a little bit pissed off by those nobheads, and the one's who steadfastly refuse to clean up after their pooches.....
Grrrrrrrrr, stop the world I wanna get off..!
 
My childhood pet was a Lakeland Terrier called Freddie. In the park one day, two vicious Alsatians bounded over, on the attack. My quick thinking mum who had Freddie on the lead, spun him round and round like a hammer thrower but at waist height, knocking the snarling beasts out of the way until their very surprised but apologetic owner arrived . poor Freddie was half strangled but survived!! 😂

Another time he was attacked by a black Labrador who’s female owner just stood by and watched. Eventually mum grabbed the walking stick out of her hand and started walloping it until it stopped. Poor Freddie was badly hurt that time and I’ve disliked black Labradors ever since… 🙄

I’m beginning to think actually that mum was pretty cool 😎
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
The thing is @Paradiddle_01, when you get bit by a dachshund, you might come away with a bit of a scratch.

When my son was bitten (and only a quick bite by the way) by a Staffie, it punctured his arm, required stitches and caused permanent scarring.

There are frequent attacks on smaller dogs and yet you’ll still see idiots letting them run free on Stanley Park or the Mere.

The other day I was walking my dog and some stereotypical knob head came past me on a quad, with a Cane Corso (off lead) trotting a long beside him. This in an area where people walk their dogs and a park where children play …. Regardless of how well the bloke thinks his dog will behave, that is irresponsible and nothing short of stupid.

I’ve got a Border Terrier and Cavalier (which is soft as shit), but like you, I wouldn’t leave them unsupervised with a kid ever, for all the reasons you describe.
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This is morphing into a rant about dog ownership, I get those points completely. My dogs when out are on leads 100% of the time. One of my dogs is a rescue who is petrified when other dogs are off lead, whose owners let their dog run at mine. I reckon 1% of owners have complete command of their dog and unless your dogs recall is bang on they shouldn't be off lead. My dogs are both placid but I would never leave them unsupervised with children. My complaint is the broad brush of branding staffies as dangerous and the fact they were brought into the debate when they had nowt to do with the incident in Liverpool.
 
Shandypants said:
This is morphing into a rant about dog ownership, I get those points completely. My dogs when out are on leads 100% of the time. One of my dogs is a rescue who is petrified when other dogs are off lead, whose owners let their dog run at mine. I reckon 1% of owners have complete command of their dog and unless your dogs recall is bang on they shouldn't be off lead. My dogs are both placid but I would never leave them unsupervised with children. My complaint is the broad brush of branding staffies as dangerous and the fact they were brought into the debate when they had nowt to do with the incident in Liverpool.
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Maybe it’s a matter of perspective… You can’t get away from the fact that Staffy dogs are overly represented, when it come to serious attacks and injury to people and other dogs,

They have powerful jaws and a ‘protective’ nature….

That makes them dangerous…or potentially dangerous.

To my mind, you can either choose to be mindful and respectful of those facts and behave responsibly as an owner OR you can be ignorant and irresponsible.

That doesn’t mean that people who own them need to feel that their pooches are being attacked. And I’m not suggesting they should be banned….

You mentioned Collies earlier… well they are a herding dog… they do have a natural tendency to nip.. Again you can ignore that or you can educate yourself about the breed you own.

I’m not sure that’s controversial really is it ?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Maybe it’s a matter of perspective… You can’t get away from the fact that Staffy dogs are overly represented, when it come to serious attacks and injury to people and other dogs,

They have powerful jaws and a ‘protective’ nature….

That makes them dangerous…or potentially dangerous.

To my mind, you can either choose to be mindful and respectful of those facts and behave responsibly as an owner OR you can be ignorant and irresponsible.

That doesn’t mean that people who own them need to feel that their pooches are being attacked. And I’m not suggesting they should be banned….

You mentioned Collies earlier… well they are a herding dog… they do have a natural tendency to nip.. Again you can ignore that or you can educate yourself about the breed you own.

I’m not sure that’s controversial really is it ?
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I'm fully aware of Collies tendencies as I would about any dog I would look to get. I'd have no qualms about owning a staffie, nor in my opinion should any responsible dog owner. I'm done with this subject 👍
 
Shandypants said:
I'm fully aware of Collies tendencies as I would about any dog I would look to get. I'd have no qualms about owning a staffie, nor in my opinion should any responsible dog owner. I'm done with this subject 👍
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I’m getting a Beagle in January. It was a Basset Hound originally but wanted something a little smaller, but still with the grumpy face 😆

Good with kids and will get smothered with love in my house 🥰 not just from the kids.
 
Lala said:
I’m getting a Beagle in January. It was a Basset Hound originally but wanted something a little smaller, but still with the grumpy face 😆

Good with kids and will get smothered with love in my house 🥰 not just from the kids.
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They have a tendency to be stubborn but in a fun way
 
I don’t trust staffies. Got my first dog in Liverpool, ironically, and staffies scared the life out of me. Admittedly, it’s usually their owners, but I don’t trust the breed.
 
Don't some dogs have the ability to lock their jaws and I've they get hold, it's damn near impossible to unlock it?

Some dogs by their physical strength and size (7st for a dog?) are more dangerous than others.

I have King Charles, she's impossibly submissive and has been the perfect family pet, but she's never been left with our children when they were young and I've told the kids that if their behaviour ever caused her to snap - she'd have been put down.

It stopped them winding her up.

Back to the thread; I'd ban any dog which can lock it's jaws (if that is actually true).
 
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