Players we could lose for free this summer

Udo_onwere said:
I seem to remember the same level of spite and derogatory remarks aimed at Keith Southern's ability and how we would never progress with him in the team. Made quite a few 'knowledgeable' posters look rather silly.
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I got it wrong about Vardy also, but not wrong about Turton.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Gabriel is better for me. Upon watching them. It's not peculiar at all.

It was showing the quality of a player we've had at a similar stage of trying to get out of League One. I don't care how many games Turton has played.

I'm not the manager, that's not up for me to sort out is it? If you think Turton is the answer, then enjoy a League One standard team.
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You can’t bang on about a player not being up to this standard. Then hold a comparison up that has a similar record in League One but couldn’t get on the pitch for half his career and claim you’ve proved Turton’s shite because of that. Just utter nonsense.

Mathews was 10x the play CJ is, get CJ out of the club now or league one mediocrity it is.

Then has a paddy when asked to come up with a player who’d improved us. Hahah couldn’t make it up.
 
Rektseasider said:
What’s peculiar is that sentence,

Coid was good for us in errrrr League one and Two, exactly the same level Turton is effective for us, he had 4 or so solid seasons. Then spent the rest of his career with a sick note in his hand.

Turton has barely missed a game in 8 years, the epitome of reliable which is half the battle in football.

An honest question for you, who in this Division is a better replacement for Turton?
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I think there are probably 8-10 right backs better than Turton in the division (he is about average I would say)...the key point is how many are there better at the club? I would much prefer Gabriel and Garbutt personally but I can understand why he persists with Turton and Husband. I dont hate him I just think he is a very average league one player and we can and should do better if we have ambitions to go up.

Off the top of my head Ethan Laird at MK Dons and Chris Gunther at Charlton are both way better and I am sure Hull, Pompey, Lincoln and co all have decent right backs.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
I think there are probably 8-10 right backs better than Turton in the division (he is about average I would say)...the key point is how many are there better at the club? I would much prefer Gabriel and Garbutt personally but I can understand why he persists with Turton and Husband. I dont hate him I just think he is a very average league one player and we can and should do better if we have ambitions to go up.

Off the top of my head Ethan Laird at MK Dons and Chris Gunther at Charlton are both way better and I am sure Hull, Pompey, Lincoln and co all have decent right backs.
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I agree with you he is an average League One player, and I’ve never tried to claim he’s the next coming or anything of the sort.
I just don’t get the arguments like, he’s just shit, can’t pass forward etc etc not made by yourself, I think your points are valid, but you get the drift of where I’m coming from.

All I’d say is, how many “Average League One Players” made it all the way to the Premier League with us and teams like Huddersfield, Bournemouth et al.

Agree about Garbutt over Husband, and I appreciate that Gabriel gives you far more of an attacking threat but I’d say I feel far more comfortable with Turton’s defending. Ideally you’d have both players. Not sure we can moving forward.

Turton has played the majority of the the games this season, we’re currently the 10th best defence in the league, when the other teams play their games in hand I expect that’ll move up a few places. He must be doing something right?
 
Davepick said:
The big question is, 'How long can Simon Sadler go on paying the players if the current Covid 19 restraints remain?'
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I believe Simon Sadler will have made a huge amount of money during this pandemic. Those who trade in the financial world make a killing when markets fluctuate they way they have recently. it is the average Jo who loses money on his shares when he doesn't trade at the right time. I am confident that Mr Sadler will be sitting pretty right now and will have no troubles funding our club through these unprecedented times.
 
Seasilk59 said:
When I was in football just over ten years ago strikers in League 2 who knew where the goals are we’re earning in excess of £2k per week so I have no doubts that this season players such as Madine could be in the £5k per week bracket. The reasoning behind the salary cap is to force clubs to live within their means and the consequence of this is that it will force players wages down in League 1 and 2. Players such as Madine will have no choice but to accept lower paid contracts once their current contract expires unless they can make the leap to Championship/Premier or go overseas.

As an aside, it’s my view that this rule will just increase the gap between L1 and the championship like the gap between championship and Premier that we have now and the EFL policy makers having by not included the championship have opened the door for the championship becoming premier div 2. In effect it is already.
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Madine could end up in Scotland. No salary cap there and with no transfer fee he could get more in his contract
 
So no decision till after the transfer window. Club is obviously looking at who may be available before committing to speak to our own.
 
Tangerinewookiee said:
I would Keep the following:

Ward
Shaw
Garbutt (But only if his fitness improves)
Turton (unless we sign a better alternative in Jan)
Ballard (would love to see him here again next year on loan)

Keep on a reduced wage (If they agree)

Madine (would keep but wages are the issue with salary cap)
KaiKai
Husband (only if we don't keep Garbutt)

Release

Williams (we have plenty of cover in CM)
Devitt (Who is he)
Fojtieck
Gabriel (no better that Turton)
Kemp (decent player a bit lightweight)
Woodburn (He will find his level at L1/2 but not with us)
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I see you've put some thought into that post but....Williams and Kemp are on my retain list and Kaikai isn't - sadly. That potential never really sets on fire.
 
Rektseasider said:
What’s peculiar is that sentence,

Coid was good for us in errrrr League one and Two, exactly the same level Turton is effective for us, he had 4 or so solid seasons. Then spent the rest of his career with a sick note in his hand.

Turton has barely missed a game in 8 years, the epitome of reliable which is half the battle in football.

An honest question for you, who in this Division is a better replacement for Turton?
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I agree that it's an unfair comparison. Then again, if McMahon had been financially supported enough to let Coid play in his favoured position (instead of being Mr Utility), I think he could have been a great player for us.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I agree that it's an unfair comparison. Then again, if McMahon had been financially supported enough to let Coid play in his favoured position (instead of being Mr Utility), I think he could have been a great player for us.
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Coid was a really good player in his day for us, shame about the injuries.

But aye, as you say no idea how that makes Turton terrible. 🤷‍♂️
 
Rektseasider said:
You can’t bang on about a player not being up to this standard. Then hold a comparison up that has a similar record in League One but couldn’t get on the pitch for half his career and claim you’ve proved Turton’s shite because of that. Just utter nonsense.

Mathews was 10x the play CJ is, get CJ out of the club now or league one mediocrity it is.

Then has a paddy when asked to come up with a player who’d improved us. Hahah couldn’t make it up.
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Read my posts then, you could probably learn something.

Like the other person did, read digest and then don't come back with thick replies. Unless you come back with something actually intelligent, then maybe I'll not mute you.
 
SeasideKurt said:
Read my posts then, you could probably learn something.

Like the other person did, read digest and then don't come back with thick replies. Unless you come back with something actually intelligent, then maybe I'll not mute you.
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That is a very curt response.
My thick response is that he has improved this season and is holding his place on merit at the moment, sorry you cannot see that as you are obviously blinkered
 
tangysider said:
That is a very curt response.
My thick response is that he has improved this season and is holding his place on merit at the moment, sorry you cannot see that as you are obviously blinkered
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It's Kurt. He hasn't improved, he's exactly the same. I have eyes and intelligence and clearly you don't. Read above.
 
SeasideKurt said:
It's Kurt. He hasn't improved, he's exactly the same. I have eyes and intelligence and clearly you don't. Read above.
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You have obviously been taking anger management lessons from 62yrs and counting.
No one is saying Turton is a fantastic player but my opinion is there are areas we need to improve before replacing Turton as right back.
I respect the fact you might have a different view. Lighten up!
 
tangysider said:
You have obviously been taking anger management lessons from 62yrs and counting.
No one is saying Turton is a fantastic player but my opinion is there are areas we need to improve before replacing Turton as right back.
I respect the fact you might have a different view. Lighten up!
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And no one said he was shit! Read my posts above. It's really not hard.
 
SeasideKurt said:
It's Kurt. He hasn't improved, he's exactly the same. I have eyes and intelligence and clearly you don't. Read above.
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If you need to tell people you have intelligence, you probably don’t.

You had to remind yourself of who you were at the start of this post. That’s a sign of a high intelligence if you ask me. 😂

Or was it that you just didn’t understand what curt meant!? Ha ha ha 😂😂. But as you say. Plenty of intelligence.
 
onlyonepool said:
Madine is the one I'd be looking to extend but probably depends on whether we could sneak promotion this season. He could be a focal point in the championship but we'd need to be there to match his wages due to the league one salary cap.
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Interesting that many would have off loaded last summer because he was poor for us towards the end of last season. At 31 he isn't going to improve and so worth the risk of a two year deal?
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
I think there are probably 8-10 right backs better than Turton in the division (he is about average I would say)...the key point is how many are there better at the club? I would much prefer Gabriel and Garbutt personally but I can understand why he persists with Turton and Husband. I dont hate him I just think he is a very average league one player and we can and should do better if we have ambitions to go up.

Off the top of my head Ethan Laird at MK Dons and Chris Gunther at Charlton are both way better and I am sure Hull, Pompey, Lincoln and co all have decent right backs.
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I think you’re right and I am wrong here.

Gabriel is a far superior player to Turton in pretty much every department.

Husband is surely on borrowed time as well.
 
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