Nicola Sturgeon

Curryman said:
Basilrobbie said -
I've just been watching her taking Scottish questions. Completely on top of her brief, and able to explain what they are doing and why under questioning.

If only we had someone like her in England.

Robbie, we had someone like that who was castigated at the time, has been blamed ever since her tenure for anything that goes wrong, even in today's world and probably will be by some forevermore.

Yes, Margaret Thatcher.

There's your second ton Robbie and I'm off for my shower. 🤪
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Morning Wilf. I don't know when you got so cynical about these matters. 😀

Thatcher, interestingly, was perhaps the most pro-European Prime Minister we have had in my lifetime. She put the EU under tremendous political pressure to reform ; but she knew that for the UK the key to a prosperous future was to be part of it and changing it from within.

She would have had no truck with the intellectually feeble ERG, and she would have made a compelling case for why we should be at the table fighting for our interests in Brussels, rather than shouting the odds from the periphery. Increasingly, these days, we get the politicians we deserve.
 
Good morning Robbie, it's reading this board with its us and them and never the twain shall meet kind of nonsensical viewpoints of the cynics on here, just remember that Oscar Wilde said 'The cynic is one who never sees a good quality in a man, and never fails to see a bad one.'

That one quote, to me, sums up this board at the present time a board full of cynics, so why should I be one? I would rather be called an old hack, or a proselyte than take any particular side when, in fact, I can see good in both but get tired of the continual bitching.

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Shandypants said:
I like her. She stirs up the mysogony gene and winds up the brain dead little Englanders. It's a winner for me
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The latest Times PanelBase poll shows that a referendum would produce a 52% to 48% vote for secession. And the SNP also looks set for victory in May's Scottish elections. However, last year's GERS report showed that for the financial year 2018/2019 total public spending in Scotland was £75.3 billion while money raised only reached £62.7billion. This equates to a £2000 support for every man, woman and child in Scotland.

I wonder how many Scots will be prepared to cough up £12.6 bn or £8000 each year for a family of four just to keep what they already have. Maybe an X in the indyref leave box won't seem so appealing when it comes to the crunch, especially when the electorate realises that even with the huge Westminster support Mrs S has lost control of the economy, education, health and social services. The cracks are going to grow into a gaping hole if Scotland is free from Europe, free from the UK and flying solo.
 
Just a question!
Has a certain cantankerous gentlemen raised the issue of all the bile and hatred directed at Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP and attacked the personal integrity of such posters, or is it just when it is Boris Johnson and or the conservatives that are criticised that he gets all huffy and puffy?
 
Sunday, Scotland 9628 vaccines, out of a UK wide total of 322,000 because the GP's don't work Sunday's.

On top of her brief indeed...
 
*whistles and looks up towards the heavens and away from the keepnet*
 
basilrobbie said:
Morning Wilf. I don't know when you got so cynical about these matters. 😀

Thatcher, interestingly, was perhaps the most pro-European Prime Minister we have had in my lifetime. She put the EU under tremendous political pressure to reform ; but she knew that for the UK the key to a prosperous future was to be part of it and changing it from within.

She would have had no truck with the intellectually feeble ERG, and she would have made a compelling case for why we should be at the table fighting for our interests in Brussels, rather than shouting the odds from the periphery. Increasingly, these days, we get the politicians we deserve.
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Heath, surely.
 
basilrobbie said:
Morning Wilf. I don't know when you got so cynical about these matters. 😀

Thatcher, interestingly, was perhaps the most pro-European Prime Minister we have had in my lifetime. She put the EU under tremendous political pressure to reform ; but she knew that for the UK the key to a prosperous future was to be part of it and changing it from within.

She would have had no truck with the intellectually feeble ERG, and she would have made a compelling case for why we should be at the table fighting for our interests in Brussels, rather than shouting the odds from the periphery. Increasingly, these days, we get the politicians we deserve.
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There is no reform from within when it comes to the EU. Thatcher did think the EEC could work and could be made to work, but the morphing into the EU and the introduction of QMV allowed it to become an inpositional structure on member states and the resulting problems have been observable ever since.

I have no doubt whatsoever that a reform job of the EU as it is now would have been written off by Thatcher.
 
Sturgeon trying to tough it out this morning as a committee of the Scottish parliament finds her guilty of misleading MSPs.
There is still an independent report compiled by a barrister to come out, she is clinging the hope that it will clear her name.
What a mess.
As stated before, the best chance of an independent Scotland for hundreds of years is being sabotaged before our eyes by Scottish Nationalists.
 
I'm not altogether surprised that she is resisting the findings of this Committee as it split along more or less party lines. It therefore carries as much objective weight as the verdict (say) on Trump's impeachment.

The independent enquiry is probably the one that counts. And it is a mess. The ramifications if she falls could be enormous, for all of us.

And she is still the most able politician in UK public life, by a long way.
 
basilrobbie said:
I'm not altogether surprised that she is resisting the findings of this Committee as it split along more or less party lines. It therefore carries as much objective weight as the verdict (say) on Trump's impeachment.

The independent enquiry is probably the one that counts. And it is a mess. The ramifications if she falls could be enormous, for all of us.

And she is still the most able politician in UK public life, by a long way.
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But she has made a terrible mess here.
Her wriggling in this matter, mis-remembering, contradictory accounts all points to a cover up here.
It is very cynical to use an allegation of sexual harassment to nobble a rival, which is what this increasingly looks like. It's an insult to the women who complained for a start. I think she should resign, she will probably have to leave one way or another.
 
If she deliberately lied to MSPs she should resign.

Of course that should also apply to any UK ministers who have lied to Parliament.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
Sturgeon trying to tough it out this morning as a committee of the Scottish parliament finds her guilty of misleading MSPs.
There is still an independent report compiled by a barrister to come out, she is clinging the hope that it will clear her name.
What a mess.
As stated before, the best chance of an independent Scotland for hundreds of years is being sabotaged before our eyes by Scottish Nationalists.
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Latest poll was only 51% for independence. We have seen how Brexit divided opinion and is still not accepted by some, so not sure it is a good move to have it at the centre of their manifesto or is it just a bargaining position.
She still has no authority to call for such a vote anyway
 
basilrobbie said:
And she is still the most able politician in UK public life, by a long way.
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Considering their policies are all over the place and make no sense at all for the most part....leave EU customs union = disaster, leave UK customs union four times its size in financial benefit terms = master plan : gain independence then give monetary and currency control away again to the EU....etc etc she has to be able .

I still don’t believe that the former Labour voters who now vote SNP are largely all independence supporters. The moment Labour returns to the scene in Scotland will be the end of the SNP and stuff like this will send them back to voting red.

In the end she’s a Nat and they will do anything to promote their agenda. She’s been found out here.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
But she has made a terrible mess here.
Her wriggling in this matter, mis-remembering, contradictory accounts all points to a cover up here.
It is very cynical to use an allegation of sexual harassment to nobble a rival, which is what this increasingly looks like. It's an insult to the women who complained for a start. I think she should resign, she will probably have to leave one way or another.
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I don't think anyone at the top of the SNP has covered themselves in glory here. And I certainly don't care for her politics, which as clappers says elsewhere, are based upon very dubious intellectual ground.

But I still think she is very able in lots of ways personally. A lot of civil servants would kill for Ministers with her work ethic, attention to detail and ability to marshal an argument.
 
basilrobbie said:
I don't think anyone at the top of the SNP has covered themselves in glory here. And I certainly don't care for her politics, which as clappers says elsewhere, are based upon very dubious intellectual ground.

But I still think she is very able in lots of ways personally. A lot of civil servants would kill for Ministers with her work ethic, attention to detail and ability to marshal an argument.
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She doesn't seem to have a very good memory.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I don't doubt that those are excellent qualities, well suited to high office. But then, so are morality, honesty and sincerity.
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They are indeed, and in very short supply wherever you look in the political classes. She's a long way from being the worst.
 
Here's a video about the Alex Salmond shenanigans explained by the pro-independence Craig Murray.
Just to add, he attended the first two days of the trial before being charged with contempt of court for reporting on it in his blog.
It's a bit rambling at times so recommend skipping to 5 mins 30 secs.
It's always worth listening to different points of view and you won't find much of this in the MSM.

 
Loco said:
The cult of Nicola.

Always apologising for her cock ups. There's quite a list now.
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Loco

I am not aware of anything that Sturgeon has done today so I can only put her reduced rating down to your arguments.

At 8.39am she was still the most able politician in UK public life by a long way, yet by 12.21am she was not the worst.

To think folk on here get criticised for offering opinion on football matches they didn't attend.

You couldn't make it up.
 
If this plays out badly for the SNP, as looks likely, it will be interesting to see where their votes go come May (I think it's May?)
 
basilrobbie said:
But I still think she is very able in lots of ways personally. A lot of civil servants would kill for Ministers with her work ethic, attention to detail and ability to marshal an argument.
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I'm less convinced, she gets a very easy time from the media in Scotland, claims successes as Scottish and blames failure on London, if she got the same sort of treatment that the UK government ministers got I suspect her reputation would be in tatters very quickly.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Loco

I am not aware of anything that Sturgeon has done today so I can only put her reduced rating down to your arguments.

At 8.39am she was still the most able politician in UK public life by a long way, yet by 12.21am she was not the worst.

To think folk on here get criticised for offering opinion on football matches they didn't attend.

You couldn't make it up.
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Maybe look at her government's record on things like education.
 
Loco said:
Maybe look at her government's record on things like education.
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Loco

I'm not sure you understood what I said ?

I said that for some reason Sturgeon had been downrated on here from being the most able politician in UK public life by along may to not the worst in the space of a few hours.

Given that I am not aware of anything - good or bad - that Sturgeon did during this period, I can only think that the dramatic reduction in her rating on here was down to the strength of the argument put forward by your good self.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Loco

I'm not sure you understood what I said ?

I said that for some reason Sturgeon had been downrated on here from being the most able politician in UK public life by along may to not the worst in the space of a few hours.

Given that I am not aware of anything - good or bad - that Sturgeon did during this period, I can only think that the dramatic reduction in her rating on here was down to the strength of the argument put forward by your good self.
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Yes, maybe misunderstood.
Not at my best today after being jabbed.
 
fcblackpool said:
If this plays out badly for the SNP, as looks likely, it will be interesting to see where their votes go come May (I think it's May?)
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Well if they hadn’t got Starmer in charge they would have gone to Labour in the main. He doesn’t exactly resonate man of the people and hasn’t got any prominent heavyweight Scots to send forth on his behalf in his ranks either.
 
Loco said:
Here's a video about the Alex Salmond shenanigans explained by the pro-independence Craig Murray.
Just to add, he attended the first two days of the trial before being charged with contempt of court for reporting on it in his blog.
It's a bit rambling at times so recommend skipping to 5 mins 30 secs.
It's always worth listening to different points of view and you won't find much of this in the MSM.

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Gosh, he don't half ramble!! Would love to see the meat of that debunking the allegations of misconduct by Salmond edited and taken up by the National Media. Even I had assumed he was dodgy.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Gosh, he don't half ramble!! Would love to see the meat of that debunking the allegations of misconduct by Salmond edited and taken up by the National Media. Even I had assumed he was dodgy.
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This is by no means a defence of NS but I suspect AS isn’t beyond reproach.

Acid test. Would you leave a young daughter in his company?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Gosh, he don't half ramble!! Would love to see the meat of that debunking the allegations of misconduct by Salmond edited and taken up by the National Media. Even I had assumed he was dodgy.
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You are not wrong regarding his rambling but I don't think any of us should be assuming anything.

Not doubting or confirming anything that Mr Murray says, it may be interesting or not to note that he was once accused of granting British visas to Uzbek women in exchange for sex.

That's just from reading his wiki page and I am not suggesting that he was guilty or that anything he has said relating to Salmond is true or not.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Gosh, he don't half ramble!! Would love to see the meat of that debunking the allegations of misconduct by Salmond edited and taken up by the National Media. Even I had assumed he was dodgy.
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Moss

Sorry, just reading my reply back and I probably didn't word it well.

I certainly wasn't having a pop at you and I am not doubting what Mr Murray says, I only said what I did for balance as no doubt some who side with Sturgeon might doubt what he said or certainly wouldn't want him to be judge and jury.

I probably just overdid my original response but I certainly thought what Mr Murray said was very interesting.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Moss

Sorry, just reading my reply back and I probably didn't word it well.

I certainly wasn't having a pop at you and I am not doubting what Mr Murray says, I only said what I did for balance as no doubt some who side with Sturgeon might doubt what he said or certainly wouldn't want him to be judge and jury.

I probably just overdid my original response but I certainly thought what Mr Murray said was very interesting.
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He was mainly recounting what happened in AS's trial. It wasn't particularly well reported.
Whatever you may think of AS, to continue to smear someone found not guilty of so many charges is surely wrong. Oh, and 1 not proven. No collaboratory evidence either way.
 
Loco said:
He was mainly recounting what happened in AS's trial. It wasn't particularly well reported.
Whatever you may think of AS, to continue to smear someone found not guilty of so many charges is surely wrong. Oh, and 1 not proven. No collaboratory evidence either way.
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Loco

I couldn't agree more.

I was just pointing out some facts for balance.
 
clappers said:
Well if they hadn’t got Starmer in charge they would have gone to Labour in the main. He doesn’t exactly resonate man of the people and hasn’t got any prominent heavyweight Scots to send forth on his behalf in his ranks either.
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Very true. But these are Scots, not normal people. (why aren't smilies working?)
 
Don't make this matter 'political' says the politician. F'ing disgraceful. There is no integrity in public life anymore.
 
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