Covid Blood Test Survey Results

Despite my protestations my wife still won't get the vaccine. Unfortunately her mum passed away at 50 with blood clots and she just can't get past that. And before anyone tells me stats etc I've had the vaccine.
 
Insider said:
Are you on a trial?
I've had lots of blood tests following the trial I'm on and as part of a separate survey I take part in but no one will tell me what my antibody situation is.
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Yeah, through Public Health England and the ONS, they turn up once a week and swab with a blood test every other week. It takes ages for the blood test to come back, this one is from Easter!
 
Shandypants said:
Despite my protestations my wife still won't get the vaccine. Unfortunately her mum passed away at 50 with blood clots and she just can't get past that. And before anyone tells me stats etc I've had the vaccine.
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I can understand her fear, it’s not irrational, unfortunately, although obviously she’d more than like be absolutely fine.
Still struggling to convince my girls but hey ho.
 
Shandypants said:
Despite my protestations my wife still won't get the vaccine. Unfortunately her mum passed away at 50 with blood clots and she just can't get past that. And before anyone tells me stats etc I've had the vaccine.
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I've had the AZ jab and one of the questions they asked was "do you have any family history of blood clots", answer yes and I presume they'll give you Pfizer instead.
 
Lala said:
I can understand her fear, it’s not irrational, unfortunately, although obviously she’d more than like be absolutely fine.
Still struggling to convince my girls but hey ho.
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I guess your daughters are u/40 so they won't even get the AZ jab.
 
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I guess your daughters are u/40 so they won't even get the AZ jab.
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Ye, it’s any jab that they aren’t sure of.
Not tested long enough to know implications on fertility and all that kind of questioning.
 
Lala said:
I can understand her fear, it’s not irrational, unfortunately, although obviously she’d more than like be absolutely fine.
Still struggling to convince my girls but hey ho.
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Why not suggest it's their public duty to do so? If everyone decided not to have the vaccine we'd never get out of this pandemic.
Having the vaccine or not isn't just about yourself.
 
Lala said:
Ye, it’s any jab that they aren’t sure of.
Not tested long enough to know implications on fertility and all that kind of questioning.
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Of course nobody truly knows what "might " happen in the future...we can only go by current evidence.
The planet "might" be wiped out by an asteroid or the Yellowstone Super volcano erupting for example.
Let's hope most young people decide to have the vaccine. But at the end of the day, I guess it's their own lives which will be most affected going forward if they choose not to. More so than for us older ones. Good luck with persuading them.
 
BlackpoolWolves said:
Why not suggest it's their public duty to do so? If everyone decided not to have the vaccine we'd never get out of this pandemic.
Having the vaccine or not isn't just about yourself.
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I’ve had discussions with them. But at 21 and 27 it’s their call, not mine.
 
Lost Seasider said:
I've had the AZ jab and one of the questions they asked was "do you have any family history of blood clots", answer yes and I presume they'll give you Pfizer instead.
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Shed prefer the Pfizer. I had the AZ and they didn't ask me about blood clots, that was a month ago
 
BlackpoolWolves said:
Why not suggest it's their public duty to do so? If everyone decided not to have the vaccine we'd never get out of this pandemic.
Having the vaccine or not isn't just about yourself.
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The vaccine works or it doesn't? I've had it but if the person sat next to me in a pub hasn't, so what? Surely that's their problem?
 
BlackpoolWolves said:
Why not suggest it's their public duty to do so? If everyone decided not to have the vaccine we'd never get out of this pandemic.
Having the vaccine or not isn't just about yourself.
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What a load of nonsense that is.

I’ll never understand why people who are vaccinated are concerned about those who aren’t.
 
Shandypants said:
The vaccine works or it doesn't? I've had it but if the person sat next to me in a pub hasn't, so what? Surely that's their problem?
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Not if rising cases, another lockdown etc as a result of lots of people not taking the vaccine then occurs. Not to mention NHS waiting lists for other medical issues continuing to get longer, the cost to the economy (and consequently us personally), the lack of community social harmony and a very long list of other resulting knock on effects. None of us live in our own bubble where what others do doesn't affect us In the same way, we can't visit most of the World atm because they aren't doing as well as us on the vaccine front. Neither myself or any of my immediate family have ever tested positive for coronavirus but we've all had to endure the lockdowns. Obviously this can (and probably will) happen again if not enough people take the vaccine. Nobody should be complacent and think that "it's all over now".
 
Shandypants said:
Despite my protestations my wife still won't get the vaccine. Unfortunately her mum passed away at 50 with blood clots and she just can't get past that. And before anyone tells me stats etc I've had the vaccine.
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Must have been horrific for her to lose her mum when she was young.

I think that's completely understandable; why would you put yourself at a greater risk of having blood clots when your mum died from them?

What an awful position to be in.

And on reflection, your position is just as difficult; if you persuaded her to have the jab and in the incredibly unlikely event something did happen to her, you'd never forgive yourself.

One of the best examples of the real life reasons not to risk the vaccine I've read.

I don't envy you and wish you both all the best in respects of Covid.
 
TSSeasider said:
Must have been horrific for her to lose her mum when she was young.

I think that's completely understandable; why would you put yourself at a greater risk of having blood clots when your mum died from them?

What an awful position to be in.

And on reflection, your position is just as difficult; if you persuaded her to have the jab and in the incredibly unlikely event something did happen to her, you'd never forgive yourself.

One of the best examples of the real life reasons not to risk the vaccine I've read.

I don't envy you and wish you both all the best in respects of Covid.
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But what if a loved one died in a car crash, would you never drive anywhere again?
 
Shandypants said:
The vaccine works or it doesn't? I've had it but if the person sat next to me in a pub hasn't, so what? Surely that's their problem?
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Kind of, you need enough people taking up the vaccine to create herd immunity and hopefully negate the need for future vaccines while minimising the risk of different strains making the vaccine void, as we see with the flu sometimes.

The feeling is the vaccine can be tweaked every year as the flu shot is but it's not guaranteed with a new disease.
 
Shandypants said:
Despite my protestations my wife still won't get the vaccine. Unfortunately her mum passed away at 50 with blood clots and she just can't get past that. And before anyone tells me stats etc I've had the vaccine.
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Has she spoken to her GP about getting one of the alternative jabs?
 
Shandypants said:
Shed prefer the Pfizer. I had the AZ and they didn't ask me about blood clots, that was a month ago
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I think April 7th was when they listed blood clots as a possible side effect and restricted it to under 30s, depending upon the exact timing of your dose and how long it took the NHS to update their procedures that may not be surprising.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Just tell them that's bollocks, do they apply the same scrutiny to every aspect of their lives?
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I think that's a little unfair. These are genuine concerns and a woman's fertility is a big issue in their lives. One of my best friends has worked in drug testing for 25 years and him and many of his colleagues are privately expressing concerns over the speed these drugs are being rolled out when you consider normal vaccines are tested for 10 years or more because its incredibly difficult to forecast every potential side affect a drug may have even with the massive increase in computer modelling that's become available in the same period.

It's not helpful to just tell them to crack on. Especially when the virus isn't even dangerous to 99% of the population
 
Ragnarok said:
I think that's a little unfair. These are genuine concerns and a woman's fertility is a big issue in their lives. One of my best friends has worked in drug testing for 25 years and him and many of his colleagues are privately expressing concerns over the speed these drugs are being rolled out when you consider normal vaccines are tested for 10 years or more because its incredibly difficult to forecast every potential side affect a drug may have even with the massive increase in computer modelling that's become available in the same period.

It's not helpful to just tell them to crack on. Especially when the virus isn't even dangerous to 99% of the population
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Yeah I know, a bit harsh, but my point is there's much more potential risk in daily life, so many potentially harmful pollutants, so many accidents waiting to happen etc... that to single out this vaccine seems a little overly cautious.

Similar vaccines have been around for decades with miniscule risk, there's really no reason to think this poses more, no more than worrying when jumping in your car tomorrow that someone drunk is going to hit you. I'd understand if this were the first ever vaccine but it's a massively proven area, the anti vaccine brigade have been around for a long time now with flimsy or non existent evidence.

Take the MMR vaccine and the reported risk in autism, it was a classic case of correlation not being causation, the fact autism was much more diagnosed in children since the MMR vaccine went online was coincidence (obviously the fraudulent paper in the Lancet written by Andrew Wakefield while being paid by the lawyers who were suing the manufacturers didn't help) but it stuck as a kind of background noise and leads to people now doubting any vaccine, despite absolutely no proof, none at all, after hundreds of studies by those for and against. There is no way whatsoever that the MMR vaccine causes autism any more than peanut butter does.

As a kind of general example, how many of those worrying about effects are studying every ingredient in everything they eat? Do they check all those sweeteners? I'd guess not many, so why is this fear mongering applied to vaccines?

We do know one thing, the hypothetical risk from getting the vaccine is much much much smaller than the proven risk of getting Covid, regardless of age.

Tell them that Lala.
 
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Lytham_fy8 said:
Yeah I know, a bit harsh, but my point is there's much more potential risk in daily life, so many potentially harmful pollutants, so many accidents waiting to happen etc... that to single out this vaccine seems a little overly cautious.

Similar vaccines have been around for decades with miniscule risk, there's really no reason to think this poses more, no more than worrying when jumping in your car tomorrow. I'd understand if this were the first ever vaccine but it's a massively proven area, the anti vaccine brigade have been around for a long time now with flimsy or non existent evidence.

Take the MMR vaccine and the reported risk in autism, it was a classic case of correlation not being causation, the fact autism was much more diagnosed in children since the MMR vaccine went online was coincidence (obviously the fraudulent paper in the Lancet written by Andrew Wakefield while being paid by the lawyers who were suing the manufacturers didn't help) but it stuck as a king of background noise and leads to people now doubting any vaccine.

As a kind of general example, how many of those worrying about effects are studying every ingredient in everything they eat? I'd guess not many, so why is this fear mongering applied to vaccines?
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I’ve had discussions, But at the end of the day I cannot say with 100% conviction that their fertility will absolutely not be affected.
And I can’t imagine how I would feel if I pushed them into something and there did turn out to be repercussions or consequences in the future that nobody is currently aware of.
I have to let them make their own choices and they have decided that at their age covid is a risk they are prepared to take over any unknown future fertility issues.
 
Lala said:
I’ve had discussions, But at the end of the day I cannot say with 100% conviction that their fertility will absolutely not be affected.
And I can’t imagine how I would feel if I pushed them into something and there did turn out to be repercussions or consequences in the future that nobody is currently aware of.
I have to let them make their own choices and they have decided that at their age covid is a risk they are prepared to take over any unknown future fertility issues.
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But the fertility issue isn't an issue, it's not even a theoretical issue, they might as well worry that mobile networks can effect it, after all there's no long term evidence for that but it's just ridiculous to even think it.

I know, sorry, but this shit makes me quite angry, ** idiots spreading baseless lies and yes I do include certain knobhead health professionals who should know better.

'Healthcare professional' is a very broad term, I was chatting to a consultant back in early March 2020 who was convinced that Covid would blow over quickly and be very mild, he wasn't a virologist though, so had literally about as much clue as you or I, would you want your cancer treating by a pharmacist or that toothache being looked at by a heart surgeon?
 
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Lytham_fy8 said:
But the fertility issue isn't an issue, it's not even a theoretical issue, they might as well worry that mobile networks can effect it, after all there's no long term evidence for that but it's just ridiculous to even think it.

I know, sorry, but this shit makes me quite angry, ** idiots spreading baseless lies and yes I do include certain knobhead health professionals who should know better.
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Ye I understand. At first I tried to push them, but now I guess I have to leave them to it.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
But the fertility issue isn't an issue, it's not even a theoretical issue, they might as well worry that mobile networks can effect it, after all there's no long term evidence for that but it's just ridiculous to even think it.

I know, sorry, but this shit makes me quite angry, ** idiots spreading baseless lies and yes I do include certain knobhead health professionals who should know better.

'Healthcare professional' is a very broad term, I was chatting to a consultant back in early March 2020 who was convinced that Covid would blow over quickly and be very mild, he wasn't a virologist though, so had literally about as much clue as you or I, would you want your cancer treating by a pharmacist or that toothache being looked at by a heart surgeon?
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But you're not a virologist or a pharmacist or a doctor either. You're a manager. At the end of the day people have the right to make their own decisions. Lalas daughters are both healthy and under 30 if I remember correctly. Their risk of being affected by covid is less than them being run over by a bus so based on their own assessment they are choosing not to have themselves injected with a medicine they don't need and the drug companies have been totally indemnified against causing harm by government.

I genuinely hope this all turns out to be totally wonderful but I wouldn't be surprised if this issue raises its head in a decade...would make an intriguing bookmark
 
Ragnarok said:
But you're not a virologist or a pharmacist or a doctor either. You're a manager. At the end of the day people have the right to make their own decisions. Lalas daughters are both healthy and under 30 if I remember correctly. Their risk of being affected by covid is less than them being run over by a bus so based on their own assessment they are choosing not to have themselves injected with a medicine they don't need and the drug companies have been totally indemnified against causing harm by government.

I genuinely hope this all turns out to be totally wonderful but I wouldn't be surprised if this issue raises its head in a decade...would make an intriguing bookmark
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You don't need to be a virologist or a pharmacist, you just need to sensibly look at the actual evidence, there isn't any, literally fuck all, to believe you somehow know better than the virologist is the delusion, why would anyone not trust the science? Do they think the qualified are lying?

I'm not sure people have the right to make their own decision when that decision potentially harms others. Those refusing the vaccine are just using those that do have the vaccine, it's massively selfish, all anti vaxxers are and the only reason they can make their decision is because others don't. Lala's daughters don't live in Logan's Run.

The country is borderline fucked, it's completely fucked if this goes on any longer, the only thing getting us out of all the fuckness is the vaccine so to suddenly decide you're not having it but it's ok because all those other people are is the height of bellendery.
 
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How do they know that contacting Covid won't make them infertile, there is just as much chance of that happening as long term effects are unknown. If they avoid the vaccine then pound to a pinch they will catch Covid and there is a small risk they could be very ill or develop long covid, there could also be all sorts of unknown medical issues that could follow having contracted it.

It sounds like a social media bombardment of the senses to me LaLa?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
You don't need to be a virologist or a pharmacist, you just need to sensibly look at the actual evidence, there isn't any, literally fuck all.

I'm not sure people have the right to make their own decision when that decision potentially harms others, do you?
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Lalas daughters decision has zero impact on anyone who chooses to be vaccinated. Your argument at this point is becoming ludicrous. The vaccine isn't even a real vaccine, its a medicine to stop you becoming ill or dying if you catch covid. I think they have the right to not take a medicine they clearly don't need and their refusal to do so has zero impact whatsoever on your life
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
You don't need to be a virologist or a pharmacist, you just need to sensibly look at the actual evidence, there isn't any, literally fuck all, to believe you somehow know better than the virologist is the delusion, why would anyone not trust the science? Do they think the qualified are lying?

I'm not sure people have the right to make their own decision when that decision potentially harms others. Those refusing the vaccine are just using those that do have the vaccine, it's massively selfish, all anti vaxxers are and the only reason they can make their decision is because others don't. Lala's daughters don't live in Logan's Run.
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I think the 2nd para is a bit extreme. Are you advocating people should be forcibly given the vaccine? That's not something I'd ever support.
 
hertfordseasider said:
How do they know that contacting Covid won't make them infertile, there is just as much chance of that happening as long term effects are unknown. If they avoid the vaccine then pound to a pinch they will catch Covid and there is a small risk they could be very ill or develop long covid, there could also be all sorts of unknown medical issues that could follow having contracted it.

It sounds like a social media bombardment of the senses to me LaLa?
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Really? You're going down that road? There is more risk of an under 30 being hit by a meteorite. I mean seriously, think about that for a minute... Some of you really have lost the plot lol
 
Ragnarok said:
Really? You're going down that road? There is more risk of an under 30 being hit by a meteorite. I mean seriously, think about that for a minute... Some of you really have lost the plot lol
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No, the under 30s don't live in a world entirely of under 30s.
 
Ragnarok said:
Lalas daughters decision has zero impact on anyone who chooses to be vaccinated. Your argument at this point is becoming ludicrous. The vaccine isn't even a real vaccine, its a medicine to stop you becoming ill or dying if you catch covid. I think they have the right to not take a medicine they clearly don't need and their refusal to do so has zero impact whatsoever on your life
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Exactly my point, they can only choose not to take the vaccine because others are!

The vaccine is a vaccine, it produces antibodies, that's what vaccines do, it's not a medicine, it doesn't treat the infected, you don't need to be a virologist to know that, it's in the dictionary.

noun
  1. a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
    "there is no vaccine against the virus"
 
Ragnarok said:
Really? You're going down that road? There is more risk of an under 30 being hit by a meteorite. I mean seriously, think about that for a minute... Some of you really have lost the plot lol
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I'm just trying to point out that there are such minuscule chance of getting any side effect from having the vaccine or from getting Covid. However if you don't have the vaccine you have a good chance of catching Covid and unless you have missed it 3.29 million have died from catching Covid and many more millions have been seriously ill. So if it's a choice of having or not having the vaccine, I can't see any argument why you wouldn't want to have the vaccination.

You haven't lost the plot, you never had it in the first place.
 
I know how we can resolve this...Lytham, I totally respect you so post your full name and address with a full indemnity statement that you personally guarantee no women will suffer no medical consequences from taking the vaccine, and if they do you will pay 20 thousand pounds at the end of the 20 year period This can be monitored over the next 20 years (their normal reproductive period) if you do this I will also legally agree that should there be no reported medical issues caused by the vaccine over the same period I will commit 20,000 pounds to be donated to women's charities
I'm even happy for this to be legally drawn up by Tim
 
BlackpoolWolves said:
Open your eyes and look beyond yourself. Read my reply to Shandypants if you really don't understand.
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Just read it, my eyes are fully open to all the issues you list regarding lockdowns but I hate to break this to you fellar, people who have the vaccine can still get it and spread it?

Please don’t lose sight of Chris Whitty’s comment at the start of this and then again in. May 2020, the great majority won’t be touched by this virus, a large number will have no symptoms and for 80% the symptoms will be mild.

The vulnerable have been vaccinated, do not worry about fit and healthy people.
 
Ragnarok said:
I know how we can resolve this...Lytham, I totally respect you so post your full name and address with a full indemnity statement that you personally guarantee no women will suffer no medical consequences from taking the vaccine, and if they do you will pay 20 thousand pounds at the end of the 20 year period This can be monitored over the next 20 years (their normal reproductive period) if you do this I will also legally agree that should there be no reported medical issues caused by the vaccine over the same period I will commit 20,000 pounds to be donated to women's charities
I'm even happy for this to be legally drawn up by Tim
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Are you a Nigerian General?

I withdraw anyway because this issue is a bit of a trigger and turns me in to a bit of a ranty dick.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Are you a Nigerian General?
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No, I don't have kids so other than leaving my estate to the red foundation I'm happy to sidebar 20 grand for this specific issue. My estate should be a good half a mill when I'm gone so this is peanuts

Are you in?
 
Ragnarok said:
No, I don't have kids so other than leaving my estate to the red foundation I'm happy to sidebar 20 grand for this specific issue. My estate should be a good half a mill when I'm gone so this is peanuts

Are you in?
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Am I bollocks.

I'd never heard of the Red Foundation so I googled it, it's ace 👍
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Am I bollocks.

I'd never heard of the Red Foundation so I googled it, it's ace 👍
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Cheers fella. I'm going to be spending the last third of my life fostering for them and unless anything in my life changes like majorly they will be receiving my estate...even if I should change my personal status they will still be catered for...
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
No, its just morally they should, where are their morals?
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If I was in my 20s I doubt I would have had it and I'll bet there are loads who feel like that. My son is coming up to 23 and I haven't had the conversation, he's in the forces and I haven't seen him for a few months. Knowing him as I do I doubt he'll want it.
 
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