Blood clots as prevalent with Pfizer and Moderna vaccine as with AstraZeneca's: study

JJpool

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Much higher risk of clotting from covid.

 
They will be as prevalent with any vaccine or anything intravenous, there's always a tiny risk and more with some due to chronic conditions.

It's not even a newsworthy story to be honest, the flu virus has the same blood clot risk but there was nothing about that all over the news.
 
The point being that the Astra Zenica vaccine has been paused in many countries and questioned as to the risk of it causing blood clots and yet the other 2 vaccines have not. Rather odd.Political?
Commercial. With AZ producing at cost too many other Big Pharma companies are losing out.
Political. Big Pharma has many politicians in their pocket, one way or another.
 
Link to Oxford press release.

4/1m for Pfizer, 5/1m for AZ, although the confidence intervals too wide to draw any firm conclusions (Pfizer could be up to 14/1m), personally I suspect that in reality they're both about the same.

I'm not surprised, it's likely part of the immune response rather than the vaccine directly, since they all try to provoke the same response it's logical that they all generate the same rare side effects.

Now watch the EU completely ignore this.
 
Commercial. With AZ producing at cost too many other Big Pharma companies are losing out.
Political. Big Pharma has many politicians in their pocket, one way or another.
Spot on.

And the Eu are the one of if not the worst for big business, big politics and their influence.
 
The point being that the AstraZeneca vaccine has been paused in many countries and questioned as to the risk of it causing blood clots and yet the other 2 vaccines have not. Rather odd.Political?

Link to Oxford press release.

4/1m for Pfizer, 5/1m for AZ, although the confidence intervals too wide to draw any firm conclusions (Pfizer could be up to 14/1m), personally I suspect that in reality they're both about the same.

I'm not surprised, it's likely part of the immune response rather than the vaccine directly, since they all try to provoke the same response it's logical that they all generate the same rare side effects.

Now watch the EU completely ignore this.
Yeah I said in an other thread that if and when it comes out that Pfizer and others have similar or other side affects, what then.

Denmark just recently stopped using it, so will they now apply the same caution to the Pfizer and moderna vaccine?

If they are being fair and acting out of safety they surely should do.

What a joke, the funny thing is these countries are limiting using it and will be paying much more for the Pfizer vaccine.... and it may well be very similar in rare side affects.

As you say, lost, likely just an immune response, also Covid itself is linked with clotting.

The absolute morons 🤣🙄
 
Its certainly fishy the way exactly the same results in other vaccines don't incur suspensions and criticism.
Yeah and nowhere near the scrutiny put on Pfizer (and others) now we have this study you would think the risks would be taken as seriously as they did for AZ, but then that leaves then with ZERO options for their vaccination programmes.

Watch if this is further proven, suddenly blood clots in only a handful in a million will be totally acceptable when for AZ it was worth discontinuing in some cases.
 
We get one thing right in the covid fight with the vaccination rollout and the EU retaliates any way they can. The EU are not to be trusted. It is neither democratic or working for the benefit of all member countries and its citizens. Better in or out, is there any difference we are treated with contempt either way.
 
Its certainly fishy the way exactly the same results in other vaccines don't incur suspensions and criticism.
Anyone would think determining the efficacy of vaccines should be based on medical evidence rather than political posturing.
 
This is dangerous scaremongering y some countries ' can partly understand US caution given the highly litigious nature of health care over there - now if you want to gripe about unequal and broken health care look no further
Remember the panic about MMR vaccine ,it's bollocks but not quite whatvthe agenda is and who is pushing it - big pharma possibly not not too conspiratorial for me
 
Spot on.

And the Eu are the one of if not the worst for big business, big politics and their influence.
There’s some dastardly shenanigans at foot here probably from AZ’s competitors & the EU seem to have made remainers sceptical by their crazy stance. What a total fuck up. Anyway it’s not as anyone has died ☹️
 
There’s some dastardly shenanigans at foot here probably from AZ’s competitors

Maybe, although that's a dangerous game to play when there's every chance your own product has the same risks.

Cui bono? I see Putin has Merkel & Macron eating out of his hand because of the Sputnik jab, China may benefit in similar ways and both are heavy users of this sort of information warfare, co-incidence, or something more sinister?
 
We get one thing right in the covid fight with the vaccination rollout and the EU retaliates any way they can. The EU are not to be trusted. It is neither democratic or working for the benefit of all member countries and its citizens. Better in or out, is there any difference we are treated with contempt either way.
The thing is if all vaccines have these rare side affects then there its ludicrous to choose the vaccine thats multiples more expensive than OX-AZ.

It's costing the eu nations way more for the same result as AZ, infact AZ is better in some ways, better against severe covid and hospitalisations and thats what you want. Also recently an article saying it produces a better t-cells response, which whilst antibodies are reduced drastically by different variants, t-cells are 'apparently' less affected meaning they may still deal with other variants...

The EU are cutting off their nose to spite their face by paying through that nose for the same thing.

Now, they are either stupid, bitter or have some 'arrangement' with the big pharma companies which wouldn't surprise given the way the eu seems to operate, probably all of the above.
 
There’s some dastardly shenanigans at foot here probably from AZ’s competitors & the EU seem to have made remainers sceptical by their crazy stance. What a total fuck up. Anyway it’s not as anyone has died ☹️
They have shown their true colours and the inflexibility of the block when you have to cater for many and not one, possibly pulling dirty tricks etc.

Does this change opinions though? Would it change the vote you made? Some thought they were our close friends.... they have acted at times with hostility over the vaccine in particular.
 
They have shown their true colours and the inflexibility of the block when you have to cater for many and not one, possibly pulling dirty tricks etc.

Does this change opinions though? Would it change the vote you made? Some thought they were our close friends.... they have acted at times with hostility over the vaccine in particular.
This is sheer politicking by the EU, similar to that of a marriage break up. I’ve made my decisions plain on many occasions that as a trading platform the EU provided a custom free environment which I still think we will suffer adversely for leaving. Some of their other more recent delving was not what we signed up for. You may find out in about 30 years what history has to say about it & if I’m still here I doubt if I’ll care any more.
 
I read yesterday that one African Country. ( From memory Mali) have destroyed Thousands of doses of Astra Zenica due to people hearing what the eu are saying. So, will that make the eu complicit to murder if the country suffers badly due to their actions?
 
I never particularly wanted my vaccine but joined the line 5 weeks ago anyway and got given the AZ. I've felt dreadful for 5 weeks now huge fatigue, sore throat, headaches and nausea daily. Anyone else with similar?
 
I never particularly wanted my vaccine but joined the line 5 weeks ago anyway and got given the AZ. I've felt dreadful for 5 weeks now huge fatigue, sore throat, headaches and nausea daily. Anyone else with similar?
Nope, had both mine with no effects whatsoever.
 
I never particularly wanted my vaccine but joined the line 5 weeks ago anyway and got given the AZ. I've felt dreadful for 5 weeks now huge fatigue, sore throat, headaches and nausea daily. Anyone else with similar?
Could just be really unlucky with the side effects or a coincidence. Did you have a test? Maybe you actually caught Covid and suffering with 'Long Covid!'

I haven't had mine yet but out of everyone I know who has, just my wife had a couple of days of feeling crap. To be fair though she takes 2 days off work just because she stubbed her toe so if anyone was going to suffer it was her!
 
I never particularly wanted my vaccine but joined the line 5 weeks ago anyway and got given the AZ. I've felt dreadful for 5 weeks now huge fatigue, sore throat, headaches and nausea daily. Anyone else with similar?
Those symptoms are not a reaction to the vaccine. Firstly, sore throat and nausea are not normal side effects and secondly, the vaccine reaction doesn't usually last more than three days. Go and see your doctor.
 
I never particularly wanted my vaccine but joined the line 5 weeks ago anyway and got given the AZ. I've felt dreadful for 5 weeks now huge fatigue, sore throat, headaches and nausea daily. Anyone else with similar?
Slight aching in the arm for a couple of days, that's all. Same for my wife
 
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