Innoculation news

Lala said:
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NHS given 'as many vaccines as it can cope with' - BBC News

There has been criticism that the rollout has been slower in Wales than in other parts of the UK.
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That has to be really good news, with all the people trained to jab. Seen pics of paramedics, Firefighters, as well as every type of doctor and nurse known to man. That faint glow on the horizonmight just be the light at the end of the tunnel.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
That has to be really good news, with all the people trained to jab. Seen pics of paramedics, Firefighters, as well as every type of doctor and nurse known to man. That faint glow on the horizonmight just be the light at the end of the tunnel.
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The light at the end of the tunnel turned out to be neon letters spelling E484K. Bugger.
 

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Norway has reported that 23 elderly people have died within days of taking the Pfizer vaccine, with 13 of the deaths said to be related to side effects. All those who suffered supposed side effects were nursing home patients and at least 80 years old. The Norwegian government will consider adjusting their vaccination instructions to take the patients’ health more into consideration. Besides those who died, nine suffered serious side effects including allergic reactions, strong discomfort and severe fever.

In the UK, the Government has issued guidance on potential side effects of the Pfizer jab. It advises: “These side effects usually start within a day or two of getting the vaccine. “They might feel like flu symptoms and might even affect your ability to do daily activities, but they should go away in a few days.” The symptoms include pain, swelling and redness in the arm which got the shot as well as chills, tiredness and headaches.

It looks like very old and very frail people don't always respond well to the Pfizer vaccine and doctors are being asked to consider carefully which patients to vaccinate. No similar instances have been reported to date concerning the AstraZenica vaccine.

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The really good news is that the more vaccinated the fewer tests needed, which in turn should lead to testing an increasingly smaller number more often, possibly using the quick turn round result. Obviously that should lead to more normality quicker. The elephant is those who refuse the vaccine and won't take tests. ID is the only way out of that.
 
My wife vaccinated....neighbour 2 doors down ( Nurse) vaccinated...neighbour across ( nurse) vaccinated....my melt of a nxt door neighbour who is a covid denier has also announced that they are not having the vaccine because they read about thalidomide....i'm starting to lose my patience....
 
Wizzerboy said:
If you listen to some on here Dave it's all his fault when it goes tits up.
So on the flip side surely all the plaudits should go his way when it's going well 🤷‍♂️
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How about somewhere in the middle, he gets some things right and some things wrong and although he has the final say a lot of people are involved in the decision making process.
 
I now know 6 people of a certain age who have had the Pfizer jab. One of those had a bit of a sore arm on the evening of the day of the jab but is fine now. The others had no side effects at all.

When you're over 80, the chances are you will die if you get covid badly. The minuscule risk of dying from the vaccine isn't worth considering.
 
4 million is great news.

I've no doubt whenever there is some more bad news which sadly will be inevitable then those who've gone quiet for the moment will be all over it. If there isn't bad news for them to talk about then there's nothing else for them on AVFTT.
 
20togo said:
Yep, more good news today that the roll out is now to do the over 70's.
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Would be good if they did the promised 80's first, otherwise it sounds like spin. MiL and FiL, both mid/late 80's, one with Dementia, neither been contacted. 4 million is great, but we need to do the most vulnerable first.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Would be good if they did the promised 80's first, otherwise it sounds like spin. MiL and FiL, both mid/late 80's, one with Dementia, neither been contacted. 4 million is great, but we need to do the most vulnerable first.
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I don't know where they are based but you need to follow it up. My in laws, both in their eighties have had both jabs. And c'mon, this isn't a govt problem is it? It's a local one to the area they live in surely.
 
20togo said:
I don't know where they are based but you need to follow it up. My in laws, both in their eighties have had both jabs. And c'mon, this isn't a govt problem is it? It's a local one to the area they live in surely.
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No, its spin. There are still 4 million in the over 80s, care home residents and health and care staff to be vaccinated. Let's get all them done before we move onto the next group, the over 70's.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
No, its spin. There are still 4 million in the over 80s, care home residents and health and care staff to be vaccinated. Let's get all them done before we move onto the next group, the over 70's.
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It's supposed to be a good news thread. I'd focus on chasing up what's happening with your in laws.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
No, its spin. There are still 4 million in the over 80s, care home residents and health and care staff to be vaccinated. Let's get all them done before we move onto the next group, the over 70's.
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No - you need to start the next group otherwise the number of vaccinations given daily will drop off drastically.
 
The number of innoculations dropped off over the weekend (as expected) with 50k less on Saturday and 100k less on Sunday when compared with Friday's number.

They managed 328k (both 1st and 2nd doses) - I would be hoping for that number to be close to 375k (when numbers for monday are reported later today) if the mid-February target of all over 70's and vulnerable people being offered vaccination is met.
 
20togo said:
It's supposed to be a good news thread. I'd focus on chasing up what's happening with your in laws.
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Don't waste the health care professional's time... it depends what area you live in. The official statistics given out state that more than half of all 80+ year olds have had the vaccine - that means a lot still haven't. The time to "chase it up" is when the Government announces that all/nearly all 80+ year olds have had the jab. The "4 million" figure obviously includes a lot of health care professionals and care home residents - they're not all over 80 either (but obviously very vulnerable).
 
BlackpoolWolves said:
Don't waste the health care professional's time... it depends what area you live in. The official statistics given out state that more than half of all 80+ year olds have had the vaccine - that means a lot still haven't. The time to "chase it up" is when the Government announces that all/nearly all 80+ year olds have had the jab. The "4 million" figure obviously includes a lot of health care professionals and care home residents - they're not all over 80 either (but obviously very vulnerable).
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I think that advice is for Moss, not me. It's his in laws he's concerned about.
 
bollieboy said:
The number of innoculations dropped off over the weekend (as expected) with 50k less on Saturday and 100k less on Sunday when compared with Friday's number.

They managed 328k (both 1st and 2nd doses) - I would be hoping for that number to be close to 375k (when numbers for monday are reported later today) if the mid-February target of all over 70's and vulnerable people being offered vaccination is met.
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Just over 200k even with new centres opened. Disappointing if true - lets hope that their stated data difficulties mean that the figure is under-reported.
 
BlackpoolWolves said:
Except that's complete rubbish (as you know, I think - unless you only read what you find on certain, dubious internet sites)
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New research from Israel now confirming people's fears about how this vaccination is being handled. They have found that it is only 33% effective after the first dose not the +80% as was first thought. This is worrying considering they are delaying the 2nd dose for many
 
Fargo99 said:
Finally got my 92 year old ma vaccinated at Poulton yesterday, her first jab. Organisation there was really impressive and well run.
Had to nag the arse off her surgery to get her on a list. Feel a bit sorry for the old folk who have no one to do their badgering.
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Good news Fargo.
Strange that your 92 y.o. mother has had to wait so long. I am 85 and got my first on21st December, in Poulton.
The organisation was 1sr class.
Why wasn't your mother in the very first lot to be done?
I now have to wait until late March for my 2nd, and MrsDP, who had her 1st last week, now has to wait until mid April.

However, if you've seen the news today, they are saying that the Pfizer vaccine, which was the one we had, is not as strong as they first said.
They are saying that it only gives 30% protection and the 2nd Pfizer might give less than 90%.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Sorry Benny, just noticed your post.
 
Davepick said:
Good news Fargo.
Strange that your 92 y.o. mother has had to wait so long. I am 85 and got my first on21st December, in Poulton.
The organisation was 1sr class.
Why wasn't your mother in the very first lot to be done?
I now have to wait until late March for my 2nd, and MrsDP, who had her 1st last week, now has to wait until mid April.

However, if you've seen the news today, they are saying that the Pfizer vaccine, which was the one we had, is not as strong as they first said.
They are saying that it only gives 30% protection and the 2nd Pfizer might give less than 90%.
We'll just have to wait and see.
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She's registered with Glenroyd Medical Centre in Bispham Dave. This practice is notoriously piss poor in organising anything, they missed her for her flu jab which she only got on 1 December after I created, the only reason she got on the Covid19 list for January is because they got fed up of me pestering them, particularly when my 75 year old mate with no underlying health conditions got his jab before her.
If I'd done nothing she'd still be waiting.
Hope all the over 80's nationally get mopped up by the end of the month.
 
Fargo99 said:
She's registered with Glenroyd Medical Centre in Bispham Dave. This practice is notoriously piss poor in organising anything, they missed her for her flu jab which she only got on 1 December after I created, the only reason she got on the Covid19 list for January is because they got fed up of me pestering them, particularly when my 75 year old mate with no underlying health conditions got his jab before her.
If I'd done nothing she'd still be waiting.
Hope all the over 80's nationally get mopped up by the end of the month.
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Fargo, That really seems scandalous.
I sincerely hope your Mother gets the next vaccine without any problems.
 
20togo said:
I don't know where they are based but you need to follow it up. My in laws, both in their eighties have had both jabs. And c'mon, this isn't a govt problem is it? It's a local one to the area they live in surely.
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The move to the 70s is only in those areas where the older demographic is complete. Its that demographic imbalance that allows it in some areas but not others.
 
The rather worrying news is that Israel ,the country most advanced in carrying out their national vaccine programme,has found that of the first 189,000 of those vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine injected just once 6% or over 11,000 have contracted Covid 19 within 2 weeks of being vaccinated with a protection rate of 30% to 60% reported so at a significantly lower rate than previously claimed , but with no information as to the severity of the illness of those infected.

It seems that those having received 2 jabs have a much higher protection level perhaps up to 98%.WHO have said that the second vaccination should be given within 3 to 4 weeks of the first.

Are we again blundering by delaying the second jab which concerned me as soon as the delay between the jabs was announced.

I am due to have my first Pfizer jab in 9 days and a second one in late April.

I wonder how safe will I be after my first jab? Maybe I will have to still isolate until the end of April??? OMG.
 
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The rather worrying news is that Israel ,the country most advanced with their national vaccine programme,has found that of the first 189,000 of those vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine injected just once 6% or over 11,000 have contracted Covid 19 within 2 weeks of being vaccinated with a protection rate of 30% to 60% reported so at a significantly lower rate than previously claimed , but with no information as to the severity of the illness of those infected.

It seems that those having received 2 jabs have a much higher protection level perhaps up to 98%.WHO have said that the second vaccination should be given within 3 to 4 weeks of the first.

Are we again blundering by delaying the second jab which concerned me as soon as the delay between the jabs was announced.

I am due to have my first Pfizer jab in 9 days and a second one in late April.

I wonder how safe will I be after my first jab? Maybe I will have to still isolate until the end of April??? OMG.
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The first paragraph is lazy reporting. there's NO protection within the first 12 days and this is stated at the time of vaccination and all literature provided, so people will catch Covid during the initial two weeks.

With regards the second dose, virtually every double dose vaccination in existence increases protection when the gap between is extended. It's a fairly no risk gamble.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
The first paragraph is lazy reporting. there's NO protection within the first 12 days and this is stated at the time of vaccination and all literature provided, so people will catch Covid during the initial two weeks.

With regards the second dose, virtually every double dose vaccination in existence increases protection when the gap between is extended. It's a fairly no risk gamble.
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Agree... For those who are willing to listen they state you must carry on with current restrictions and safety measures until you gain the vaccine benefits.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
The first paragraph is lazy reporting. there's NO protection within the first 12 days and this is stated at the time of vaccination and all literature provided, so people will catch Covid during the initial two weeks.

With regards the second dose, virtually every double dose vaccination in existence increases protection when the gap between is extended. It's a fairly no risk gamble.
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Thanks for your reply.I take the point as to the 12 days needed before the first vaccination takes effect but the 12 week wait before the second jab seems unresearched, speculative and maybe risky or even wrong and the WHO clearly disagree.
 
Wizaard said:
The move to the 70s is only in those areas where the older demographic is complete. Its that demographic imbalance that allows it in some areas but not others.
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But how do you solve it? I think it's reasonable to just crack on with it and get as many done as possible rather than get involved in the red tape of an over 80's not had it in one area but in another area they all have and so the over 70's has started. The system isn't perfect and as highlighted by Fargo people will get missed.
 
20togo said:
But how do you solve it? I think it's reasonable to just crack on with it and get as many done as possible rather than get involved in the red tape of an over 80's not had it in one area but in another area they all have and so the over 70's has started. The system isn't perfect and as highlighted by Fargo people will get missed.
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Yep. Use up what you've got in the right order for what's in your control. On our local news, they're getting worried in Sheffield that they'll run out by weekend. More about supplies than people shortage.
 
1950`spoolfan said:
Thanks for your reply.I take the point as to the 12 days needed before the first vaccination takes effect but the 12 week wait before the second jab seems unresearched, speculative and maybe risky or even wrong and the WHO clearly disagree.
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They're just saying there's not been any testing but it would be genuinely quite baffling if it didn't react as other 2 shots like HPV.

I agree it's a bit of an unknown but as a risk assessment it's a bit of a no brainer to delay.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
I'm still very concerned about failing to administer the second jab. If you read the British Medical Journal article about it, the decision to do that is based on very shaky logic. It might be that people who had the first jab may stop being protected if they don't have the second as per Pfizer's instructions and how it was tested. The nature of this vaccine is very different to that of the Oxford AstraZeneca one. The Pfizer vaccine efficacy reduces soon after the first jab. No testing was done leaving it longer. Assumptions were made based on frigging data and equating things to the test results of the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine. However, the nature of that vaccine is that it can stay strong for longer.

There is even some concern that giving part doses is the ideal breeding conditions for the virus to mutate. Britain has been described as a living laboratory due to this decision.
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RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
Right on cue along comes the most negative anti UK bore
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It looks like the BMA are taking their lead from the 'negative bores' on AVFTT - imploring the Government to reduce the time between Pfizer jabs from 12 to 6 weeks. Who'd have thought it? 😯
 
L’étranger said:
It looks like the BMA are taking their lead from the 'negative bores' on AVFTT - imploring the Government to reduce the time between Pfizer jabs from 12 to 6 weeks. Who'd have thought it? 😯
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Amazing isn't it. The BMA taking advice from someone who must struggle to get out of bed in a morning, such is the weight of the world he's carrying on his shoulders.
He may be correct on this issue but let's not pretend his opinion is based on any great knowledge. It's based on his negativity and his agenda based hate filled opinions. A broken clock is right twice a day.
 
Towerpower99 said:
Public health England have already been on this morning rebuffing the BMA stance....Everyone seems to have an opinion..
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This is the problem isn't it. So much conflicting advice. I've just posted on another thread that I've pretty much stopped listening and stopped believing anything. I think the deluge of information, much of it conflicting, has worn us all down to an extent.
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
This is the problem isn't it. So much conflicting advice. I've just posted on another thread that I've pretty much stopped listening and stopped believing anything. I think the deluge of information, much of it conflicting, has worn us all down to an extent.
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When I started this thread, I did say that it was a political call and a gamble to have the jabs 12 weeks apart. As of now, none of us know whether it was the right call. Come summer, let's hope it was.
 
The thing is with Scientists they do like to be heard.. Especially if they are not chosen to be at the top table (Sage) they then use whatever means/platform to have their say.... Everyone seems to be fighting to be relavent.
 
Wizaard said:
When I started this thread, I did say that it was a political call and a gamble to have the jabs 12 weeks apart. As of now, none of us know whether it was the right call. Come summer, let's hope it was.
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And if it wasn't you'll be all over it like a rash. It was a tough call to make.
 
Just to add.... Dec 23rd..Tony Blair backed by Salisbury ( in charge of vaccination until 2013) advocated giving all at risk groups 1st jab only and get as many done as possible rather than waiting to give 2nd jab.... Immediately rubbished by another Scientist.....
 
Towerpower99 said:
The thing is with Scientists they do like to be heard.. Especially if they are not chosen to be at the top table (Sage) they then use whatever means/platform to have their say.... Everyone seems to be fighting to be relavent.
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Towerpower99 said:
Just to add.... Dec 23rd..Tony Blair backed by Salisbury ( in charge of vaccination until 2013) advocated giving all at risk groups 1st jab only and get as many done as possible rather than waiting to give 2nd jab.... Immediately rubbished by another Scientist.....
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Science, by it's very nature, is uncertain. Scientists have to be able to discuss uncertainty to find consensus. It's very difficult when politicians and MSM jump on the aspects that fit their agenda before any consensus has developed. Of course, scientists will always disagree on some points. That's how scientific progress is made. By challenging what is known.
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As you say on any given point /issue both sides can line up the learnerd to back their case....it happens in Courtrooms everyday.
 
Towerpower99 said:
Public health England have already been on this morning rebuffing the BMA stance....Everyone seems to have an opinion..
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The British Medical Association is the trade union and professional body for doctors.

Public Health England is a government body.

I know which opinion I trust more when it comes to how a vaccine must be administered especially when that opinion matches the vaccine manufacturer.

If this was the right thing to do, how come no other countries are doing it?

The problems will come further down the line due to people believing they are more protected than they actually are. That applies even after they eventually have their second jab because the starting level of protection will be lower than has been tested by the manufacturer.

This is why the USA are against it - FDA explanation
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
The British Medical Association is the trade union and professional body for doctors.

Public Health England is a government body.

I know which opinion I trust more when it comes to how a vaccine must be administered especially when that opinion matches the vaccine manufacturer.

If this was the right thing to do, how come no other countries are doing it?

The problems will come further down the line due to people believing they are more protected than they actually are. That applies even after they eventually have their second jab because the starting level of protection will be lower than has been tested by the manufacturer.

This is why the USA are against it - FDA explanation
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And I know who's opinion I don't trust. The self appointed experts on here. How's the weight of the world bearing down on you today?
 
bollieboy said:
No - you need to start the next group otherwise the number of vaccinations given daily will drop off drastically.
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Agreed. They cannot just focus on cleaning up the whole of one category before moving onto the next. Keeping up the vaccination rate to above 200k/day is crucial. And hopefully higher, now we have hit 300k.
 
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