Summer clear out

Tangerine_Dream

Tangerine_Dream

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I think one thing this season has taught us is that we're carrying a fair few passengers that aren't good enough - management team included.

For me, a summer clear out is needed and in my opinion all of the following should leave -

Critchley and dumb and dumber.

Connolly, Husband.

Carey, Virtue, Hamilton (giving him a new contract is one of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen).

Beesley.

Obviously the loans will return.

The remainder of players I do think could play a part with the correct setup and coaching - one thing that's been missing all season.

Big summer ahead for Sadler.

I'm not a fan of only looking at managers who have played for us in the past etc but regardless of whether Wellens did, or didn't, I think he has to be the standout choice. Would he take it? I think so.
 
Tangerine_Dream said:
I think one thing this season has taught us is that we're carrying a fair few passengers that aren't good enough - management team included.

For me, a summer clear out is needed and in my opinion all of the following should leave -

Critchley and dumb and dumber.

Connolly, Husband.

Carey, Virtue, Hamilton (giving him a new contract is one of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen).

Beesley.

Obviously the loans will return.

The remainder of players I do think could play a part with the correct setup and coaching - one thing that's been missing all season.

Big summer ahead for Sadler.

I'm not a fan of only looking at managers who have played for us in the past etc but regardless of whether Wellens did, or didn't, I think he has to be the standout choice. Would he take it? I think so.
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Unpopular opinion but I’d add lavery to this list. Far too lightweight for this league. Let’s not even talk about his injury record.
 
DobbiesTangerineArmy said:
Unpopular opinion but I’d add lavery to this list. Far too lightweight for this league. Let’s not even talk about his injury record.
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I like Lavery, but whoever handed out his hamstrings was the same bas who handed out my back. It’s not up to the job! He’s had the same problem since he was at Everton. Nice guy and all that, but he’s out for ages, then rusty, then he gets a couple, then twang.
 
Hockaday’s Quiff said:
I like Lavery, but whoever handed out his hamstrings was the same bas who handed out my back. It’s not up to the job! He’s had the same problem since he was at Everton. Nice guy and all that, but he’s out for ages, then rusty, then he gets a couple, then twang.
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Yep agreed he’s never been the same for us after all those injuries. Every time he does find some consistency he’s injured. Needs to be moved on we need a full fit squad we can’t afford to be nursing players.
 
If we don’t get rid of Critchley sadly all these players listed above will be staying next season as he clearly thinks they are good enough playing them week in week out.

After all at least 2 of them are his love child’s so they are going nowhere.
 
Tangerine_Dream said:
I think one thing this season has taught us is that we're carrying a fair few passengers that aren't good enough - management team included.

For me, a summer clear out is needed and in my opinion all of the following should leave -

Critchley and dumb and dumber.

Connolly, Husband.

Carey, Virtue, Hamilton (giving him a new contract is one of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen).

Beesley.

Obviously the loans will return.

The remainder of players I do think could play a part with the correct setup and coaching - one thing that's been missing all season.

Big summer ahead for Sadler.

I'm not a fan of only looking at managers who have played for us in the past etc but regardless of whether Wellens did, or didn't, I think he has to be the standout choice. Would he take it? I think so.
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Tangerine_Dream said:
I think one thing this season has taught us is that we're carrying a fair few passengers that aren't good enough - management team included.

For me, a summer clear out is needed and in my opinion all of the following should leave -

Critchley and dumb and dumber.

Connolly, Husband.

Carey, Virtue, Hamilton (giving him a new contract is one of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen).

Beesley.

Obviously the loans will return.

The remainder of players I do think could play a part with the correct setup and coaching - one thing that's been missing all season.

Big summer ahead for Sadler.

I'm not a fan of only looking at managers who have played for us in the past etc but regardless of whether Wellens did, or didn't, I think he has to be the standout choice. Would he take it? I think so.
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Tangerine_Dream said:
I think one thing this season has taught us is that we're carrying a fair few passengers that aren't good enough - management team included.

For me, a summer clear out is needed and in my opinion all of the following should leave -

Critchley and dumb and dumber.

Connolly, Husband.

Carey, Virtue, Hamilton (giving him a new contract is one of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen).

Beesley.

Obviously the loans will return.

The remainder of players I do think could play a part with the correct setup and coaching - one thing that's been missing all season.

Big summer ahead for Sadler.

I'm not a fan of only looking at managers who have played for us in the past etc but regardless of whether Wellens did, or didn't, I think he has to be the standout choice. Would he take it? I think so.
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Don’t agree about Husband. Aside from the odd game he has been one of our best players this season. Connolly is poor.

We need a new first choice keeper imo. Midfield needs a complete rebuild with as you say with Carey and Virtue not up to it and Norburn slows the game down too much.

Beesley and Lavery are both struggling to score at this level and time to ditch them unfortunately. CJ may still have a role but not in a 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1 formation. Apter should have a big part to play.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Don’t agree about Husband. Aside from the odd game he has been one of our best players this season. Connolly is poor.

We need a new first choice keeper imo. Midfield needs a complete rebuild with as you say with Carey and Virtue not up to it and Norburn slows the game down too much.

Beesley and Lavery are both struggling to score at this level and time to ditch them unfortunately. CJ may still have a role but not in a 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1 formation. Apter should have a big part to play.
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Grimshaw is probably one of the better keepers at this level, the only reason I'd be selling him is if we received a good offer. The issue with that is we haven't really seen the money reinvested recently.
 
one of our players.Rob Apter surely could get in this team,club just gave him a contract till 2027,then send i’m out on loan again.Why?
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Don’t agree about Husband. Aside from the odd game he has been one of our best players this season. Connolly is poor.

We need a new first choice keeper imo. Midfield needs a complete rebuild with as you say with Carey and Virtue not up to it and Norburn slows the game down too much.

Beesley and Lavery are both struggling to score at this level and time to ditch them unfortunately. CJ may still have a role but not in a 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1 formation. Apter should have a big part to play.
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I'd say he has been very poor for 2-3 months after a brilliant start to the season.
 
Tangerine_Dream said:
I think one thing this season has taught us is that we're carrying a fair few passengers that aren't good enough - management team included.

For me, a summer clear out is needed and in my opinion all of the following should leave -

Critchley and dumb and dumber.

Connolly, Husband.

Carey, Virtue, Hamilton (giving him a new contract is one of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen).

Beesley.

Obviously the loans will return.

The remainder of players I do think could play a part with the correct setup and coaching - one thing that's been missing all season.

Big summer ahead for Sadler.

I'm not a fan of only looking at managers who have played for us in the past etc but regardless of whether Wellens did, or didn't, I think he has to be the standout choice. Would he take it? I think so.
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Can’t argue with any of that and would also add Lavery to the list as others have said
 
I'd only want Marv and Lavery to stay but wouldn't be overly fussed if all moved on. Then again if the replacements are the same standard as Coulson, we'll be bottom half next season.
 
Hopefully we won't be relegated.
However, I see a massive clear-out at the end of the season.
That includes all the management team.
 
Led to believe from on here that Marvin & Lavery won’t be signing new contracts?
Basically the majority of a spine of a team will be required.
Personally I’d listen to offers for both Norburn & Morgan, same with Hamilton.
First & foremost either new manager or additions / replacements to the coaching set up needed (actual ex footballers)
 
tangerinespud said:
Led to believe from on here that Marvin & Lavery won’t be signing new contracts?
Basically the majority of a spine of a team will be required.
Personally I’d listen to offers for both Norburn & Morgan, same with Hamilton.
First & foremost either new manager or additions / replacements to the coaching set up needed (actual ex footballers)
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I'd get a new manager and see then about who to let go and revisit who isn't going to sign a new contract. Obviously Connolly and Virtue don't enter into any discussion.
 
Tangerine_Dream said:
I think one thing this season has taught us is that we're carrying a fair few passengers that aren't good enough - management team included.

For me, a summer clear out is needed and in my opinion all of the following should leave -

Critchley and dumb and dumber.

Connolly, Husband.

Carey, Virtue, Hamilton (giving him a new contract is one of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen).

Beesley.

Obviously the loans will return.

The remainder of players I do think could play a part with the correct setup and coaching - one thing that's been missing all season.

Big summer ahead for Sadler.

I'm not a fan of only looking at managers who have played for us in the past etc but regardless of whether Wellens did, or didn't, I think he has to be the standout choice. Would he take it? I think so.
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One of the most deluded posts I've ever read, Critchley needs to go and we need to retain all the players we have, do one.
 
9 players need to go:-
Keeper
Connolly
Husband
Virtue
Lavery
Norburn
Beesley
Ekpiteta
Carey
This may sound drastic but after watching Peterborough its clear we need to improve our quality.
 
FLATBACKFOR said:
9 players need to go:-
Keeper
Connolly
Husband
Virtue
Lavery
Norburn
Beesley
Ekpiteta
Carey
This may sound drastic but after watching Peterborough its clear we need to improve our quality.
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Keeper is doing fine for a back up and I'd keep Eki. Sadly don't think Kouassi will make it and Lyons is not the impact player we wanted.
 
bill40 said:
One of the most deluded posts I've ever read, Critchley needs to go and we need to retain all the players we have, do one.
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Retain all the players we have? Sorry but you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to football if you think Virtue amongst others should be retained.
 
I know we played badly Wednesday but getting rid of half the squad isn't the answer, plus players that have signed new contracts/or signed last summer aren't going anywhere. Realistically we need to get rid of 4/5 players and replace them with improved quality and some experience. This should happen naturally as a few are out of contract anyway plus a couple won't sign new deals.
 
Joey_Rex said:
I know we played badly Wednesday but getting rid of half the squad isn't the answer, plus players that have signed new contracts/or signed last summer aren't going anywhere. Realistically we need to get rid of 4/5 players and replace them with improved quality and some experience. This should happen naturally as a few are out of contract anyway plus a couple won't sign new deals.
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That’s the thing, I don’t think we played badly, we were just completely outplayed by a team with far better players.

What can you do, we’ve all played against better players/teams, you can try your best but most of the time if your not as good as the opposition your getting beat.

With this team we need to lower our expectations.

Mid table at best and that’s not having a go at the players, for me they do their best.

Recruitment is the main problem, bring in 4 or 5 real quality players and we might have a chance of playoff’s next season.
 
no9 said:
That’s the thing, I don’t think we played badly, we were just completely outplayed by a team with far better players.

What can you do, we’ve all played against better players/teams, you can try your best but most of the time if your not as good as the opposition your getting beat.

With this team we need to lower our expectations.

Mid table at best and that’s not having a go at the players, for me they do their best.

Recruitment is the main problem, bring in 4 or 5 real quality players and we might have a chance of playoff’s next season.
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Getting outplayed is one thing. Connolly trying his best to get sent off, Husband hoofing the ball into touch for 90+ minutes Virtue huffing and puffing about like an asthmatic pensioner etc etc. That is nothing to do with being outplayed, nor is it doing their best. It’s lack of skill and effort. Husband used to be one of our better players but he has now become a liability and along with 3/4 others needs to go.
 
Connolly shouldn’t be playing centre half, we all know that and Husband had very few options on the night.

Completely outplayed all over the park by a team with better players who were on their game.
 
There does need to be a clear out of sorts, Rhodes and Dembele are both loanees so will go anyway, I don't think we've got a prayer of getting Dembele back again but if Rhodes would come at the right price, wage wise as I think he's out of contract, he would be worth a punt for a season (or two).
I'd like us to try and hang on to Marv, he's still one of the best defenders we have.
Connolly, Virtue, Carey, Lavery and Beesley can go for me, sadly I think Husband can probably be added to that list, although I wouldn't be broken hearted if we offered him another 12 months.

I can't see Grimshaw, Norburn, Casey, Pennington, Morgan, Kouassi, Joseph or CJ going anywhere, unless we were to get a silly offer.

If Dembele does go, would this open up a space for Apter, or have we just completely given up trying to develop our own players?

However, the most telling thing will be if Critchley is still here. At this moment in time and even if we finish 8th, 9th or 10th, I don't see Sadler pulling the trigger.
 
Tangerine_Dream said:
I think one thing this season has taught us is that we're carrying a fair few passengers that aren't good enough - management team included.

For me, a summer clear out is needed and in my opinion all of the following should leave -

Critchley and dumb and dumber.

Connolly, Husband.

Carey, Virtue, Hamilton (giving him a new contract is one of the most baffling decisions I've ever seen).

Beesley.

Obviously the loans will return.

The remainder of players I do think could play a part with the correct setup and coaching - one thing that's been missing all season.

Big summer ahead for Sadler.

I'm not a fan of only looking at managers who have played for us in the past etc but regardless of whether Wellens did, or didn't, I think he has to be the standout choice. Would he take it? I think so.
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Giving Critchley a 4 year contract on the back of his time at Villa and taking QPR from Play Off candidates to just above relegation places was the most baffling!
 
Davepick said:
Hopefully we won't be relegated.
However, I see a massive clear-out at the end of the season.
That includes all the management team.
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We already have 50 points. We're not going down.

The manager isn't going anywhere, regardless of what anyone on here says.
 
I am not sure I undertand some of the logic on here. This group of players is actually very comfortable playing at the highest level of league 1, as has been shown by some of the outstanding results at home against top teams this season.

The problem is lack of intent or technical nouse, and inconsistency , particularly away. That has to be down to coaching and game plan. All this huge lists of players not good enough is nonsense. Are they all good enough, probably not, but lists of half the squad?? You're having a laugh, this isn't Football Manager game.
 
FLATBACKFOR said:
9 players need to go:-
Keeper
Connolly
Husband
Virtue
Lavery
Norburn
Beesley
Ekpiteta
Carey
This may sound drastic but after watching Peterborough its clear we need to improve our quality.
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I’d keep Ekpiteta and Hubby from that lot if it were up to me.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Don’t agree about Husband. Aside from the odd game he has been one of our best players this season. Connolly is poor.

We need a new first choice keeper imo. Midfield needs a complete rebuild with as you say with Carey and Virtue not up to it and Norburn slows the game down too much.

Beesley and Lavery are both struggling to score at this level and time to ditch them unfortunately. CJ may still have a role but not in a 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1 formation. Apter should have a big part to play.
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Beesley 22 games 9 goals this season.
 
I'd release Chapman, Connolly, Virtue, Carey, Lavery, Beesley and Holmes.
Lyons may be vulnerable if, heaven forbid, Critchley is still here.
I wouldn't mind seeing the back of Norburn and Hamilton but they're here to stay.
 
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