Shandypants
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If a successful one was found (and safe) for cv19 how much would you pay to get it?
I would gladly cough up 300 quid
I would gladly cough up 300 quid
Yes I think I'd probably pay that amount. Maybe even a bit more. Who knows a few hundred quid could save your lifeIf a successful one was found (and safe) for cv19 how much would you pay to get it?
I would gladly cough up 300 quid
A bit OTT that. Branding the forehead would suffice.If we ever get a working vaccine it should be mandatory. Those who refuse should be jailed, especially BFCx3.
A bit OTT that. Branding the forehead would suffice.
Selfish people riding on the backs of the sane amongst us whilst putting many innocents at risk.I wouldn’t have it if they were paying me!
Selfish people riding on the backs of the sane amongst us whilst putting many innocents at risk.
In Italy you cannot enrole your child in a school until all vaccinations have been completed - I'd be in favour of this sort of thing here.
Selfish?
What, like immunity compromised people who would force others to have a partially tested vaccine against their will for their own benefit?
I don’t have the Flu Vaccine, because I don’t need it..I won’t have the C19 vaccine, because I don’t need that either...
The available vaccines don’t appear to offer sterilising immunity in any case. So it will likely just offer alleviation of worst symptoms.
It won’t have been fully tested at all. Some issues take years to identify and so the vaccine can only be considered safe within the limitations of the testing regime.... It is clearly being rushed through and therefore compromises are being made.When it becomes available the vaccine will have been fully tested, and that is why we are not being given one of the vaccines now (which do work, if reports are to be believed). Every government in the world would love to get out of this situation but they cannot give potentially unsafe vaccines and that is why we are waiting until the normal process is finished.
By refusing to do the right thing you will be potentially harming other people in the community and potentially adding to the strain on the NHS. It doesn't matter if you 'don't need it', it's actually about transmission of the virus to other vulnerable people potentially by you. Given that this virus kills and maims refusing the vaccine is selfish behaviour by any meaningful standard.
A family member was a health visitor and saw first hand the effect of the MMR fiasco. Babies blinded and disfigured because selfish people in the community believed a nutjob like Wakefield above overwhelming scientific evidence.
Unless the comment immediately above is a wind up it is ludicrous beyond belief.I find it hard to believe that anyone with even an iota of intelligence could make such a ridiculous statement."This is nothing to do with MMR, it’s about a rushed vaccine for a virus that is largely harmless."
X3`s attitude to a safe Covid19 vaccine is irrational, illogical and irresponsible not only for himself but more importantly for all those around him and the community at large too.
Unless the comment immediately above is a wind up it is ludicrous beyond belief.I find it hard to believe that anyone with even an iota of intelligence could make such a ridiculous statement.
This isn’t about Polio and I have had the Polio vaccine.When I was a child polio was a horrible disease but then the Salk vaccine, which we all had when it became available, virtually eradicated that disease much to the relief of all.
I believe that unlike the premature claims that Putin is making for the Russian vaccine ,other vaccines including those in this country will be thoroughly tested before being made available to the general population just as required by the WHO in which case like the polio and other vaccines(MMR,smallpox etc.)it will be of massive benefit to the world`s population.
As for your comments about death rates they are so obviously ridiculous, inaccurate and irresponsible for the hundreds of thousands who have already died, many with health issues but far too many with none and anyway every life is precious.
The sooner we can find a vaccine that can protect the world from this horrible virus and enable the world to work and socialise safely the happier the whole world will be and those that don`t accept that and refuse to be vaccinated with a tried and tested vaccine are doing a grave disservice to us all.
Do I really need to point out to you that anyone who has contracted this virus can be lethal not only to themselves but by transmision to many innocent bystanders as well, so vaccines that show good evidence of effectiveness are surely a better option to pursue than the alternative of doing nothing to reduce the spread.Why are people who choose not to take a partially tested vaccine doing a grave disservice to anyone?
Do you really need to justify your ignorant and inaccurate comments?Do I really need to point out to you that anyone who has contracted this virus can be lethal not only to themselves but by transmision to many innocent bystanders as well, so vaccines that show good evidence of effectiveness are surely a better option to pursue than the alternative of doing nothing to reduce the spread.
There are some in this country who rightly or wrongly are at an age where they feel little threatened by this virus and seem to irresponsibly and selfishly care little if they happen to contract it and pass it on to those who are far more vulnerable.Perhaps you are one of those.
Do you really need to justify your ignorant and inaccurate comments?
Yes of course you do!!
Please explain how my choice to not be vaccinated for CV19 places people at risk if those people have chosen to be vaccinated.
*Because if you are infected not everyone else will be vaccinated especially initially and therefore you are more likely to spread it to others.
Please explain how my choice to accept the small percentage risk of lethality posed by COVID 19 is any different to a whole array of risks I face each day?
*It is simply about avoiding to take silly unnecessary risks of this sort or any where there is absolutely no reciprocal benefit in taking such risks.
As far as the current situation is concerned, I take my social responsibilities seriously and rarely interact with other people. I social distance and have no issue with continuing to do so.
*That is obviously a responsible and acceptable approach to take.
Vaccination is a completely different issue and the argument that other people’s health is affected by my choice in that regard is a complete red herring.
*No it clearly isn`t. People who are vaccinated will not only protect themselves but will not spread the disease to other innocent contacts.
Please explain how my choice to not be vaccinated for CV19 places people at risk if those people have chosen to be vaccinated.
If all the weaklings are vaccinated - how can BFC x3 pass it on to them?
Reality is people have a right to do within the law what they want.
I personally will take it, but I respect anyone’s choice not to.
Then again, I will not feel sorry for anyone who refuses who gets it and gets seriously ill or dies - it was their choice.
That said, the vaccine could do anything to us long term - we just don’t know!
You makes your choice and you takes your chance!!!
Welcome to life’s sh1t lottery!!!!
So not only is the vaccine not fully tested, it’s also not actually 100% effective anyway.
- Vaccines are not 100% effective and work best when they generate a herd immunity.
- There may be people who for whatever reason are not able to be vaccinated.
I believe you have the right to say no, but I feel it is a bit selfish and maybe irresponsible to others.
It’s a bit like the ‘me me me’ generation - it’s all about them and nobody else.
Not saying I am right - it’s just my opinion
I have no problem with vaccination per se Robbie... my kids are all fully vaccinated for the important stuff as am I.Interesting thread.
Biff : whether you take it or not is your business, ultimately.
However, having read your posts, it seems to be that you have a natural aversion to the concept of vaccination, and are trying to rationalise it - and failing quite badly. Your posts on this thread contain one assertion after another that you can't back up and one generalisation after another that clearly can't be proved.
What I don't see anywhere in your assertion of your rights is a consideration of your public health responsibilities. Do you feel you have any, in the current situation ? The fact that you talk about social distancing suggests you do, but I am very unclear on where you think the line is between what you should and shouldn't do for the benefit of others.
I wouldn’t cough if I were youIf a successful one was found (and safe) for cv19 how much would you pay to get it?
I would gladly cough up 300 quid
I have no problem with vaccination per se Robbie... my kids are all fully vaccinated for the important stuff as am I.
I’m not sure what the assertions are that I can’t back up, but everything I have said in regard to the COVID Vaccine is factual. In fact I’ve mostly asked questions of others in any case, so perhaps you might back up your assertion??
As far as my public health responsibilities are concerned, I see no evidence at all that my being vaccinated would make any difference to the effectiveness of a vaccine that does not deliver full immunity. So to that extent (at least based upon the vaccines available so far) there is no wider issue for consideration.
If a vaccine was made available that delivered full population immunity and / or after a vaccine has been in wide use for a much longer term with no ill effects, then I might revise my opinion.
"I’m guessing a decent proportion of these mask wearing vaccine suckers, have oversized bellies and struggle to get up and down the stairs at home, yet they seek to dictate what choices fit and healthy individuals should make.
A lifetime of burgers and booze cannot be vaccinated away chaps."
They seem like assertions to me. They might be reasonable, but I think you would have a job proving them. Or arguing that you aren't generalising.
I understand your misgivings about hastily produced vaccines. But I think you've chosen some specious arguments. Especially about my oversized belly.
That said, there’s a serious point I’m making here Robbie, which is that there are individuals on this thread calling out my stance and I very much doubt their own lifestyle choices would stand up to comparative scrutiny if put under the microscope...
I don’t think my reservations are unreasonable, especially when weighed up against the risk the virus poses to me at this time and the impact my decision has on others. My position on this is not cast in stone if further information emerges.
As for the belly situation, I suspect you’re in good company on here, given the widespread concern on this thread . Perhaps the compulsory implementation of gastric band treatments ( under the threat of imprisonment) for the AVFTT roly poly’s might focus you all on your Public Health responsibilities......