poolseasider
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See they where in the North Stand today with Blackpool scarves on taking selfies.
Saw the best half as they'd fucked off at half time.
Saw the best half as they'd fucked off at half time.
Wasn't you who gave him the ticket to suffer more pain was it.The Reform guy was canvassing in South Shore earlier today. Told them all to fuck off when they rang the bell. Good riddance.
Mark Butcher seems a decent guy, he runs the foodbank amazing grace on Bolton Street along with Pizza Grazie.See they where in the North Stand today with Blackpool scarves on taking selfies.
Saw the best half as they'd fucked off at half time.
Is he a Pool fan as it looked with him and Tice wearing new scarves a bit of PR stunt?Mark Butcher seems a decent guy, he runs the foodbank amazing grace on Bolton Street along with Pizza Grazie.
Probably not, maybe a casual.Is he a Pool fan as it looked with him and Tice wearing new scarves a bit of PR stunt?
Yet someone apparently told him to f off just for knocking on the door.Mark has probably done more for the poor people in Blackpool than every fucker on this site put together
He's a Blackpool lad who has done a sh!t loads of charity work in the town
No surprise to see the not so liberals having a pop though
I've no doubt in anything Mark/Amazing Graze has achieved, it's two streets over from where I live. I have donated myself to them in the past and I love what they are doing.Mark has probably done more for the poor people in Blackpool than every fucker on this site put together
He's a Blackpool lad who has done a sh!t loads of charity work in the town
No surprise to see the not so liberals having a pop though
Yes, that was me.Yet someone apparently told him to f off just for knocking on the door.
Says more about the person to me, doesn't cost anything to be polite to someone you may not agree with politically or tbh don't know anything about.
So let me get this right...you love his work, have donated to his charity, yet when he comes to the door you tell him to fuck off?I've no doubt in anything Mark/Amazing Graze has achieved, it's two streets over from where I live. I have donated myself to them in the past and I love what they are doing.
What is a shame to see his good name coopted by desperate racists, xenophobes and culture warriors. When Reform win fuck all in this by-election, they will drop him like a hot potato. I sincerely hope he doesn't get caught up too deeply in their bullshit.
Seems a bit immature to me.Yes, that was me.
When some right-wing boomer lunatics arrive, introduce themselves unannounced, I'd rather deal with the problem directly and honestly.
They have nothing to say to me, and I have nothing to say to them, so they can fuck directly off.
No, Mark didn't come to to my door, his canvassers did.So let me get this right...you love his work, have donated to his charity, yet when he comes to the door you tell him to fuck off?
Seems a sensible thing to do.
Is there any need for all the silly label nonesense.
As for them not doing anything at the election, no newer party really does under this voting system.
Seems a bit immature to me.
Some of the attitudes of the tolerant left in full view here sadly, yet people have the cheek to use harmful labels and paint normal people on the right as some kind of nutter for having any genuine concerns over a subject.
Mad.
Why the need for the racist comments?I've no doubt in anything Mark/Amazing Graze has achieved, it's two streets over from where I live. I have donated myself to them in the past and I love what they are doing.
What is a shame to see his good name coopted by desperate racists, xenophobes and culture warriors. When Reform win fuck all in this by-election, they will drop him like a hot potato. I sincerely hope he doesn't get caught up too deeply in their bullshit.
Again what makes you use those words, have you been reading the Guardian or something?No, Mark didn't come to to my door, his canvassers did.
As for your "tolerant left" comment, you have no idea about where my personal politics lie, seems like you made that part up.
For what it's worth, I'll state categorically: I am completely intolerant of rabble-rousing culture warrior racists who only seek to perpetuate their self-serving ideology of division and hatred. Reform are using a local hero for their own ends, which is painful to see as they have no real concern for my neighbours in Blackpool South.
If the opportunity comes up again I will tell them to fuck off again.
There's truth in that, the Tories and Labour offer nothing really which is an ideal environment for populist nonsense to thrive.Again what makes you use those words, have you been reading the Guardian or something?
Believe it or not millions of people are sick and tired of the mainstream political parties and Reform are using that to gain support, nothing wrong with that
Yep there really isn't much difference between the two main parties and I don't think for a minute that things will improve in anyway when Labour get inThere's truth in that, the Tories and Labour offer nothing really which is an ideal environment for populist nonsense to thrive.
Dangerous times.
yes but the answer is not the bloody reform partyThere's truth in that, the Tories and Labour offer nothing really which is an ideal environment for populist nonsense to thrive.
Dangerous times.
What prejudice are you taking about?wondered what the smell was. Another public school educated rich and entitled chancer trying to make capital out of poverty and division (and stirring up prejudice). Its this sort of mob brought us brexit, and we know how well that went dont we. so yes they can F**k right off
But it is for some, it's the same thinking that got Trump the White House, the two main parties offer nowt but think people will just blindly keep voting for one or the other.yes but the answer is not the bloody reform party
And lets be honest the only reason Labour will win is because people think they may be a little bit better than probably one of the weakest Tory governments in living historyBut it is for some, it's the same thinking that got Trump the White House, the two main parties offer nowt but think people will just blindly keep voting for one or the other.
You said the reform guy, Mark is the local reform guy who was with Tice today.No, Mark didn't come to to my door, his canvassers did.
As for your "tolerant left" comment, you have no idea about where my personal politics lie, seems like you made that part up.
For what it's worth, I'll state categorically: I am completely intolerant of rabble-rousing culture warrior racists who only seek to perpetuate their self-serving ideology of division and hatred. Reform are using a local hero for their own ends, which is painful to see as they have no real concern for my neighbours in Blackpool South.
If the opportunity comes up again I will tell them to fuck off again.
It didn't go as well because we haven't fully capitalised on it due to the Tories not believing in it largely and only doing it to get in power.wondered what the smell was. Another public school educated rich and entitled chancer trying to make capital out of poverty and division (and stirring up prejudice). Its this sort of mob brought us brexit, and we know how well that went dont we. so yes they can F**k right off
Mark Butcher seems a decent guy, he runs the foodbank amazing grace on Bolton Street along with Pizza Grazie.
It is on my list to go and try his pizza place and support that, as it's highly rated anyway.I don’t know much about politics but what I do know is, if Mark is involved it will be for the benefit of normal and genuine people, just like the Amazing Graze.
What he’s done and continues to do without any council support (cos he won’t dance to their tune and play their daft political games) is legendary stuff to be honest.
Get yourself there. It’s a world away from Rishi Sunak helping out at a soup kitchen and asking someone what they do for a living
He’s a full on character but he’s someone the man on the street can relate to because he’s got their best interests at heart.It is on my list to go and try his pizza place and support that, as it's highly rated anyway.
Yeah he seems a good egg, of course now people have to say he's been mislead because they couldn't possibly tolerate him having views in line with Reform.
There's truth in that, the Tories and Labour offer nothing really which is an ideal environment for populist nonsense to thrive.
Dangerous times.
There's also the status quo wanting to maintain the status quo, not the politicians but the actual establishment. I think we're yet to see a GE who's result is any different to what the Murdoch media wanted?Amen.
There's a real problem and it has been essentially brewing since the left abandoned economics and become mainly campaigners on social issues. There's nothing wrong with fighting for social justice on the basis of rights and tolerance - but the problem is that doesn't actually address the root cause of economic issues. The social justice fight will appeal greatly to people you might characterise as 'liberals' - i.e. in a stereotype form as moneyed people who believe in 'decency' - it's the idea of a fairer world by law rather than by redistribution and taxation essentially - they're therefore able to vote 'left' to express a value, but without any great impact financially.
It's essentially the notion that we're voiting for people to be 'nicer' or 'less nasty' - that ultimately results in a kind of polarised argument about the essence of people - we're not arguing about free markets vs social democracy or socialism vs capitalism or whatever - but 'niceness vs nastiness' and 'kindness vs meanness' and so on. The argument ceases to structural or intellectual, but basically about looser values.
If you abandon the economic sphere, you end up with a vacuum because essentially, economics are far more important than anything else if you're in multiple millions who are struggling for money to heat, eat and in dire need of social investment.
We are therefore in this horrible place where there's millions of people who look at the main parties and think 'neither of them give a fuck about the real world' and there's a really sad truth in that.
Both the unexpected 2017 popularity of Corbynism and the surprise Brexit vote speak to that. Neither Corbyn nor the Brexit campaign had particularly well argued messages (Corbyn was kind of quite well put together with a terrible front man and Brexit was full of holes but with a slick campaign) but they both promised 'change' and 'disruption of the status quo'
I feel like what we've forgotten about politics is the centre ground isn't a place that exists - it's a place that is formed from dynamic debate between contrasting viewpoints. It shifts according to circumstance. The centre in the 40s/50s was different to the 80s and so on. That change comes from actually working through the situation. What was the 'centre' shifted in about a week when Covid happened and forced some action. Can put a fag paper between Sunak and Starmer. They nick each other policies all the time. Reeves pledging to stick to Tory spending plans, Tories nabbing the non-dom thing and so on. When stuff is palpably not working for you then it doesn't make sense to vote for either person squabbling over who will middle manage the process of stasis the best. It's like voting for which boot you prefer on your face. If you're ok - i.e. I am 'ok' - I'm not rich but I can likely afford my food and my radiators regardless of the gov't then it's easy just to go 'oh, whatever, why are these thickies voting for madness' but if you're not ok, then voting for madness is actually more logical than voting for 'more of the same'
We've ended up with what feels like years and years and years of unimaginative policy and process aimed largely at 'keeping things basically as they are' (with a few obvious exceptions) and to be honest, I blame the pathetic state of the UK left for that as much as anything else. There's also the way the voting system encourages appeal to the key swing demographics - in the 90s it was 'middle england' - now, it's 'old people' (very broadly speaking) and it's really poor. That means places end up voting for people who take some form of interest because it's all very apparent that they're 'not a priority' for the main parties.
He used to be an independent.Sounds like he should be standing as an Independent. I wish there were more Independent candidates.
At least reform want to bring in PR, a fairer voting system that would mean far more voices are heard and votes actually mattered, if they are in a strong Labour or tories seat its basically meaningless, results wise, to go elsewhere.There's also the status quo wanting to maintain the status quo, not the politicians but the actual establishment. I think we're yet to see a GE who's result is any different to what the Murdoch media wanted?
But there's a void and someone is going to occupy it, history tells us that's usually not good...
There's also the status quo wanting to maintain the status quo, not the politicians but the actual establishment. I think we're yet to see a GE who's result is any different to what the Murdoch media wanted?
But there's a void and someone is going to occupy it, history tells us that's usually not good...
Same here, but it's just select echo chambers really.Aye. It's shit innit. I remember feeling quite optimistic years back that the 'internet' would create a new paradigm of decentralised media and thoughtful people reflecting on well constructed independent thought, whilst self educating using the infinite resources presented to them - that would lead in time to a new enlightenment and a whole set of new political ideas fit for the world of tomorrow.
How naive that was.
But they just want a purer version of the climate that's run the country in to the dirt for the past decade and a half and it's still founded on Blaiklock's detestable ramblings.At least reform want to bring in PR, a fairer voting system that would mean far more voices are heard and votes actually mattered, if they are in a strong Labour or tories seat its basically meaningless, results wise, to go elsewhere.
Same here, but it's just select echo chambers really.
...because you watched 'shoot the rich"...Ruddy bloody algorithms.
And because the Tories are evilAnd lets be honest the only reason Labour will win is because people think they may be a little bit better than probably one of the weakest Tory governments in living history
Like actually honoring some of the policies the Tories stood and got elected on, stopping the boats, ridiculous levels of immigration etc.But they just want a purer version of the climate that's run the country in to the dirt for the past decade and a half and it's still founded on Blaiklock's detestable ramblings.
...because you watched 'shoot the rich"...
Who says they have no interest, he's not stupid, he's read the contract aka manifesto and agrees with it.Butcher has fonecwell with social enterprise-amazing Grace and does campaign for the homeless.
He tries to help those most in need .
I think politically nieve for why would somebody campaigning for the most impoverished and marginalised groups in our community hitch there wagon to very right wing populists who have no interest in the people Mark advocates for ??
'Jennifer Lawrence restores an Austin A35'Wait till AI really gets going. My timeline is going to be purely 'Gary Madine explores abandoned soviet buildings'
'Jennifer Lawrence restores an Austin A35'
savings made from not housing silly levels of illegals etc.